Peppers?

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My buddy getting a pic with Wes Welker and photobomb by Cassel.

I never knew Werkel was Asian. The helmet really does hurt marketability.

lol

Yall did shit the bed this year

:rolleyes: :stupid:

It's because Albert always seems to be fighting nagging injuries, and appearing in a game doesn't tell the whole story.

Most people are comfortable with him leaving because there was no perceptible drop-off last season after he went down.

I don't know how you can dismiss the idea so quickly.

We've has several GM/HCs and seen similar results.

No real push for a super bowl, just try to make the playoffs and keep the stadium full.

they see this year as a throwaway year.

I'd bet that if Stephenson was going to be playing LT this season, people wouldn't be as concerned. He's proven he can play the position.

The only thing Fisher has proven is that he can't handle the opposition's 2nd/3rd best pass rusher.

There's going to be a massive drop off, and even the "unicorns and ice cream" guys are going to be complaining eventually.

So several of us who were very unhappy last year came back after the playoff loss and apologized. We were wrong about Alex Smith. 11-5 was the proof.

If this team wins 5 or 6 games, are all of you guys that think this is great going to do what we did? Or do we have to wait one more year?

You know you had a very desirable schedule as well right?

reerun

Not a cool word.

Yeah. He played for that same raiders defense that let us put up 56 pts. Jackson was pretty good against the run, and crappy against the pass, all chiefs did was flip it. Vance freaking walker still would keep it an F-.

A strange game.

Suicide Planet.

I wish you would step back from the ledge my friend...

Best case scenario is if this season is a carbon copy of 2004.

My fear is it might look a lot like 2007...

OK. Raydurr fan. Same difference.

That's a great comparison. 2006 was the last gasp for the Vermeil era talent.

Perhaps last season was just that for the Herm/Pioli era.

Joshua agrees.

Yeah we sure did 56.

I think Indy just scored again

I think Jamaal Charles just scored on the Raider D again...

Chiefs are going to need to do some great coaching this year, and better production from younger guys in order to get better results this year. I think though Reid showed at San Diego, he is capable of doing it.

All of those guys who couldn't beat out the deadwood starters who just got cut.

Uh huh.

Charles just scored 4 more touchdowns on you while you typed that.

I know, I'm just trying to hang onto something lol

He was knocked the **** out.... Yall would have probably won that game if he was in there

This.

They suck again...

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Anyone who wants top flight money from this franchise gets shat upon by the fan base. It's absolutely ludicrous.

Judging by the last 3-4 years here, Bowe is no better than JJ Birden and Albert was Damion McIntosh.

And of course Larry Johnson was made out to be Donnell Bennett.

Pretty sure this is false. Didn't the majority of the guys we signed last year who were contributors get signed very late in the offseason? To act as though free agency is over is silly.

I'm not so sure. Obviously footwork is a problem for him on the right side. Also, the pass rusher on that side is typically more of a power guy, which Fisher struggled with, which makes even more sense with his footwork on that side.

The last time we played Denver, Von Miller lined up against Fisher every snap. Fisher handled him. Miller really didn't do anything of note. Am I crazy to think this could be b/c Von was a speed guy rather than power?

I don't think it was a PR move at all.

We needed a QB. There wasn't one in the draft that they liked and Smith was exactly what Reid was looking for in a QB - in fact, he tried to get him earlier when he was at the Eagles. Best potential QB signing of the past two drafts and free agency periods in fact. Pretty ****ing savvy move if you ask me.

Sean Smith was the best cornerback available that fit Sutton's press man scheme.

Mike DeVito was familiar with Sutton's defense and provided a relatively inexpensive long term solution to solidifying the defensive line.

The best players on the current Chiefs team are what they are - the best players on the current Chiefs team.

I think you are trying to read too much into this.

Thinking that going out and signing every ****ing guy possible in free agency is a good thing isn't a good thing. You don't win, especially win long term, with that type of plan.

When was the last time the Chiefs had a late round pick "progress" into an NFL starter or some sort of capable full time player?

