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Mr. Kotter 03-12-2014 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483748)
God, let's hope you don't. Because that was a pretty sorry attempt to rebut my point.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...turnarounds/6/

Some of 'em became long term...

OldSchool 03-12-2014 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10483841)
2 things.

1 - What is the quality of the 2015 draft class? Decent? Shitty?

2 - Who are the 2015 FA's?
1. Likely shitty because of the talent drain caused by all of the underclassmen declaring this year.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10483841)
2 things.

1 - What is the quality of the 2015 draft class? Decent? Shitty?

2 - Who are the 2015 FA's?
Obviously it's unknown but the depth of this draft with all of the underclassmen who left early is more than likely going to hurt next years draft class.

Preliminary list of FAs as of right now.

http://nfltraderumors.co/2015-nfl-free-agents-list/

Mr. Kotter 03-12-2014 10:58 AM
Focusing on the long term, and shoring things up for the short term...should NOT be mutually exclusive endeavors.

Bowser 03-12-2014 11:00 AM
**** this shit. There is NO reason to put a team and/or an entire season on cruise control. Even with the guys we lost, we're not in THAT bad of shape. If we brought in Clemons and Sanders today, the team is instantly better. Same with Sproles or Hester to take DMC's role over.

We're not that far away. If they piss it away due to numbers, I swear I will not go to a game this season unless it's a free ticket.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:00 AM
Richard Sherman could hit the market in 2015.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483861)
Richard Sherman could hit the market in 2015.
lol yea right

Bowser 03-12-2014 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483861)
Richard Sherman will likely get the franchise tag in 2015.
fixed

TEX 03-12-2014 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483834)
That'll close the gap on Peyton Manning! Way to go!
Quit being a dick head when someone answers your question. I said for starters and it would have been a great start. When a guy like Schwartz is not retained, when so many others are not, it sends the wrong message. And to address your dick head response, it damn sure would have closed the gap a lot more than doing nothing does. Besides, I'm interested in making the Chiefs better for the sake of making them better. Closing the gap on Denver would be a byproduct of that .

FringeNC 03-12-2014 11:03 AM
How many examples are there of teams successfully building through free-agency? Not many. Given the new CBA, building through the draft will become even more of an imperative given cheap rookie contracts.

Teams consistently win by drafting (include rookie FAs here too) well AND having a good coaching staff.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483875)
How many examples are there of teams successfully building through free-agency? Not many. Given the new CBA, building through the draft will become even more of an imperative given cheap rookie contracts.

Teams consistently win by drafting (include rookie FAs here too) well AND having a good coaching staff.
Just completely gloss over the fact that the cap is increasing almost $10 million a year over the next 2 years.

And you can draft well all you want.....but it doesn't mean dick when you don't sign those draft picks to their 2nd contract.

Mother****erJones 03-12-2014 11:05 AM
We should've been stacked after '08 draft.

TEX 03-12-2014 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483879)
Just completely gloss over the fact that the cap is increasing almost $10 million a year over the next 2 years.

And you can draft well all you want.....but it doesn't mean dick when you don't sign those draft picks to their 2nd contract.
Thats exactly right. If you dont sign them, then something went wrong.

milkman 03-12-2014 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10483831)
Its hard to do from my phone, but Id have retained Schwartz for starters...
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483834)
That'll close the gap on Peyton Manning! Way to go!
You are full of shit, Direckshun.
The move by Tex gives your line an opportunity to retain some chemistry and cohesion.

I saw an offense that improved over the course of the last 6 games, and adefense whose major weakness was exposed and taken advantage of over the course of the last 9.

You add a reliable WR opposite Bowe, and competent FS play, and with a couple of additions in the draft, and you have a team that can compete.

Trading 2 draft picks for a QB, then follow that up with moves designed to stockpile picks and cap space are inconsistent approaches.

BossChief 03-12-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483879)
Just completely gloss over the fact that the cap is increasing almost $10 million a year over the next 2 years.

And you can draft well all you want.....but it doesn't mean dick when you don't sign those draft picks to their 2nd contract.
Exactly.

