The situation has done a 180. Last year they were taking on the football equivalent of breathing life back into an aborted fetus. The approach reflects the situation.

I think he meant they needed a lot of turn over last year. Not that it was a flawed plan.

You seem to think you either must choose to suck, and build through the draft, or blow your load on FAs and try to win now, but teams who are good at building through the draft and not signing the big names, are usually trying to win now EVERY YEAR.

Tomorrow for Smith will probably end 6-7 years from now.

Now there's some hope.

sorry for being rude, but that's ignorant.

That rebuttal is not taking into account the fact that the cap is blowing up over the next 3 years and will be between 155-160 million 2 seasons from now and at that point, most of our star players will be past their prime or gone altogether.

FFS some of you just don't seem to be able to grasp the FACT that waiting 2 is unacceptable.

Let me try to relate this to Texas Holdem....

We've been in the tournament for 3 hours and the field has been cut in half and we got dealt AK suited and 2 other players pushed a lot of money pre flop and the pot is the largest it's been all night.

The flop comes AAK and 2 of those cards are hearts and the players that pushed money in per flop are continuing to push stacks of chips into the middle and we are at a position where we need to make a decision to fold or go all in.

The turn card comes 10hearts...

What KC is doing this offseason is just calling the bets while thinking about folding with hopes of waiting for a better hand.

The river card is a Qhearts.

Now, we are in a bad spot because we sat around and put ourselves into tat spot by not taking advantage of the flop.

Sorry, but there is a time when you need to be aggressive and push your chips into the middle and I think not trying to add a guy like Ward or Byrd is gonna end up giving another team a straight or royal flush and force us to stand up and leave the tournament.

I actually think that there is a good chance at moving down as long as we are willing to move down 8-10 spots. There are gonna be some big time talents that drop to us that won't drop 10 more spots and someone in that range will want to move up to get one of them.

They had a nice first year, no? I'm alright with seeing this year if they can build something sustainable.

4-12 off-season with NO QB.

10-6 QB position filled.

Yeah, that might cause a slight adjustment in approach.

And when they don't?

Worked for Herm.

This conversation is REALLY going to become fun when they don't extend Alex Smith and everybody that was in the "we got our QB" camp realizes what that means.

It probably is ignorant. I don't know a lot about that.

However, I don't bother getting my panties all in a bunch because there is absolutely nothing I can do about the situation.

The Saints didnt have cap space....they were 20+million over the cap...but they signed Byrd.

The Broncos have lots of guys walk and found a way to sign 3 top tier difference makers in Ward, Talib and Ware.

The Chiefs have 60 million tied up in 5 players that could all be restructured to make that necessary push to compete with Denver and the rest of the teams in the AFC to try and you know.....try to actually win a title or at least have a shot at doing so.

They could EASILY clear up another 20 million in cap space and at least try to add some playmakers to help them get over the hump

They're doing it right. You don't win in free agency. You win in the draft.

'course that means they have to start drafting well at some point, but that's another thread.

It's not ignorant at all. Restructuring contracts pushes the money into later years. Which is well and good if the guy's going to be around, but 3 of the top 4 cap hits are Bowe, Hali, and Flowers. How many of those three do you see being on this team in two years? I say maybe one. I could see two of them not being here next year, depending on how their 2014 goes.

If you push money into future years on guys who aren't around for those future years, you end up with dead money. Even with the increases in the cap this year, teams with lots of dead money were having to cut guys off their roster just to free up cap space. So the cap increases aren't a magic elixir.

The bill will come due eventually. You want to push it back because you want gratification today. That's OK, but that doesn't mean it's a foolproof plan with no consequences.

Exactly.

Or when he signs a carbon copy deal of Tony Romos and that keeps us from continuing to bolster this roster and causes us to continue to have to let guys walk in free agency.

No reason for hope?

Jesus, why do you even watch?

I've always been in the build through the draft group...but part of that strategy isn't to let your draft picks walk in free agency.

That's a good point

Every team who drafts well has guys waiting in the wings and let's guy walk every. single. year.

It's a new front office, so "their" draft picks start with Eric Fisher.

(sigh)

Lets say you have been at your job for 4 years and have put in extra hours and have spent personal time learning the aspects of the jobs of those above you in your place of business.

