I remember a kid that played for Shawnee Mission East. He wore black converse high tops. This is when everyone wore white shoes. Creatively, we would chant "we want black shoes, we want black shoes." Thankfully, he did not come into the stands and confront us. This was the extent of our bad fan behavior. Yes, I am old.

Yep. Absolutely this.

This asshole fan is notorious for saying shit to players and one finally pushed him back.

I'm not going to throw the book at a 20 year old college kid and just let the behavior of a 50 some year old slide.

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And with that, Hamas declares US laws nullified.

One of my best buddies here in Norman is black. Name is patrick. He calls big dirty white money making change for the poor folks. And I call him p diddy sugar snack. Onw.of the greatest people you would ever meet.

Even he say marcus smart was stupid and offensive to his race regardless of what was said.

Said there is a a difference between a black person and a n word. Also there is a difference between a white person and a white trash cracka.

We just hung up fron discussing it.

Assholes like this definitely shouldn't have the right to say whatever the hell they want to these athletes (and I think we've all heard some really ugly shit at college games over the years).

If college basketball mattered before the tournament I might give a ****.

So you just pretend to be a racist on here?

I don't give a shit if you had 100 black friends.

Oh, the old "I have black friends" excuse. Yep, totally negates the racist comment you just made on here.

Exactly. You've realized it over time or was raised well to realize it, but that just doesn't happen as often as we'd like in the black communities because it's acceptable, encouraged, and easy to be ignorant. That's all. I wish it would change, but we'll see.

Yes there is.

I don't ****ing understand why people think athletes should just take shit just because they're athletes. Why?

This.

Promoting violence because people would applaud you for it has led to chaos. Stick to jacking off and let the competent people think for you.

I really liked your willfull ignorance comment. I agree wholeheartedly. We act like teenagers aren't smart enough or wise enough to make some of the decisions they do, but I don't buy it. Some maybe, but not nearly the amount we give a pass too.

Let's just surround the court with chicken wire ala "Bob's Country Bunker" in the Blues Brothers.

In this country you don't get to become violent with people over the words they say. No matter what words they are. That's why it's not remotely okay for Smart to react the way he did. I'm certainly not justifying it, but write your congressman to have the laws changed.

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Well, Smart didn't really go in the stands he ended up there trying to block the Tech kids layup/dunk attempt. After the whole thing the old fart was laughing it up.

Did he admit to calling him a ni****?

Worse. Said he played like a guy from Wichita.

I don't think he has said what he said.

He denies it.

Thanks. Yeah and I also agree with this. I firmly believe a lot of young black people are deep thinkers and all this but their peers or parents even might not appreciate it and therefore would stifle their ability to develop. Now maybe Smart wasn't going to do anything but perhaps he thought if I don't do anything my teammates would tease me or something. Because at his age he is still being influenced by his peers. If he did it because he can't control himself then oh well but regardless he must accept the consequences of his own actions.

Doesn't matter what he said


Words don't = physical reaction when it comes to a fan/athlete situation

Bullshit.

How would you feel if your dad was killed in a terrorist attack and your rival's fans chanted "PLO" at you, like Steve Kerr?

Yup.

Neg rep me again, Prison Bitch.

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as to the OP. People are so protected by the internet, laws, that they feel too entitled to say whatever the hell they want.

Clearly, Marcus Smart heard something that set him off in the wrong direction.

He clearly though, while his reaction wasn't wrong I don't believe, I have fought people over less, (lost a lot of those fights too) he will have to deal with that from every opposing city that he plays in, when in the NBA.

People will say whatever they think will get under your skin.

It is heinous. It happens every where.

I have seen Bears fans kids talked down to by drunken adults at packer games. Heard their mother called whores, and other ungodly names.

So, he is going to have to understand that any time a fan gets a reaction out of a player, like that slutbag up above, the person getting the attention, being shown again and again on espn, just got 15 minutes of fame because of them.