You can't say "we want to build through the draft" in one breath and then say "it's ok that we are letting everyone walk in FA that we drafted" in the next breath.

Direckshun 03-12-2014 11:13 AM
The team that retains Schwartz still loses ground to Manning and the Broncos this offseason.

milkman 03-12-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483875)
How many examples are there of teams successfully building through free-agency? Not many. Given the new CBA, building through the draft will become even more of an imperative given cheap rookie contracts.

Teams consistently win by drafting (include rookie FAs here too) well AND having a good coaching staff.
Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and Marshawn Lynch.

Mother****erJones 03-12-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10483896)
You are full of shit, Direckshun.
The move by Tex gives your line an opportunity to retain some chemistry and cohesion.

I saw an offense that improved over the course of the last 6 games, and adefense whose major weakness was exposed and taken advantage of over the course of the last 9.

You add a reliable WR opposite Bowe, and competent FS play, and with a couple of additions in the draft, and you have a team that can compete.

Trading 2 draft picks for a QB, then follow that up with moves designed to stockpile picks and cap space are inconsistent approaches.
Ya I said last night give me a FS, Emmanuel Sanders and DRC. Add to line in the draft except round 1. I'd spend on skill positions and the core players.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10483901)
Exactly.

You can't say "we want to build through the draft" in one breath and then say "it's ok that we are letting everyone walk in FA that we drafted" in the next breath.
Except, they didn't draft those guys.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:15 AM
or give up two 2nd round picks for a 30 year old QB and then say, we want to build through the draft.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10483903)
Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and Marshawn Lynch.
Avril and Bennett were both bargain signings, not huge bank breaking deals like the Donkeys are doing.

Fish 03-12-2014 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483875)
How many examples are there of teams successfully building through free-agency? Not many. Given the new CBA, building through the draft will become even more of an imperative given cheap rookie contracts.

Teams consistently win by drafting (include rookie FAs here too) well AND having a good coaching staff.
The problem is that we've been trying to build through the draft for some time now, only to piss down our leg when it comes time to sign a second contract for our home grown talent. Building through the draft isn't very meaningless if the team refuses to pay a contract once those draft picks exceed their rookie contract.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483902)
The team that retains Schwartz still loses ground to Manning and the Broncos this offseason.
Bullshit.

jd1020 03-12-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483907)
Except, they didn't draft those guys.
Time to rebuild after making the playoffs in year 1.

Bowser 03-12-2014 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483902)
The team that retains Schwartz still loses ground to Manning and the Broncos this offseason.
That's not entirely fair seeing as how the entire league has lost ground to the Broncos this offseason thus far.

The Broncos are going all in on 2014. This is likely it for Manning. None of that gives the Chiefs a free pass to sit back and wait for the storm to pass.

milkman 03-12-2014 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483913)
Avril and Bennett were both bargain signings, not huge bank breaking deals like the Donkeys are doing.
I understand that.

As I said in an earlier, I am not concerned with the lack of activity early in this process.

I am only pointing out the stupidity of these posts.

Direckshun 03-12-2014 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483923)
Bullshit.
No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.

FringeNC 03-12-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10483915)
The problem is that we've been trying to build through the draft for some time now, only to piss down our leg when it comes time to sign a second contract for our home grown talent. Building through the draft isn't very meaningless if the team refuses to pay a contract once those draft picks exceed their rookie contract.
A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.

DTLB58 03-12-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10483896)
You are full of shit, Direckshun.
The move by Tex gives your line an opportunity to retain some chemistry and cohesion.

I saw an offense that improved over the course of the last 6 games, and adefense whose major weakness was exposed and taken advantage of over the course of the last 9.

You add a reliable WR opposite Bowe, and competent FS play, and with a couple of additions in the draft, and you have a team that can compete.

Trading 2 draft picks for a QB, then follow that up with moves designed to stockpile picks and cap space are inconsistent approaches.
Thread over. :clap:

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10483915)
The problem is that we've been trying to build through the draft for some time now, only to piss down our leg when it comes time to sign a second contract for our home grown talent. Building through the draft isn't very meaningless if the team refuses to pay a contract once those draft picks exceed their rookie contract.
How dare they pass on signing an injury-prone 30 year old OT to a nearly $50 mil deal who is only above average at his position?

