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NFL eyeing proposal to abolish extra points
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=280812)
And here's my post suggesting it, made on October 28th.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...a#post10135913 I'm not bragging, I'm just proud to be part of the Hunt consulting team. |
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Ok, fine. I offer a way to give it more meaning. You complain that it might give it too much meaning. Who's wife are you?... |
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Just automatically award FG's less then 30 yards. Those are rarely missed also.
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Sure it's pretty pointless, but I've never heard of anyone complaining about it. Just leave it alone. Gives me more time to refill my drunk or take a leak.
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Are we ****ing serious here?
This rule would be so stupid in so many ways. It doesn't matter if the XP is pretty automatic. What's more important is that every time you kick an XP, you make a decision not to go for 2. I like the fact that teams have the option of laying up and getting a safe one point. Especially late in games. |
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I don't think it adds to the "action" or "excitement." I think it makes us more like ****ing Canadian football... |
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Would you guys be in favor of this trickling down to the college and even high school levels?
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That Seattle/49'er game was HORRID. There were three plays there that could have changed the game. You know, improve the current product before we worry about changing it... |
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Meh. You gotta pay the kicker for something, right, I mean, the kicker has to contribute something to the friggen bottom line, right? So those extra points are important. Here's what I'd do--if a team wants to not kick the extra point, but wants to "go for it" why not make it for 3 points? So, if a team scores a traditional TD for 6 points, but instead of kicking the traditional extra point, they decide to go for more points, get rid of the 2 points and have it be for 3 points. So a TD and going for it will net a team 9 points. While a TD and a traditional extra point will still net 7 points. This way the kicker is still getting paid to make the extra point, which is the vast majority of how they contribute to scoring, but going for it, instead of kicking the extra point will really be more enticing as it's an additional 3 points, or the same thing as kicking a field goal. |
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That's what you're trying to protect. |
I think the only argument in favor of the extra point is "Well, this is how we've always done it."
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(I know. I just couldn't resist.) |
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Fact is, kickers are the highest scoring players in the overall history of the NFL and most of it is because of the extra points...
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for me, the extra point is like the cherry on top of the TD, it's kindof like, "it's a TD and here's the icing on the cake"
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Maybe they should follow the lead of cricket and a team can keep taking extra points as long as they make it. If people like the extra point play, this would give us about 500 of them per game.
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I do like the idea of making the extra point mean something by pushing it out to the 35 yard line or so. If you combine that with having a 3 point conversion instead of a 2 point conversion (when teams want to "go for it") then maybe that would "make it more exciting"?
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I'm in... Move it back to a challenging spot or just take it away... It's literally a waste of time in the NFL...
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If you make a two-point play suddenly worth three points, and you move the 1-point play out, the expected values will end up something like .96 points for the 1-point play and 1.5 points for the 3-point play. Teams would never go for the 1-point play other than rare situations. |
I think I'd prefer to the kicking team lose a player, maybe two for that play. Make it 9-on-11 if they line-up for a kick and you might see more blocked kicks (making it more exciting), and you'd not have to move the ball back to make it a harder attempt.
If they line up for a regular play, then you get all 11 players (and none can be a kicker). If 11 players can fake a real play and turn it into a kick, well that's fine and good luck. |
Another option would be to have the cheerleaders run the extra point play against each other. That would be entertaining. Or maybe the coaching staff.
Or - OH! FANS! You pull fans wearing jerseys out of the stands, randomly assign them positions, and they run the extra point play. How exciting would that be? |
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If a player scores, he turns and runs back in the opposite direction. If he reaches the 20, it's one point. If he reaches the 50, it's two points. If he reaches the other end zone it's three points and he turns back around to try again. The play keeps going until he's tackled.
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Since a sack occurs on 10% of all passes, an automatic 10 yard loss will be called on every 10th pass play, and all pass rushing will be banned...
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Since running plays average 3.9 yards per attempt...
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I've heard the arguments. I acknowledge it's a worthless play.
I still vote no. |
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The extra point is like an appendix. It is a remnant from a different historical period, when football was not the same game that we know today. It serves no purpose anymore. If the extra point did not already exist, there would not be single person arguing in its favor. Presumably the people who want to keep it around are the types that a century ago would have been arguing against the legalization of the forward pass. |
How about this?
No two-point plays, and the extra point kick must be attempted from the spot in the end zone where the touchdown was scored. Catch a nice fade in the back corner? Let's see if your kicker can bend it like Beckham. |
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Stop changing the game, unless we're changing it back to the near perfect game it was in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
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I like to waste 30 mins a game on worthless plays also. :shake: |
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It's funny, at first I thought this idea had some merit. However, I was surprised there were even 5 misses last year. That almost makes me want to keep it. That's one game every 3 weeks affected by a missed XP. These guys are professionals, if you can't execute that play you almost deserve to be punished.
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Make the player that scored the touchdown kick the extra point
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So here is the extra point rule:
After a touchdown, the scoring team is allowed a try during one scrimmage down. The ball may be spotted anywhere between the inbounds lines, two or more yards from the goal line. The successful conversion counts one point by kick; two points for a successful conversion by touchdown; or one point for a safety. The defensive team never can score on a try. As soon as defense gets possession or the kick is blocked or a touchdown is not scored, the try is over. Any distance penalty for fouls committed by the defense that prevent the try from being attempted can be enforced on the succeeding try or succeeding kickoff. Any foul committed on a successful try will result in a distance penalty being assessed on the ensuing kickoff. Only the fumbling player can recover and advance a fumble during a try. So based on all of this how does the offense score a safety? Sorry had a root canal today and still kinda foggy. |
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The only scenario in which a one-point safety could be scored in NFL play would involve the defense kicking or batting a loose ball out the back of the end zone without taking possession of the ball. |
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I know I'm probably in the minority, and probably just speaking from my bias, but I hate the extra point. It's just an extra, unnecessary play IMO.
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Is there any thought given to moving the two point conversion closer? Maybe put it at the 1 or 1.5 yard mark while also putting the kick attempt out farther? Some combination could be figured out that makes both plays worth watching but still provides greater risk with the one worth twice the other.
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Thr extra point "try" in its current format is useless.
Need to make it much more challenging, however, increasing the distance substantially will eliminate the fake option. How about ball must hit the crossbar (any of the three) for 1 point, 2 points rules stay the same? |
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put the goal post on a golf cart and drive it back and forth like the old QB Skills competition in the Pro Bowl.
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Eliminating the extra point attempt, and extending the season into the playoffs while contradicting the notion of player safety? Man, Goodell really loves this games integrity.
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Wouldn't it be cool to see linemen pushing a sled that was rigged like a tractor pull?
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I could see us losing a playoff game due to a missed extra point. So get rid of them
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The NBA will soon switch its rules and just award a team points when a player is fouled instead of having them shoot free throws,
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