Jimmie ward?

Too much money for a team that already has Berry. Carry on.

The kid from NIU?

If we trade back in the 1st, definitely. I don't know about at #23 though as I think there will be a few guys there whom I would rate higher than him even if I do think that he will be one hell of a player in this league.

Bpa meets position of need

Clemons, por favor. Or Pryor/Clinton-Dix.

Unrelated to Byrd, but Denver looks like they are going to get Demarcus Ware.

Well that's no ****ing good.

Screw the stats. They paid Whitner a million more a year than Ward got from Denver because he sucked in coverage. They could have signed him a long time ago. He was drafted to be a building block and they had the money. PFF can suck my ass. ROFL

If he is used to stop the run then he's not graded the same way against the pass.

just sayin'

Ward didnt want to return to Cleveland.

Who can blame him for taking less to go to a winner?

Yeah, but if there's a guy that I would rate in the top 20 available and I have Byrd in my 25-30 range, I'm not going to pass on the top 20 guy for him unless I truly think that Commings has zero shot at becoming a starting caliber FS. That's when I would see Ward as the pick I would make.

Pretty much the same thing that SF did with Reid last year.

They probably could have tagged him for what they paid Whitner.

Is Rafael bush available now?

I'm not going to argue that Ward is better than Whitner, because that's just not true. However, they are very close, and your getting this all wrong. The Browns didn't leave ward; Ward left the browns. He took less money to play on a potential SB team.

Edit: and who knows, there might even be a bonus in his contract.

If he meant that much to them, they would have tagged him. They wanted someone better.

Not really, Whitner just fits Pettine's Defense better. Pettine does not believe in FS and SS. He views both positions the same and switches guys around all the time. Whitner's your guy in that type of D.

Nah, I don't agree. The last two regimes didn't seem to want to lock him up either. They knew 2013 was the last year they had him. None of the three GMs (and HCs) they've had in the last three offseasons re-signed him. He's not good in coverage. Re-signing him was never a priority for any of them. It's more than their current flavor of the month GM and coaching staff.

Why? It'll just make it that much more hilarious when Fivehead chokes in the playoffs again. :clap:

ya thats what im saying :hmmm: the f**k?...he wouldve been a good get for us. Oh well

K

Just a couple of days ago the Saints were in CAP HELL. Looks like they found a way to make a splash and sign a very good player. THEY FOUND A WAY! Meanwhile, KC lost more than the Saints cut, and haven't done dick. :shake:

Brees is also 35 years old and in the twilight of his career. The Saints have a small window to win right now as well. They're pretty much in the same boat as NE and Denver. It's now or rebuild with a new QB in a couple of years for them.

Super Bowl.

It's all about Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton.

Yeah, because the Browns are a classic example of a model franchise to follow as far as resigning players.

LMAO

So basically what you are saying is that we need great deep safety play to train our linemen to knock down short passes? LMAO

It wasn't just the three GMs, HCs, and DCs that didn't want him. The majority of the fans didn't want him either and feel like they upgraded. Go read some of their message boards. He sucked in coverage.