You have to go back to 2008 in that draft we ended up pissing away the entire core/window and say 5th round pick Brandon Carr

so 6 years later, we are banking on late round picks Catapano, Commings, Kush, ****ing even third round picks like Kelce to step and save the Chiefs. When it hasn't happened in SIX ****ING YEARS. But now all of a sudden in 2014 it's going to? Based on what? false hope? grasping at straws? Hoping Dorsey is a genius? He very well could be, but the fact that he has no insurance policy if this fails and blows up in his face and the fans again turn on another front office in the span of less than 10 years.

How else are they going to save face/spin it if they have a losing season in 2014? There's no excuse if they don't have a winning record with Alex Smith. They sat on their hands and did nothing to improve the roster. So I'm not going to be happy with 8-8 or 9-7 in 2014 and say "hey we did well against a tough schedule and we will have a lot of comp picks now for 2015! See 2014 wasnt a waste we are going to be like Seattle! Seattle! Seattle!"

**** off with that crap

To be fair, Alex only closed the season strong. If he starts the season like he ended last season, he'll do for now.

That's what he earned from me last season, the benefit of the doubt and a chance to sit me up this season. We'll wait and see.

Larry wasn't that good.

Though, I agree that the Albert/McIntosh comparison is valid.

Actually. Walker is known for being a run stuffer. The fact that he's a better rusher than T Jax is just icing.

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Holy shit.

I agree.

I wouldn't get so down on a lot of these guys not beating out the incumbent starter. First of all a known is always safe. Second, there is a big difference between a guy who isn't there physically, and one who isn't there mentally. Third, those guys got to prove where they were against San Diego.

Well to be fair with the schedule they might actually be right.

I couldn't have said this any better.. Though I'm not angry at this point. I'm just disappointed that the team has handicapped themselves from rebuilding properly by delaying the process multiple seasons.

So theres no excuse if they don't have a winning record, yet you'd be pissed with 9-7?

Dude, they are building properly.

Finally.

Dorsey has a literal army of scouts working for the team. There's two coaches at every position. They've hired some of the best position coaches in the league.

This is not Pioli trying to do the scouting, managing and personnel all by himself. This is not Peterson signing one impact player every five years, filling the gaps with overpriced free agents and then heading to Aruba.

These guys are going about it the best way possible.

It's going to take time.

Relax.

Have fun.

Enjoy what comes from it, but don't expect Super Bowl in year two of a rebuild that was coming off the worst four year stretch in franchise history.

****.

Finally. About time. /Herm in '08

Just wait, things will get better!

/Chiefs fans, Est. 1997

If you're not seriously contending for championships then you're better off jettisoning veterans and acquire young players for experience.

Problem is KC went all in by trading for a QB and screwed up their draft position in a year that looks to be laden with talent. Meanwhile they'll play tougher opponents without seriously improving their roster so they'll "underachieve" in 2014 but won't lose enough games to get a high draft pick in what looks to be a shallow draft.

In short, the Chiefs are beginning to swirl the mediocrity drain.

We can draft a QB after Alex retires, just wait a little longer!

Hopefully the most wonderful perfect prospect will come out that year so we can feel justified in blowing a first rounder on a QB!

You don't want to draft the next Ryan Leaf! It could set your franchise back years!

Not really.

Herm was a shitty head coach. And he cycled through assistants like crazy in an effort to keep his own job.

And 2008 was a full on **** up.

This is not Herm's 2008 team. They haven't gone full reerun rookie mad. Core players with good experience are the backbone of this team and will be augmented by well researched rookies through the draft.

This is nearly a polar opposite of that 2008 disaster that was the impetus for the Pioli reign of terror.

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say to you.

So you were wrong last year, but not this time?

Some were so sure it was the wrong move last year, they won 11 games and made the playoffs. Yet now they're wrong again, before we've seen any actual games.

I dunno, did they not earn any trust?

C'mon...

Neither Reid nor Dorsey have sat on their hands in terms of grooming QB's under high level incumbents at the position.

What was KC's record against playoff teams last year? Or teams with a winning record?

Took the words outta my mouth :clap:

Raiders made huge moves, broncos still made moves, Yet we are content with making our team less "skilled" as 2013.. unless we have big moves coming or drafting a WR/TE #1, and a magic #2, then i have doubts..

HAHA that's pretty funny, Cassel looking like a douche.

So we are back to this again?

Jesus Christ.