That's sickening.

You reinforce the actions in which you acknowledge.


This is basic human psychology, guys. If you think it would be better for an athlete to attack a fans because they are being assholes you are crazy. It will only get worse.

In theory your argument is sound, but if you look at fan-athlete interactions it's pretty obvious that fans are allowed to do essentially anything because there is no penalty associated with their behavior.

I look at it this way:

I have no problem with Ron Artest going into the stands to beat the **** out of some guy who pelted him with a Diet Coke. I have a problem with him going into the stands without knowing who exactly threw it.

If someone is close enough to violate your personal space and you can see them do it, then I have little issue with retaliation.

I've used this line before, "Try to change the laws if you don't like them", but when you're dealing with idiots it doesn't matter. Some folks are simply governed by their emotions, so to them, the idea of attacking a fan actually makes sense in their warped minds.

Grown men feel like they can get away with saying anything at a sporting event. Kind of like a mouthy woman. I'd be fine with it if Smart put this loser in the hospital.

No no no. If some idiot drunk fan says something actually offensive, it totally justifies a brawl in the stands where bystanders could get hurt. If some douche called the whole Detroit Pistons a bunch of spooks, they all immediately have the right to go into the stands because that should not be tolerated. Nevermind being a professional and ignoring it.

This logic requires an assumption that the laws are infallible regardless of circumstance.

Yeah you don't because you aren't the one doing it and having the consequences come down on your head. You can go about your business and clap about it but you won't go visit the person in jail or bail him out or when he gets expelled you won't offer him a 9-5 salary type job or let him live with you and work his way through college. It's stupid crap like this that has made this country run off the passion of idiocy.

Idiocy.

All of which assumes that there is never a justifiable excuse for physical retaliation.

Here in lies the problem.

About a month ago, on a Saturday, my neighbor asked me if I wanted to go to the YMCA to throw the football around, and then to shoot some hoops.

I said okay, we went, and some of his buddies showed up, and we are playing a 3 on 3 game on one of the main hoops.

All these little kids are in there, and I politely asked this kid who was about 9, or 10 if he would mind staying off our court because we were playing a game and we wouldn't want to run over him. He rolled his eyes into the back of his head like the excorcist, made some reeruned face like he had just sucked down an entire batch of lemons, and proceeded to tell me to **** myself, that it was open gym, and he would go where he wanted, when he wanted.

That is the problem with the country today.

Im 34 years old. When I was that age, had I spoken to a GROWN man like that, not only would that grown man probably of beaten my ass, my mother would of doubled whatever I got from that guy, and probably thanked the guy for beating my ass.

its call respect, and now days people, have NONE of it.

A few more ass whippings would go a long way towards stopping some of the bullshit. If people had to be held accountable for what came out of their mouths, maybe we wouldn't have to rely so much on a 19 year old kid, going after a 50+ YEAR OLD MAN.

So are you. Look at you avatar. Speaks volumes about the person you are.

All you have to do Hamas is consider the troll you are responding to.

He is clueless. He doesn't get it.

How could he?

on the court you ignore it

it's a different situation, you are part of a team and in a public event

If someone comes up to you on the street and says something, then it's only you that has to worry about the repercussions.

I imagine Smart will be suspended for the next game.

Congrats you idiot, you let the racist dude in the crowd have a chance to cost your team 2 games. Racist guy wins, you lose.

You need to check out 3:43 of this interview. Stephen Jackson talks about the aftermath right after the fight.

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I laughed so hard it hurt.

No, the warped mind is the person who assumes that it is the ATHLETES responsibility to just tune out everything. Remember, this is a TRUE SOPHMORE IN COLLEGE. He is 19 years old. The finger is definitely being pointed in the WRONG direction. This guy was 50 YEARS OLD. And, according to John Lucas the third, this guy has ALWAYS been this way, as he said similar stuff to him when he went to OSU.

