Damn Schwartz is the one free agent I really didn't want the Chiefs to lose this offseason.

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@nfldraftscout: Can confirm through sources that Geoff Schwartz will not be back with the #Chiefs. Also, won't be returning to #Vikings


Brand new information.

Good luck Geoff

The salaries being handed out reflect the increased cap ceiling. He has a chance to really get paid. Can't blame him for wanting to take advantage.

We better start working with guys like Justin Houston NOW. This market is gonna piss some guys off...

God damnt...

ROFL Pioli

Feel the same way. I also wanted to keep Dex.

Pioli on fire!

Every time he's come in for the starter, Schwartz has ended up playing better than the guy he replaced. I think the reason why he hasn't stuck could be that the teams had more money tied up in the starter.He also got hurt one year. Regardless, he's now played his way into a starter's contract. There's a reason for that too and it's because he's good.

I think that more than ever now, we're going to have to go OL in the 1st again, lol. A starting quality OL player as a rookie won't be available in the 3rd round with all of these OL needy teams out there likely to reach for them in the 2nd-3rd, certainly not any potential swing guys like Bitonio, Thomas, Turner, etc.

Ah, the signs of spring in KC. Birds chirping in the morn, time springing forward, Rock Fest ticket pre-sale, talk of spending our first on a lineman...

Considering what guys like Asamoah and Schwartz are reportedly signing for, I don't think a "cheap vet starter" will be out there.

Hats off to Dorsey. Literally every one of our major FA's are getting vastly overpaid and Dorsey isn't doing it.
No way would I overpay for any of those guys. Reports are that Schwartz is going to get more than Asamoah, who got $4.5 million a year.
Ridiculous.

Dorsey has proven he can get the same quality of player for far less.

Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a ****ing starter. It's that simple.

I totally agree. Especially if you find one who played his way into that role. I'd have no problem paying and keeping Schwartz. I would have a problem paying a guy like Asamoah. You need to be able to detect what type of player you're paying, but you definitely need to pay and keep the good ones and balance that with letting the guys go who are not ascending and / or in your view will never reach their potential.

Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a ****ing journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has seen in over a decade.

Chill the **** out and let's see who he replaces them with first.

Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

The problem is now we're put into a situation to where we have no choice but to spend our first round pick on a shitty ****ing guard. Meanwhile, Donnie Avery and Dwayne Bowe keep not getting open and/or dropping passes and whatever piece of shit journeyman we sign at free safety will likely fail to be a huge upgrade over Kendrick Lewis.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see this team re-sign Kendrick Lewis.

wide receiver, cornerback, safety, tight end...

We have numerous other holes and John Dorsey decided adding offensive line to the list was a good idea.

Zach Martin.:hmmm:

D-line man. How long have you been around?

This happened a few years ago with Wade Smith. He was a FA, everyone knew he was a decent starter and he walked to Houston. Rest is history. Schwartz is kind of similar to Wade, journeyman, play multiple positions, etc

I can't wait until the Chiefs take a guard in the 1st.

What bugs me the most is that you can't even play it off as them getting rid of a Pioli guy. Albert and Asamoah....I can understand. Maybe you don't think they fit what you're trying to do.....or maybe you just want them gone. But you ****ing signed him last year on a 1 year deal....and then he performed for you. Logical thing to do? Sign him. Nope....let's let him go. We now have 1 starting OG on this roster unless you plan on moving Hudson and then starting Kush at C. But guess what....Hudson's contract is up after next season.

Came down to a matter of money. Schwartz has never made a lot of money anywhere and has hopped around the league on short-term contracts. We weren't going to pay him as much as the next guy so I don't blame him for leaving. I'm sure that Dorsey and Reid wanted him back, just not at the price that others were willing and, more importantly, able to pay for.

:holdman:

Yea I dont understand the 1 year stop gap/band aid for the sake of a bigger hole in the offseason.

And like you said next offseason they are going to be in a worse position and will have to take a look at cutting some of the veterans with those cap eating contracts.

The thought of it makes me want to vomit.

I'd like to know what their plan is on the OL. We need at least 1 new starter and we have no depth to speak of. Even worse, the starters we still have are all average at best or borderline suck. This will probably be one of the league's worst OL next season.

As it is right now, without the draft, the only thing they can really do is roll....

Stephenson - Allen - Kush - Hudson - Fisher.

Fisher and Stephenson are dependent based on TC but the intelligence they're showing right now means that Fisher has already been handed the LT job.

6 WRs, 3 OL. 1 step drop and throw.

we will actually have three new full time starters, our bookends will be their first full season starting at LT and RT and not just doing spot duty. And a new RG (please not a first round pick). The only constants are Jeff Allen and Rodney Hudson

doesnt sound so hot on paper when Jeff Allen is your most tenured veteran on your oline lol

Schwartz isn't getting starting money. He's getting more than that. He's going to get way more money than he's worth.


