How the h*** did we lose a 28 point lead? HOW? HOW?


Sorry. That just slips out sometimes when we talk about football.

This makes no sense. Schwartz can also play right tackle and will be needed for the often injured Fisher.

I really like the job Schwartz did.

But right now, we have Allen, Hudson, Rokevius Watkins... and they can all do an adequate job at a position that's not that important. Kush can start at Center, and Allen and Hudson can be plug-ins for Kush later.

Plus we have the draft and undrafted rookies.

I would like to keep Schwartz, but I don't want to overpay a guy to play Guard.

There was a huge difference in the offense when Schwartz became the starter. Asamoah just doesn't have the skillz...

Stop being reasonable dammit...

If we let Albert and Schwartz walk what's the average age of our offensive line going to be?

you always predict something bad happening


'it sucks or will suck soon'/mcaj


big ****ing deal

around 24

all of them will be 23,24 or 25 years old

It isn't a big deal, but people on here are very defensive when it comes to their delusional thinking of the Chiefs. Case and point, we can keep Geoff Schwartz cheap. Then reality hits and panic mode starts, i.e. this thread. I've accepted it long ago that our line will be fine with other/better players.

He writes for SI covering the senior bowl and combine.

Heh. Mcaj really is one of the most depressing reads on the site..

We had to have guessed that Schwartz would draw some interest, though. He supplanted a starter on the line of one of the better offenses in the league last season. When he officially took the RG spot our pass blocking and run blocking efficiency went through the roof.

Then you have to take a look at the offensive line situation of a lot of teams around the league. The Dolphins, Cardinals and Steelers are a few that are even just decent line play away from being playoff teams and possibly powerhouses.

stay depressed then when the team does something good it feels a lot better.

just wait until that first playoff win comes, going to be a good day.

We're losing Schwartz...big ****ing deal. We can upgrade that.

I'm not hating, man. At least you're not a troll like Clay.

Also, we have to have had one of the worst records in the league since 2000 so I guess there really hasn't been much positive to talk about lately.

One thing I will say about you is that you seem to have a lot of knowledge of other teams and their players. It seems a lot of people here just watch the Chiefs games and then turn the TV off. I can't talk football with those guys.

schwartz isn't gone yet and even if he is we already have possible replacements

people always bitch that good teams just patch together their Olines ..... well?

Maybe in 20 ****ing years

This surprises no one.

Hey Red, I don't know if you're on twitter or not but @goeffschwartz is a great follow among CHIEFS players.

Don't believe this. He'll be back.

I really hope he stays. Good guy, good player. No good reason to let him walk.

My elbow itches.

LMAO

I swear to god you guys are the MVPs of this forum.

Ha. Very appropriate gif.

It could be an effort from his camp to raise the Chiefs' current offer to him. Flip side to that is, if we don't make that offer, he could very well just go to a team who will pay him what he thinks he's worth.

He has a brother in Cleveland. They are going to play side by side.

Just trying to play the voice of reason here. Even though it would piss me off if we lose GS to a reasonable FA deal, John Dorsey DOES NOT SLEEP.

He is a mutant. A half machine half created human with no need for food or sleep.

He is constantly watching tape and interviewing players.

I bet he is doing one of the 2 right now.

Last offseason, he went out and found a bunch of talented players at the vet min or bargain basement prices that played big roles for us.

Schwartz
Abdullah
Jordan
Demps (great signing as just a returner, not so much as a safety)
Avery

Just to name a few.

He also got other players like Marcus Cooper and Tyler Bray with no investment.

He found a "Geoff Scwartz" before and he will find one again...but I also doubt the validity of this report because I highly doubt that any decision to let him go has been made at this point.

I would like to know why one game is enough of a sample size to make an evaluation on a professional football player.

This, "X played awesome against SD, therefore X is awesome," is just flat out idiotic.

Somewhere Matt Flynn is giving you the middle finger.

No.

I don't think anyone is saying that. Between Allen, Hudson, and Watkins, we have options at a position that isn't really that important. I'd like to sign Schwartz, but not for too much and life will go on without him.

It has been said literally thousands of times in the last two months, and several times in this thread.

Not sure who is saying any of these guys are awesome, but there were a handful of players that went out there and showed they belonged on the field that day against a team that was already in playoff mode.

Kush
Watkins
Powe
Catapano
Bailey

I'm excited to see the future of those guys because of that.

If two or three of them become average starting quality players, that's a fairly big deal. It's a good sign when younger guys play well at the end of the year.

It's an incredibly limited sample size. It just doesn't mean that much.

It has been said like a mother****er about Watkins and Kush.

People have been drinking the shit out of the Kool-Aid thinking we'll somehow get better by dropping a premier LT and a RG that proved to be our second best lineman by season's end- at the same time expecting a 5th and 6th round center and guard to somehow stabilize the positions..

And at the same time shouldn't be easily discarded.

All some of us are saying about that group is that they showed the ability to play and warrants consideration for increased playing time in the future to see if they can continue to develop while playing a larger role.

I'm of the opinion that Bailey, Powe and Catapano could have helped our starting line stay fresh all year and tat Bob Sutton needs to rotate some of these guys so we get don't burn everyone out next year.