So, at what point does a KID not get blamed, and maybe the ADULTS held responsible?

He is a student athlete. He is NOT a professional athlete. this is a KID.

That's a GROWN ASS MAN, who comes to watch kids play, and then goes all juvenile because he expects nothing to happen to him.

That's horse shit.

Sadly this is true. Although, I don't agree with calling Marcus Smart an idiot.

Marcus Smart is not even 20 years old. A lot of 20 year olds don't have the mental capacity to tune out that kind of garbage. While your sentiment is right.

Hopefully, at the very least, that douche bag wont be allowed to attend anymore games. But with Smarts luck, that guy probably is a huge booster.

And once the dude chucks a soda at you, he has brought down that barrier between court and stands. Similarly, so did said idiot when he got in Smart's face. At that point, there is no separation.

In most cases there isn't. Certainly not for words said. And don't use extreme cases because it only hurts your argument. And figures you have no counter argument to what I said because you know I'm right.

The ambassador of the pussification of mankind, right here folks.

Move to Canada you ****ing pussy.

Sports are not about the fans -it's about the players. The fat **** rolled the dice running his mouth and is lucky Smart didn't try to give him some periodontal rearrangement.

True ... impulsive or immature would be more accurate

Bottom line it doesn't really matter what is fair, Smart might have just cost his team 2 more loses and really hurt their chances to make the tourney. Nothing else counts.

You suck it up and ignore it for your team

There was an entire thread made about it and yes there are morons on here that think thug is being used in place of ****er.

I don't think it's cool for an adult to whoop a 9 year olds ass at the YMCA over that. There's other ways to handle it. I agree about the respect thing now days though.

Agreed. I'm glad this thread brought out good discussion on this.

I think the majority of fan behavior is fine. Some pretty tough hecklers, but it's part of the game. But you hear stories about fans throwing racial slurs at players, making fun of their dead relatives, all kinds of shit that nobody would ever, ever, ever get away with in any public space. And the problem is, nobody is held accountable for it. For these kinds of things, there should be more of a "no tolerance" policy. The problem is, we built into a system where fans are afraid to snitch and teams don't want to scare away guys who contribute a lot of money.

I love this example because at least the fan will be held accountable. Finally. Everybody knows this guy's name and what he did. That's the way it should be. Now for the other 99% of cases where the fan gets away with it...

I think Smart is the lucky one. He'd be flipping burgers and still might be depending on what happens. Which honestly isn't a bad job anymore. Working at McDonalds is a great opportunity nowadays.

I completely agree. I am just of the opinion that there is equal blame. I just cant justify telling a kid, that he should be big enough to overcome that kind of thing, his team was trailing, he just made a hell of a play, hes a highly emotional kid as it is.

Was it the smartest thing? Of course not. But, you are on point.

I hope for this kid, and I LIKE MARCUS SMART, its a lesson that he uses going forward. I really hope that for him. From everything I have read, they say that he is an extremely intelligent articulate polite kid. I hope going forward, he learns to check his emotions.

I had a hard time with that when I was in competition too. I would use any insult or slight as motivation.

Believe it or not the nba used to do this in the 50's and 60's.

I still say players should refrain from attacking anyone in the stands. If a fan yells a racial slur at a player, you'd hope someone else in the stands would help get the guy removed.

Is every one simply taking Smart at his word that Orr called him the N-word? I'm wondering if you take that word away, what everyone would consider justifiable language for Smart to shove a fan. If the guy called him a flopping bitch, is that still grounds for shoving a fan?

I didn't whip his ass. My point though, was when I was 9 years old, I knew out of respect not to mouth off to a guy 3 times my age. Especially when that said adult didn't scream at me, and actually asked me politely.

That was the premise. I wouldn't of whooped his ass. Although, bending him over my knee did cross my mind.

The only thing that should matter in sports is the pure competition between opponents. The fact that people like to observe is immaterial to the proceedings.