Or how dare they pass on a "run stuffing" 5-tech who offers no pass rushing ability for $25 mil?

How dare they pass on a special teams pipsqueak who isn't very fast for his size and offers little in the passing game when a draft that's remarkably deep at WR is coming up?

How could they think of passing on signing an OG who was a career journeyman and an average starter at best for premium dollars?

Yeahhhhhhh, about that.

jd1020 03-12-2014 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483934)
A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.
Daniel... key talent.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483929)
No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.
Schwartz keeps the cohesiveness of the line together while allowing you to spend your draft picks on other more necessary holes. You may not be gaining ground but you're definitely not losing ground.

kcpasco 03-12-2014 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483929)
No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.
So Chiefs should just concede the season and go belly up because the big bad Broncos got better?
Schwartz was actually a solid player for us last year.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483913)
Avril and Bennett were both bargain signings, not huge bank breaking deals like the Donkeys are doing.
And guess what? Bennett just got a new deal because of how he performed. Funny that teams do that after 1 year prove it deals.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:24 AM
I'd rather play Schwartz, a guy with experience that knows the system then having to go through another season of basically a ****ing inexperienced unknown rookie starting. We saw how that went with Eric Fisher at tackle, and we picked him first overall. Could you imagine if we threw out a 23rd overall pick, 3rd round pick, 4th, undrafted? some slap ass that was on our practice squad last year? It's basically like playing an unknown player with no experience and it's no guarantee he will be stable at the position. Add ontop of the fact our most tenured olineman will be Jeff ****ing Allen. That's what's considered a "Veteran" for us. Jeff Allen. Let that sink in. (they will probably end up signing some old fart like Daryn Colledge but as of right now, all things being equal)

And apparently, they plan on playing a lot of inexperienced players as starters next season unless they sign some veterans to plug these holes.

Fish 03-12-2014 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483934)
A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.
The point is that so far this offseason, we've went against the "Build through the draft" model by letting many of our own high draft picks walk away by not offering them a contract past their rookie one, in addition to mostly ignoring the free agent market thus far.

FringeNC 03-12-2014 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10483957)
The point is that so far this offseason, we've went against the "Build through the draft" model by letting many of our own high draft picks walk away by not offering them a contract past their rookie one, in addition to mostly ignoring the free agent market thus far.
Huh? The point is you can't be the highest bidder in the league on a bunch of guys every year, regardless of whether you drafted them or not.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483947)
And guess what? Bennett just got a new deal because of how he performed. Funny that teams do that after 1 year prove it deals.
People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.

The only reason why he looked good, compared to our other interior guys, was because he was the most experienced.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483969)
People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.
Overpay him? Show me his contract details....otherwise you're just speculating.

BossChief 03-12-2014 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 10483967)
Huh? The point is you can't be the highest bidder in the league on a bunch of guys every year, regardless of whether you drafted them or not.
That's why you get guys locked up before the very last minute.

Dunerdr 03-12-2014 11:32 AM
They're not cutting two ****ing starting corners to save a little who are they gonna sign that's that much better to account for a new contract and the cap hit.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:32 AM
so what are our options and filling the gigantic void at RG next season?

a) Rookie, (cue Zack Martin jokes) whether a first rounder, 3rd, 4th, 5th.

so another season of a rookie olineman alligator arming defenders coming in clean on Alex Smith. Just when I thought we got through this with Eric Fisher last year, the circle repeats itself

b) Rishaw Johnson/Eric Kush rotational experiments - Always a good thing when you are putting all your chips in on an undrafted player or a 5th round draft pick from a DII school with little to no experience. This isn't a huge gamble or anything with no insurance policy if they fail.

c) Some cheap slapdick 30+ year old veteran - Probably lacking in strength but makes up for in experience, similar to our Ryan Lilja years aka back to square one of mediocrity.

there's your options to replace Schwartz. None of them are that attractive.