During this time, you have been living in a very modest house that your family has outgrown.

You get informed by your employer that they are going to offer you a position that carries a pay increase of 30% over your already good rate.

One of the first things you do is contact a realtor to gauge the housing market, right?

It's March 12 people a lot of off-season left.

You're right. KC has yet to draft a guard and a project DT with their first two picks.

So they shouldn't figure the age of the current roster into the equation?

I've always respected your takes, keg and I'm taking your point of view into consideration because of such, but at the end of the day they seem like they have little to no interest in most of the guys that were here before they got here and their respective ages into the big picture of how they are going to win a title and that's a little hard to swallow after trading for a quarterback that's 30 years old and has a window that's not huge himself.

When you trade for a 30 year old quarterback, don't you pretty much acknowledge that you are in win now mode at that point?

I'm not sure. Am I still in the Texas holdem tournament?

True...but it would be nice to hear some rumblings of us working on restructures or extensions to at least try to make some moves.

If they aren't gonna do that, at least make a push to use that money to lock up some pending free agents for next year.

How did you come to this conclusion?

How?

No big FA signings?

I fully expect these guys to have championship goals by year 3.
What have they done that should make me feel otherwise?

By year 3, a lot of our stars will be either past their prime or be gone already.

I'm laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside.

Not hearing anything by day 2 of FA means they are not doing these things?
I should probably just leave this thread.

Couple of thoughts:

There are a lot of ways of looking at the players they've let go. Maybe they just don't see them as pieces that fit what they want to do, long term. Which is not at all unusual when franchises rebuild. That's just the reality of it. Front offices tend to want 'their' guys, and let's face it, whether these players have made pro bowls are not, was there really anybody who's been allowed to walk who was an irreplaceable superstar? I can't think of a single player that's gone that signed somewhere else for a contract that I would have been satisfied with had they remained here (and that includes Carr). We're talking big dollars for players who are pretty good, but, really, nothing all that spectacular.

30 years old is not old for a quarterback. Guys have been playing the position at a high level into their mid- to late-30s for a long time. Alex Smith has plenty of limitations, but his age isn't one of them. So I wouldn't talk about him like he's a year or two away from retirement. It's not at all inconceivable that he's still starting here in, say, 2020. As frightening a concept as that is.

And of course, don't mistake any of this as support of or satisfaction with the front office. I'm talking in purely philosophical terms. I don't like a lot of the moves they've made, including both Alex Smith and Eric Fisher, but I also don't have a particular problem with the way they've handled any of the vets. I mean, I like(d) Branden Albert, but I'd never have paid him what the Dolphins did. Especially not with the injuries he's struggled with the last two years and with Stephenson playing well, as well as, like him or not, Fisher being here.

You also have to consider possible future contracts for players who'll be coming up for new deals in the next year or two. Who's more important long term, say, Albert (or even, say, Byrd) or Justin Houston? Sometimes choices have to be made, and there are likely way more facets to all of this than we ever realize....

I get all that, Keg...but we haven't been linked to any of the free agent safeties and the draft has very limited options at the position.

Every single one of us knows that that we need a FS that can start day one and play at a high level....nothing.

We know the line solidified when Schwartz entered the lineup and he's gone.

I'm just happy we re-signed Abdullah to such a bargain deal. Easily the best bang for the buck thus far in all of FA IMO.

Come on now you are being way over the top with everything and you are letting it cloud your mind.
Also Denver has not signed Ware.
You know how about a little faith. You are/were one of those that hated the Alex Smith trade. Now that decision looks like the best one.
Just because they are not doing what YOU wish doesn't mean that everything is lost or that we can't still find quality players to fill our needs without overpaying.
Any of you guys that thought we were going to break the bank for a player or two were foolish in your thoughts then and now.

Keg, I've pointed out numerous times that only 4 SBs have been won by QBs over the age of 33.
That means that the chances of winning with Alex Smith after 3 years substatntially decrease, especially since one of his positive attributes is his mobility.

So, the reality is, trading for a 29 year old QB is a win now move.

And we will have guys drafted to take over. I like moving forward with Fisher. Also feel very comfortable moving forward with Knile Davis when that time comes.

Tamba or Flowers, likely both, will be watching as their replacements are drafted in May.