All three showed the ability to disrupt plays.

Yeah, pretty much sums it up... another brick in the wall, gone.

This. It seems like every direckshuns post lately is him overreacting to something.

Direck isn't overreacting.

Lets breakdown the stupidity of letting Schwartz go.

First of all the offense made drastic improvements once Schwartz was inserted at guard. Its no coincidence that the teams highest scoring outputs were the games Fisher didnt play.

So now they are going to let their 2 best linemen go with a qb who's had injuries in the past and will presumably draft their replacements. Lets keep in mind this is the same failed strategy that got Andy fired and its not like Green Bay picked any o-linemen worth a shit in the first round either.

Schwartz has always been a productive player everywhere he's been. Not resigning him with 12 mil in capspace is ****ing stupid.

Andy Reid was the guy who drafted a 28 year old guard in the first round and a backup right tackle first overall so he has no problem wasting first round picks.

EXCELLENT post.

He's over dramatic because we haven't even begun to resign our players yet. Look at last year.. We signed two key players and franchised Albert at the deadline. Between this and the constant worrying about cap space, it's a little ridiculous. Just let it all play out

Yeah, Heaven forbid we have some football discussion on a football message board...

EVERYBODY SHUT UP.

Just let things play out. We're gonna shut down Chiefsplanet until after the draft.

After the draft? That's not good enough for some people. LMAO

They were able to sign Bowe at the deadline which allowed them to tag Albert but hindsight that Bowe contract was awful and they would have gotten a much needed comp pick in this draft.

Its a different situation this year. People have the right to be upset until a deal gets worked out and if it doesn't we all should be pissed and question what the regime is doing.

comp picks are more often than not worthless.

I don't understand why people always go OMG COMP PICK when a team wants to let a productive player walk.

It's football..... We are fans.... Let the discussions fire up!

Especially when next year's draft is going to be absolute dog**** compared to what can be had this year.

Well, they're always at the ass-end of a round so if you get a 4 its really like getting a 5.

Honestly I doubt we could get even a 3rd for Albert. There's no point tagging him and he'll walk.

And people need to quit acting like each player lost = draft picks.

That's not how it works. There's some unknown formula that uses starters lost + players signed + value of players lost/signed to = a high pick (I think topping out at a 4th) or more than one lower round pick.

That's why I wish we would have ignored the value chart and pushed for a trade down.

Lets say we let ourselves get low balled. For the sake of argument let's say we swapped the no 1 for the no 24 and all we got in return was a no 2 last year and no 2 this year.

I would have taken that in a heartbeat. That would offset the Smith trade and give us a no 2 this year in a deep draft...

To be honest, I would be completely fine with giving up our 1st pick next year for a low 2nd this year. I fully expect us to make the play-offs again.

A 2nd this year will be better than having a late 1st next year, that's how deep this draft is.

I don't see how we finish better than 9-7 after playing 8 playoff teams...

I don't think we'll pick after 16 next year...

I forgot who said it, may have been Mayock, but they said that there were at least 45 players in this year's draft who he would give a 1st round grade to. Think about that and also consider the fact that there was a record number of underclassmen who came out this year, meaning that the senior class next year has been sapped of a lot of talent.

Doesn't have to but I'm sure this year will be much better than next year.

I still wouldn't trade the future for this draft. If anything we needed to trade down last year to build for the future...

The thing is, this draft is the future and looks better than next year. You're going to be able to find players in this year's draft class from rounds 1 to 2 who will be better than those available next year in round 1 alone.

Players in round 3-4 of this draft class could possibly be better than those in round 2 of next years.

Essentially, the top 100 of this current draft class could be valued as highly as the top 50 next year. They weren't joking when they said this is the best draft class in over a decade.

If he's not here next year, i'ts because KC didn't want to keep him. I don't really know why that would be the case.

He's our best interior linemen. Our interior line really needs work, so I'd much rather he not be let go. Allen, Hudson, and Asomoah have all been pretty big disappointments.

I think people are saying it's not even close to a doomsday scenario. Kash gets brought up because Hudson isn't good. It's not like the bar is that high. Same with Watkins. And these two play positions that we've said over and over and over again carry extremely low positional value.

If you truly believe in the draft, nobody should be freaking out about giving two low draft picks a shot or continuing to try to plug away with lower round draft picks or scrap heap guys. These are interior linemen, folks. Not elite pass rushers or quarterbacks.

For anyone current on the rules, will we get a compensatory draft pick if Schwartz signs elsewhere?

It all depends on the contract he gets, his playing time and the FAs that we sign.

:spock: Last year was the 2nd year in his career that he started more than 3 games.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him back, but let's not make him out to be something he's not.

The guy has started 26 games in the 6 years he's been in the league. In the one year he did start all 16 games, he gave up 6 sacks. Why are we acting like if we lose him he's irreplaceable?

Suck for Luck

we also changed back to ZBS

Fisher also came back in to play and the offense kept playing well

we also continued to play well without Albert at all

everyone here wants to keep Schwartz but it doesn't mean that we should overpay to get him to stay.