You are not contending for a championship by keeping and overpaying veterans capable of attaining only mediocrity.

If you were banking on Albert, Asamoah, Jackson and McCluster to bring this team a championship, you better ****ing start looking for some serious enlightenment as it relates to your football expectations and understandings because that's some dumb as shit thinking right there.

'08 was a full on effort to rebuild, which netted the likes of Albert, Flowers, and Charles in the draft, some of the very same players whom the team relies upon today.

Factor in Bowe, Hali, and DJ, and we have much of the same "core" that people laud currently.

Herm couldn't coach for shit, but he was absolutely part of the process when actual talent was brought on board, and he definitively acknowledged the correct role of the draft.

While he couldn't execute to save his life, I do believe that Herm understood the correct process-level approach.

We may well have just broken even, but you cant solely blame Walker for a 50 burger... I don't see him as some huge upgrade, but these days gimme the better pass pressure over run prowess, I still think he puts us in a better spot at DE.

"Enjoy the Rebuild"

Est 2008. Chiefs Way

Coming off being the worst team in the league and the worst season in chiefs history, were you expecting them to be more than we saw last year?

I'm curious, you've always been one of piolis biggest critics, so if he was as bad as you say, should we not be in somewhat of a rebuild? Or did he bring in so much talent that it's not warranted?

Again you miss the point as usual.

The Chiefs had several needs even before losing their 5 free agents and they have done next to nothing to address any of these needs.

Most people aren't upset by the loss of any of the Chiefs free agents, with the exception of Schwartz.

The problem is the Chiefs have been comatose this offseason and have failed to add any impact players in free agency.

So unless you think that the Chiefs are realistically going to fill all of their needs in the draft (with only 6 draft picks and no pick in the 2nd round)… it seems unlikely that the Chiefs will be able to improve on last season (especially against a tougher schedule).

Explain how it is a good thing that the Chiefs will likely be taking a step back next season.

Nope. But I don't see how trading for a QB makes any sense last year.

They should have traded Albert last season. They should have signed a seat warmer QB and taken a chance on a rookie that would've best fit Reid' system and let Bowe play on a franchise tag. If no QB was worth taking last year then they should have found a way to get extra picks in this year's draft to have the firepower to get a guy like Manziel or Bridgewater or whoever.

But they didn't and have set themselves up with a very hard road to improve the team for the next few seasons.

So we all agree Reid has a great system for qbs and is great working with qbs, yet we don't agree with the one he most wanted?

I agree in regards to Albert.

Why does it have to be a rookie qb best fit Reid's system? Obviously they feel smith fits said system better than anyone available.

The Chiefs core group… all of those Pro Bowl players are in the prime of their careers right now. Alex Smith is 30 with an extensive injury history, Jamaal Charles turns 28 this year December, Hali is 30, etc.

So by the time the Chiefs rebuild all of the holes around this core group they are going to have to start replacing players IN the core group.

A constant state of rebuilding… the Chiefs way.

And apparently you are happy with that.

Pioli is a moot point when you trade for a 29 year old QB for two draft picks. I'd be fine with a rebuild if you weren't giving away picks for a soon to be now 30 year old QB in year 2.

If you wanna rebuild that's fine, tank the seasons, keep your picks, and use those 2nd rounds to build a core.

Seattle punted their first two seasons on shitty QBs and kept their draft picks.

This team painted itself in a corner to its fans by bringing in Alex Smith and Andy Reid won me over as a gigantic Alex Smith fan in year 1. Alex Smith's play for the Chiefs is some of the best QB play in a QB league we have seen on the Chiefs since Trent Green. So how dare I as a fan want them to put as much talent around him like DV did with Green even if it means sacrificing future years or cap money. I don't give a shit what happens in 2016 or 2017 if it means a chance to win in 2014 or 2015 with a guy that A) has been to an NFC Championship B) has shown he can win in the playoffs C) Will be better than whatever QB we draft/backup we trade for after him. Alex Smith bucks the trend of shitty retread backups we trade for because unlike the Bonos and Grbacs, Alex Smith is actually a decent NFL QB. He falls in that tier of a Cutler or Rivers that can move a ****ing offense.