Lol. Yeah some little bastards today need way better parenting that's for sure.

I heard that the radio guy for OSU heard Smart tell his coaches that is what he was called.

Most people now a days hear the word bitch so much, that it doesn't even faze them. Im sure that's not the first time he has heard the word bitch, on the basketball court.

And the way his head flipped around if you watch the replay, it was something so distinct and disturbing that he immediately reacted.

I would take him at his word on that account.

true ... what if the guy said 'Even your mom thinks you suck!!'

Would that change anything?


Is it just the racial stuff that means anything goes?

That's fine in a world where things don't have to show a profit.

yes.

Was just a bar shove anyway.

That was my thought process.

My initial thought was "if I ever catch my son talking to another adult this way, he wont be able to sit for a week."

That's where I went with it.

Its just not right.

got it

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Marcus Smart plays angry. This isn't surprising at all.

My Aunt and Uncle are big OSU boosters, and they've acknowledged that the way he, Cobbins, Brown, and Clark consistently act and play has been embarrassing to the university. They don't like it - haven't dating back to last year. Their only defense is "You can't blame the whole team\school for the actions of a couple of bad apples"... Then I point out that those 4 were half of the active players. That's more than a few bad apples... that's a trend.

When I lived in Chicago, I would sometimes be a couple days to a week late on my rent, especially if I had been travelling out of town. My landlord would send two Thug Greek guys to collect at my door. They would wait until I could find my checkbook.

Thug is a term without color. It's who a person is, not what a person's skin looks like.

The fallacy with your argument is you don't consider te logical outcome of Smart retaliating. He would get beaten (if not worse) instantly by a mob of people if he'd had attacked the guy. I doubt you or Hamas considered what's likely to occur.

In today's America it does.

I don't think his intention was to beat the guy. Most people who have that intention, usually don't start with a shove. Now, of course, my reaction would be a little different if he went in there throwing blows. He didn't he shoved the guy, and really didn't fight with his teammates who were pulling him away.

lets keep some perspective on it.

I wish he'd have knocked that fat old **** right the **** out.

So, this is the conference realignment thread of the Smart discussion...


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Just seems odd that nobody else has come forward to corroborate Smart's accusation. There were people all around and when Smart reacted he wasn't right next to the guy. It just seems to me that a 19 year old kid who just realized he did something embarrassing would have a pretty big incentive to exaggerate the situation in an attempt to save a little face.

If I recall it started with Sherman from the Seahawks stating people calling him a thug was just them calling him a ****er or something to that effect. Couldn't it be just someone mislabeling another. Like when someone calls someone else an asshole when they cut them off in traffic. I am guessing a lot of times they are probably pretty nice people. Just did something stupid while driving. God knows I have.

Call me a pacifist, but for me, on a broader level, I don't think people should be able to attack others solely on the basis of insults (even awful racist ones). Sets a horrible precedent to follow. There has to be some limit in response there. But does that doesn't mean Smart and others should have to just sit there and take this kind of abuse from fans either. There also needs to be some accountability in these situations.

Smart will get suspended (and perhaps rightfully so), but I don't look down on him in the slightest for what he did. It looks like this guy deserved what he got and is lucky it wasn't more.

This isn't cool. It's the very same thing as just saying it. Please don't do it again.

I realize one of your best friends is black and that's great but it's not acceptable here. The only redeeming thing that has come from it is a civil discussion so hopefully people will excuse the slur and learn something from the discussion as they read through this thread.

I agree. It's been a pretty reasonable discussion. I appreciate the mods not intervening...........

Well these are Texas Tech fans. Some of the worst people on earth.

Being around Smart's age, I understand someone losing their cool, and doing something they later regret. I'm not black, but if I were, I imagine I probably would react somewhat similar if my adrenaline was already pumping and someone threw out a racial slur.

That being said, what he did was wrong. The end.