Yeah, I thought re-signing Schwartz would be a priority for the new regime, but hell, he didn't even play until there were injuries. I'm not going to panic if Reid and Dorsey don't think he's a key guy.

My thing about keeping him is so we stop this rotating door of offensive line bodies. For once I'd like to see us keep the same starting offensive line from one year to the next. I'd also like to see all the guys not be rookies or broke dick veterans.

I'm also sick and ****ing tired of pissing away draft picks on the offensive line.

The offensive line is one area where I hope we spend money to keep guys together and build it up to be a strong unit. If Schwartz goes and Asamoah goes (who wasn't all that valuable anyway) we've got Rishaw ****ing Johnson on the roster who would take the starting spot.

We could go out and get a free agent guy, but why spend money on him but not Schwartz, who has already played for us and is familiar with the team?

People always bitch about the lack of chemistry on the offensive line, and they seem to be shocked every year that they don't play well. Yet in the offseason there's all this championing for replacing dudes as much as possible and not spending money on (what they claim to be important) positions like LT.

He does post game interviews!

completely agree. Overpaying is what got the chiefs saddled with contracts like Bowe and Flowers, and to a lesser extent Hali (whose contract was backloaded).

Teams that are consistently successful are those that develop talent and not overpay in free agency.

Kind of hard to do that when just beginning Year 2 of that plan.

And I'm not even defending Scott Pioli, but what in the blue **** was HE supposed to do when Charles, Flowers, DJ, and Hali had their contracts up? Those guys WERE the team at the time, and the Chiefs were still young and relatively talent-depleted from the franchise-reset back in 2007. 2008 was a great draft, 2009 sucked, and he had ONE rookie class coming in. Pioli basically had the option of re-signing everybody or starting over again with more 2-14 shit. As it turns out that's what he did anyway, but that's beside the point.

It's cool and awesome to say, "Draft and develop your own guys and don't overpay in free agency" but it's a lot more complicated than that. What you see good teams do IN ADDITION to seemingly constantly having a supply of backups that come in at a moment's notice and play like the starters never left is the guys they keep are "glue" guys. They make smart free agent decisions, yes, but when they get a player who is a fulcrum to the balance of a particular position, they keep him on board longterm.

Maybe Schwartz is that guy. Maybe he isn't. This team has had guard problems ever since Will Shields retired, and the really sucky part is we had a solution on our roster at the time in Wade Smith. His contract was up, and we let him walk with no questions asked. Maybe he wanted more money than was offered. Wouldn't you rather have thrown a few extra million at him to keep him here longterm instead of suffering this turnstile bullshit of Adrian Jones, Jon Asamoah, Ryan Lilja, and Jeff Allen? If you could invest simple free agent dollars into a longterm solution and not had to worry about burning all those draft picks, wouldn't that be so much better?

Again, I'm not saying Geoff Schwartz is Wade Smith. But the circumstances are the same, and he definitely showed great chemistry towards the end of the season as a starter. Personally, I think free agent $$$ are way cheaper than the possible alternative solution.

You're forgetting Nduku Ikewugu or whatever it was. LMAO

I agree. But I recognize that for the most part, Schwartz is JAG in the NFL. We forget that Asamoah played really well in 2012 when we played ZBS. He only allowed 2 sacks that whole season. If we started the season with the same line scheme we ended with, most likely he would have remained the starter and we would have never heard of Schwartz.
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won't happen but either Roger Saffold or Michael Oher would make a kick ass Guard

My initial reaction is born from the scars on my soul from the previous administrations.


Dorsey earned enough respect last year in his signings that I'm going to trust their judgement. If he goes, there is a reason. FA hasn't even really gotten a good start to rumors let alone signings.

Let this man work his mojo. I'll give them until about September to start questioning player signing judgement.

Not a popular opinion around here but I absolutely agree.

I'd say Asamoah is on the first plane to Atlanta as soon as possible with Pioli there and their obvious OL needs

Comp picks are awarded to teams that lost more "qualifying free agents" than they signed over the course of each offseason.

A "qualifying free agent" is a player that was on your roster the entire year and entered free agency due to his contract expiring.

So if we lose

Albert
Jackson
Abdullah
Schwartz
Asamoah
McCluster
Demps
Lewis

To free agency and sign no "qualifying free agents" to replace them with, we would get a comp pick for each of them.

The comp picks range from rounds 3-7 and the things that impact the quality of the comp pick awarded the most are playing time and contract amount.

The Chiefs aren't going to go into the season with Rashaw Johnson and the often injured Eric Fisher as the starters. Dorsey better sign or draft a right guard who can also play tackle.

The nice thing about Schwartz is he's a guy who takes up 1 roster spot but can play 2 positions.

thickening

We have plenty of options. You can easily bump Hudson, Allen, Rokevius Watkins, Rishaw Johnson. Hudson and Kush compete for Center. Now we just need depth at Tackle.

We can get both Guard and Tackle depth through the draft, the scrap pile, and cheap free agent pickups. To SNR's point... you don't have to use your first two rounds to get that either.

Isn't there a maximum of four awarded?