Just my opinion, but I think Dorsey is very comfortable with Kush taking over and starting. He looked very good in the SD game.

Better stock up on Dramamine.

He's getting starting money in 2014. The cap increased.....and it will keep increasing. Thinking that you can away with paying starting money from 2010 in 2015 isn't going to win you games.

LT-Fisher
LG-Allen
C-Hudson
RG-Kush
RT-Stephenson

I would not be surprised to see this going into next year.

Fisher was drafted to play LT.

Why do most here seem to struggle with this?

Poor Alex

And if they move Hudson and start Kush, it will be even worse.

If they do that, they're basically making next year a throw away year. It makes no sense to go out and spend so much on Alex Smith and then rebuild the entire line a year later.

He has yet to prove he can manage the RT spot. So by all means, just give him the starting LT job because hell, that's what he was drafted to be.

ROFL

At least there's SOME continuity there.

Sweet....we can all start looking at 1st round Centers for next year.

a lot of people on here thought the Chiefs were in their own little bubble, that none of these shit teams with lesser talent and tons of cap space were watching and we could pull the wool over their eyes and keep a guy like Geoff Schwartz on a bargin because hey, thats what we got him for so why not.

The problem is everybody in the NFL was watching and now even our average talent is about to get overpaid

the nature of the beast from the business side

@MikeSilver: Right now a battle is shaping up between the Giants and Rams for Geoff Schwartz's (non-bargain) services. Will someone else get in?

I said it yesterday.

The cap went up.

Salaries went up.

This shouldn't be a big shock.

The Chiefs are standing around wondering why players aren't signing for what they did in 2010.

this will pretty much sum up FA

Gotta draft and develop, constantly. Guys like Catapano, Kush, Commings are gonna have to start being good players. You have to draft well and have the young cheap guys play like stars these days.

This is going to prove if Dorsey and Reid know what they're doing when it comes to the players that they drafted. It's just to bad that he hired a DC who refuses to use ****ing depth.

Can't have another shitty draft like last year. Last years draft really hurts.

Yep.

We do have a great coaching staff, (maybe not at DC) so hopefully player development takes an uptick.

the offense doesnt have to worry about that because the depth actually get gifted the starting jobs with NO competition behind any of the positions lol

After all these years fans still buy into the $ excuse. The reported contracts are almost never what they seem. They almost always include a huge sum at the end that will never be paid.

Much of the lines success next year will depend on Eric Fisher.

It's hard to judge the OL though. Allen, Hudson and Stephenson had to adjust to new blocking scheme and get stronger

@ArrowheadPride: Said this last night, but you pay Andy Reid top dollar so that his staff develops existing players better than others.

This

What existing players? They're letting them all go. ROFL

It's pretty imperative that Fisher keep his ass out of the tub and actually produce next year.

We really need him and Stephenson to become 8 year bookend tackles

Commings is gonna have to develop, along with Kush, Johnson at LB with DJ, Catapano, etc.

Cooper, Fisher, Kush, Jenkins etc

So they're rebuilding.

Why the **** did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

why do people think a guy like Sanders Commings will be a savior? is it because you see something in him or more false hope cause we got no other options?

I'm geniunely curious because that seems like a lot riding on a guy that hasnt shown much. I cheer for Kelce too but I know he at least still has other TEs at his position. A guy like Sanders Commings gets the car keys why? He was what a 5th rounder?

Hali, Charles, Bowe, Flowers, Smith...

Yeah, a youth movement at this point in time is just ****ing dumb.

Oh it's more than that.....they have to develop players that they didn't draft.

Bailey, Powe, Fisher, Stephenson, Commings, Kush, Jenkins, Kelce, N. Johnson, Rishaw Johnson, Hemmingway, Bray and Davis.

Say goodbye to Flowers and Hali after this season.

Or go on a free agent spending spree with Mike DeVito, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, etc.

Rule 1: Don't ever ****in draft a quarterback

Just think, this could be just like Herm.

Playoffs the first year and then fall off the face of the Earth...

Yep.

It's pure Jekyll and Hyde.

OH NOES THEY'RE LETTING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS LEAVE HOW WILL WE EVER BE MEDIOCRE AGAIN?

It is the way GB has done things. Not trying to make a big splash in FA. And replacing their own more expensive FAs with younger, in house, players.

Just remember that when Alex Smith dies because of this offensive line.

GB can do that because Aaron Rodgers. Without him, as you saw when he got hurt, they cant do that. We dont have an Aaron Rodgers on this team

I can't believe they let Schwartz go. We're Doooooooooooooooomed!

Guards can be replaced

We're basically going with the o-line that played the SD game. That's if they don't add anyone.

Exactly.

Because, as everyone knows, that Charger defense was ****ing awesome last year. :rolleyes:

ROFL