Broncos are not a tough team. They don't have chemistry. And what's hilarious is now they are going from signing Big name FA's to signing old injured FA's.

OMG we are 21 hours into FA and we didn't sign one of the first tier players!!!
That is all that any media outlets are talking about right now.
We were not and are not going to sign one of those players. We will be signing role players and such that will be in the 2cd tier of FA signings. Knowing that we are not interested in those overpriced type FA our FO are working on new deals for Alex Smith and Justin Houston. That has been publicly stated and talked about here on CP. That is working on lowering our cap number that would allow us to sign another player or two.

Based on what?

Knile Davis had the tag of injury and fumble prone and those concerns proved to be legit because he fumbled a bunch and ended the year with knee issues and a broken leg.

Fisher showed nothing to suggest he can replace a pro bowl left tackle...but I'm willing to give it a chance.

Be patient. Charles had trouble with fumbling too and he was too "small".

Fisher will be at least 15 lbs heavier next year. He'll be much stronger.

I also really like Kish. Watched the SD game today and loved his game. He's so quick for a big guy.

I never said it wasn't. Although my concept of that move in a "win now" sense covers about 5 years. He was never a desperation move like the Broncos and Manning, which was literally a 2-year window. Sure they want(ed) to win if they could/can in 2013 and 2014, and in their eyes I'm sure signing him was a part of that, but at the same time Smith's almost certainly going to be the starter here well beyond that. I believe it was as much a long term move as it was a short term. Not a move I liked or would have made, but nonetheless...

The Chiefs motto. LMAO

I guess, like all things in life you deal with that then. I'm not going to preemptively complain now, based on what could happen. So far I'm good with Reid and Dorsey.

Seems like I watched a game a few months ago where our 2nd and 3rd string beat SD's 1st string minus a failed FG and a ref **** up.

All is not lost moving on with some of our young guys.

Its only the 2nd day of free agency guys its not like this team hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years

Did you watch the game where they blew a 28 point lead and kept the same players and the DC?

Lets just hope we don't go out and lay an egg by drafting another Junior Siavii type guy in the draft ....in other words drafting a guard at 23.

We need a big impact guy at 23, or to trade down.

They need to hit a home run and 3-4 singles and doubles in this draft.

I can't believe so many here are discounting this.

We need to upgrade at safety...badly.

If you guys haven't figured it out by now, we're only really shopping for leftover talent because we're pretty content with the current shape of the roster, and setting up for an amazing 2015 draft class with 4 compensatory selections, should we sign no more than 1 "major" player this year.

On top of that, the leftovers that don't "walk" for us, will probably try to re-sign with us on a much lower salary figure, opening up the wallet for the next 2-3 years.

Whereas Denver is over here putting themselves into Salary Cap hell in 2016, 2017, and 2018, trying to buy a Super Bowl THIS year. And Christ Almighty is that going to backfire on them the second Peyton takes an Injury to the neck. Its clear, to me, that they don't expect him to play for more than 2 more years, and basically out there in the public saying we're going to buy a ring now, and suffer terrible seasons in the next 3-5 years rebuilding. Whereas we're just reloading the roster with draft picks for the next few years, seeking specific key players in Free Agency.

Also, its hard as **** to compete in free agency against the Broncos when they open the wallets up this big with pictures of Peyton's face on the check.

I'd have to say both teams are playing it very smart right now, and while it feels we have tossed in the towel and have started this year out with regression, it really isn't as bad as it feels.

I will not be surprised one bit if we come to find out that we've been working on a trade this whole time either for draft picks or a receiver/pass rusher.

Wouldn't be surprised if we end up loading on receivers and DB's here before long.

Except we haven't kept the same players. Not even close actually.

Huh? Actually, you're right....they took a step or two backwards.

LMAO

As we know the rosters are set in stone by March 15th.

:rolleyes: Yea because you know who is filling those holes and have that crystal ball to tell you how it all goes.

Just like last year.

True, but the Chiefs now have new holes in addition to the multiple needs they already had and are essentially relying on just the draft to fill them.

I don't see how that realistically sets the foundation for an opportunity to improve on last season's outcome (especially against a tougher schedule).

At that time, nobody had any tape on those guys.

Just like Marcus Cooper, as teams compile tape, they'll start to abuse them.

ROFL