Eleazar 03-12-2014 11:33 AM
Every year we're maybe going to be stacked next year.

Bowser 03-12-2014 11:34 AM
d) Put Kush at center and move Hudson to RG

The Franchise 03-12-2014 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10483981)
d) Put Kush at center and move Hudson to RG
Hudson will be on the last year of his contract. 2015....the same as 2014.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10483981)
d) Put Kush at center and move Hudson to RG
e) move Dwayne Bowe to TE

jd1020 03-12-2014 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483984)
Hudson will be on the last year of his contract. 2015....the same as 2014.
Respect the process.

BossChief 03-12-2014 11:41 AM
I'd have no problem signing Richie Incognito.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10484002)
I'd have no problem signing Richie Incognito.
I'd welcome it.

Dave Lane 03-12-2014 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10483859)
**** this shit. There is NO reason to put a team and/or an entire season on cruise control. Even with the guys we lost, we're not in THAT bad of shape. If we brought in Clemons and Sanders today, the team is instantly better. Same with Sproles or Hester to take DMC's role over.

We're not that far away. If they piss it away due to numbers, I swear I will not go to a game this season unless it's a free ticket.
Post a thread in the tickets forum now, by November you should get your tickets.

BossChief 03-12-2014 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10484010)
I'd welcome it.
I know some will scoff at this, but the guy would bring a tough nastiness to the OL and regardless of his perception, he would also bring some leadership as well.

Plus, he will be cheap and could step right in and play right away.

The only concern I'd have would be the distraction he would bring with him because of the media attention.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10484024)
I know some will scoff at this, but the guy would bring a tough nastiness to the OL and regardless of his perception, he would also bring some leadership as well.

Plus, he will be cheap and could step right in and play right away.

The only concern I'd have would be the distraction he would bring with him because of the media attention.
yea but this why you pay Andy Reid the big bucks, he, unlike that awkward weirdo Philbin in Miami, can handle that kind of media attention/distraction. He did it for a decade in Philly, multiple times with multiple players.

jd1020 03-12-2014 11:51 AM
Any good CFL guards out there to be had?

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10484024)
I know some will scoff at this, but the guy would bring a tough nastiness to the OL and regardless of his perception, he would also bring some leadership as well.

Plus, he will be cheap and could step right in and play right away.

The only concern I'd have would be the distraction he would bring with him because of the media attention.
And he could toughen up Eric Fisher.:hmmm:

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10484032)
Any good CFL guards out there to be had?
LMAO

RealSNR 03-12-2014 11:52 AM
Andy Reid brought in a dog killer PR nightmare and made him his starting QB. And he was pretty successful.

Incognito wouldn't be a challenge to the team chemistry. Not in Andy Reid's locker room.

God, I hope this happens. He's the only guard in free agency who doesn't suck complete dick and would be an instant starter on the cheap.

jd1020 03-12-2014 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10484034)
And he could toughen up Eric Fisher.:hmmm:
Wasn't his "toughness" the reason we picked him over the other tackles that were better?

BossChief 03-12-2014 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10484031)
yea but this why you pay Andy Reid the big bucks, he, unlike that awkward weirdo Philbin in Miami, can handle that kind of media attention/distraction. He did it for a decade in Philly, multiple times with multiple players.
Good point.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 11:55 AM
Icognito would be the perfect counter move to Denver's DeMarcus Ware.

Icognito pulling around the edge laying a massive hit on that softie Ware would be the toughness the Chiefs need to compete.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10484039)
Wasn't his "toughness" the reason we picked him over the other tackles that were better?
His upside.

LoneWolf 03-12-2014 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483684)
We have no way of knowing that at this point. Marcus Cooper could show another year of development, and the Chiefs could draft a CB in the early rounds of either the 2014 or 2015 draft. Not the mention the Chiefs will have the $ and draft pick ammo to sign a blue chipper off the market or trade for one.
They're not going to release both of their starting corners in one offseason to save salary cap money. One maybe, but not both. Pull your head out of your ass.

RealSNR 03-12-2014 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10484051)
They're not going to release both of their starting corners in one offseason to save salary cap money. One maybe, but not both. Pull your head out of your ass.
Exactly. If that's the case, then we better be going on a CB-drafting binge in the 2014 draft. And we have other needs to fill.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10484051)
They're not going to release both of their starting corners in one offseason to save salary cap money. One maybe, but not both. Pull your head out of your ass.
They'll release the pipsqeak Flowers. He can't cover anyone as is getting overpaid by about 6 mil a year at this point in his career.

bigjosh 03-12-2014 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10484047)
Icognito would be the perfect counter move to Denver's DeMarcus Ware.

Icognito pulling around the edge laying a massive hit on that softie Ware would be the toughness the Chiefs need to compete.

Not to mention, he'd call him the n word and bang his mother as well.

But seriously I would give incognito a couple years at a small contract if I knew he wouldn't end up suspended or something.

Direckshun 03-12-2014 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10484047)
Icognito would be the perfect counter move to Denver's DeMarcus Ware.

Icognito pulling around the edge laying a massive hit on that softie Ware would be the toughness the Chiefs need to compete.
Holy shit. That's legitimately brilliant.

Mcaj22 actually had a legitimately brilliant idea.

Bowser 03-12-2014 12:03 PM
Incognito is a better option by far than anything we have on our roster currently. And I'm with D - I'd love to see him pounding on Ware and Miller.

RealSNR 03-12-2014 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 10484061)
Not to mention, he'd call him the n word and bang his mother as well.

But seriously I would give incognito a couple years at a small contract if I knew he wouldn't end up suspended or something.
If Incognito is making a return, he'll do it to get his career back on track. There's no way he signs a multi-year deal unless it's absolutely drizzled with incentives. And I'm not sure how you quantify incentives for an offensive lineman other than games played/started.

He'll probably take a one-year deal cheap then seek a higher contract the following season. He knows he has to hurry, too, because he's already 30 years old.

We could really use him. Even if it's just for a year, I hope we bring his ass aboard ASAP.

Simplicity 03-12-2014 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10484076)
If Incognito is making a return, he'll do it to get his career back on track. There's no way he signs a multi-year deal unless it's absolutely drizzled with incentives. And I'm not sure how you quantify incentives for an offensive lineman other than games played/started.

He'll probably take a one-year deal cheap then seek a higher contract the following season. He knows he has to hurry, too, because he's already 30 years old.

We could really use him. Even if it's just for a year, I hope we bring his ass aboard ASAP.
Dude, **** it... Let's do it... Print em.

ct 03-12-2014 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483971)
Overpay him? Show me his contract details....otherwise you're just speculating.
As word comes out they intend to start him @RT, the numbers are pretty likely far more than we would pay for short term RG starter money.

I wanted him back too, but the contract needs to resemble the player, or else you're the Oakland Raiders. We already have Dwayne Bowe and Shaun Smith signed last year to, imo, overvalued contracts. Trying to keep Albert and/or Schwartz and/or Jackson etc at the contracts they are getting out there (still speculative on Schwartz you are right), does not help us at all for the long haul.

However, we do have too many holes to fill for what should be year2 in a rebuilding program. I understand all the frustration, but look at like a business 1st and sport 2nd, as we all know the Hunts do, and winning back the fans to maximize revenue, THEN let overvalued guys go, is exactly what's happening.

ct 03-12-2014 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10483977)
so what are our options and filling the gigantic void at RG next season?

a) Rookie, (cue Zack Martin jokes) whether a first rounder, 3rd, 4th, 5th.

so another season of a rookie olineman alligator arming defenders coming in clean on Alex Smith. Just when I thought we got through this with Eric Fisher last year, the circle repeats itself

b) Rishaw Johnson/Eric Kush rotational experiments - Always a good thing when you are putting all your chips in on an undrafted player or a 5th round draft pick from a DII school with little to no experience. This isn't a huge gamble or anything with no insurance policy if they fail.

c) Some cheap slapdick 30+ year old veteran - Probably lacking in strength but makes up for in experience, similar to our Ryan Lilja years aka back to square one of mediocrity.

there's your options to replace Schwartz. None of them are that attractive.
So a 1st round OG is bad (potentially Zach Martin), so is a 2nd rounder (Jeff Allen), same can be said for C (Cowboys last year), they can be found on day3. So we have a couple guys who fit that exactly in Kush and Johnson (UDFA), but they aren't proven enough to get a chance. So I just wanna ask, who is the right fit for you? What's the magic number? 4th round? 3rd round? Anything higher is a waste for interior lineman, anything later is just a D2 chump or an overrated D1 bum? What's the secret formula?

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483969)
People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.

The only reason why he looked good, compared to our other interior guys, was because he was the most experienced.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483971)
Overpay him? Show me his contract details....otherwise you're just speculating.
Shut the **** about overpaying him now.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10484147)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>G/T Geoff Schwartz's deal with <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Giants&amp;src=hash">#Giants</a> is for 4 years worth $16.8 million, $6.2 million guaranteed (via <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin">@Rand_Getlin</a>). <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NYG&amp;src=hash">#NYG</a></p>&mdash; Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton) <a href="https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/statuses/443812920146022400">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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tecumseh 03-12-2014 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10483679)
cool, besides the fact that there is still a ****ing entire 2014 season to play.

I mean if this was like the Madden video game where we could sim through it right to 2015, that would be neat. But it isn't, so we still have to watch this team play an entire new season before you get to your "grass is greener/light at the end of the tunnel/Wizard of Oz yellow brick road" dream scenario.
Maybe you should take this season off. Take a mental health break.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484168)
Shut the **** about overpaying him now.
Meh, he sucks in pass protection. Again, Chiefs fans and wanting to hang on to mediocre talent.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10484178)
Meh, he sucks in pass protection. Again, Chiefs fans and wanting to hang on to mediocre talent.
Keep reaching, reerun.

First it was he was going to get overpaid. Now he sucks in pass protection.

Exoter175 03-12-2014 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483666)
I'm anticipating several things here:

1. The Chiefs are only shopping in the bargain bin this offseason, and thus should bring in 4 compensatory picks next year (my guess: a 3rd, two 4ths, and a 5th).

2. The Chiefs could open up cap space for next year by releasing Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and Sean Smith.

If the Chiefs do bring in 4 compensatory picks, they will have 11 picks, 9 picks in the first 5 rounds in 2015.

If the Chiefs do cut those players, which I reckon they might, that would open up about $24m in cap space. On top of the $24m they're already projected to have (pre-Alex Smith and pre-Justin Houston extensions which will take up cap space, and pre-Eric Berry extension, which will free some up), that'll leave the Chiefs with $48m in cap space in 2015.

That should be enough to account for extensions for Smith and Houston, and still have over $30m left over for tons of free agent signings if they so desire, and tons of draft picks to either (a.) trade for talent, or (b.) bring in great talent in the Draft.

Just some food for thought.
Is that accounting for the salary cap carry over? If not, we're going to be sitting closer to (likely) 51-54 million in that scenario.

I'm also thinking of this the same way, I believe we're going to fill depth needs and maybe snag a talent/potential starter or two, but otherwise stay relatively unnoticed in free agency and snag what I believe to be 2 3rds (Albert, Schwartz), a 4th (Jackson) and a 4th/5th (McCluster/Asamoah) depending on production.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484182)
Keep reaching, reerun.

First it was he was going to get overpaid. Now he sucks in pass protection.
He does suck in pass pro. You're going to argue differently?

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:31 PM
2 sacks in 7 games. Wow....he sucks so bad.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:33 PM
Fisher on the other hand gave up 8.5 in 13 games.

RealSNR 03-12-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10484190)
He does suck in pass pro. You're going to argue differently?
As a RG, he's adequate. And for what he signed with the Giants, I'll take adequate. Sign that deal, watch the development of our undrafted/practice squad guys and Kush, and move on.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484203)
2 sacks in 7 games. Wow....he sucks so bad.
Anyone with decent quickness could be Schwartz pretty easily. He's going to get Manning killed if he is playing OT for them.


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