This isn't a position where we have Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel as our QB options or Matt Schaub and Matt McGloin, we have a capable NFL starting QB that can win and I'm not sure why you would want to tread water with that for future picks?

You sold me on Alex Smith and I became a fan, now I want you to win something with him. How does that make me a bad fan?

Sacc, I think the point you're missing is that very few, if any, people were wanting a drunken spending spree...

a) we didn't have the money, even if we redid a few guys deals.

b) most people these days are savvy enough to understand that that's not the way to remain relevant.

Most seem only to have wanted 2 players, and atleast in my mind, they didn't have to be marquee guys, just solid, youngish vets who could step right in, produce and give us so many more options in the draft.

2 legit starters, one for each side of the ball... I just don't see how that's asking too much.

I agree. And I never said you were a bad fan, nor do I think they feel they're rebuilding.

They're banking in this core being good enough, and along with their coaching, being able to develop players around them now.

It's a risk sure.

But again, I'm not sure how many times this current core has ha the same exact system am philosophies 2 straight years. Perhaps with continuity in said system, they don't need more high prices free agents

Tell me who is a better QB than Smith based on the last two free agency periods and last two drafts?

The Seahawks traded a 3rd and fell 20 spots in the second for Whitehurst.

The next year, they did NOTHING in free agency.

The problem is them sitting still while other teams "try" to upgrade is making some fans concerned, including myself.

Yea you don't "win" in FA, but even the GOOD franchises, that actually win Super Bowls, they still go after a decently sized FA once every year.

The problem with the Chiefs is they would rather sign 5 or 6 JAGs to these shitty small 3-12 million contracts (Mays, Fasano, Devito, Walker, Avery, etc) rather than just signing ONE quality FA to a mid sized 25-30 million contract.

You have to pick your spots carefully. Seattle decided to splash on Percy Harvin and let Golden Tate walk a year later, probably because they are deep at WR and can replace him in a WR deep draft coming up. But a guy like Michael Bennett is VERY important to hand out a mid sized contract to because good pass rushers are a lot rare than 800 yard WRs.

Steelers cut Lamarr Woodley, let Emmanuel Sanders walk but decided to hand out a decently sized contract to a 26 year old hard hitting safety coming off a career year that fits Steelers football to a 25 million dollar deal.

These teams don't just sign 5 JAGs to shitty small contracts. They use their draft picks to fill those holes, then identify important positions like pass rusher, safety and hand out a decently sized contract to one quality FA.

It's all about picking your spots, and so far to me, John Dorsey hasn't picked the right spots in FA. these 3-12 million dollar JAG players don't cut it for me, they are band aids that look awful on Sunday because they are below par players.

I would rather have signed Jarius Byrd at the price of a Mays, Walker, Devito, Fasano, Avery and then fill their spots with the rookies/UDFAs than band aid all those positions with average guys + one rookie at FS like they are currently doing.

The Seahawks didn't do anything in 2011.

The pats didn't do anything 2012 or 2013.

Tell me about the five years of aggressive free agent moves the niners have made.

This idea that great teams are consistently aggressive I'm free agency is a ridiculous myth. Most great teams go through phases of pretty aggressive and sometimes very inactive.

And give me a break... The Steelers rarely us free agency.

If by nothing you mean handing out a 5 year 34 million dollar deal to Zach Miller and a 5 year 40 million dollar deal to Sidney Rice as NOTHING in FA in 2011. Then yea sure, I guess that's "nothing" in FA.

If that's nothing I can't imagine what the Chiefs are currently doing.

Vance Walker last year had 3 sacks (career high before- 3), 29 tackles (career high before-21) and 11 ast. (career high before-11), has played 5 yrs in NFL

Tyson Jackson last year had 4 sacks (career high before-3) 24 tackles (career high before- 37) and 9 ast (career high before-18), has played 5 yrs in NFL



Eleven 3-4 defensive ends got more pressure in 2013 than Jackson has generated in five years in Kansas City. He has posted just 38 pressures in his pro career. To put that into some perspective, J.J. Watt notched 85 last season alone, more than twice as many.

Vance Walker totaled 41 pressures – or three more than Jackson has in his entire career – for the Raiders in 2013

Jackson’s 38 career pressures statistic provided on average 0.5 quarterback pressures per game over his career in Kansas City (74 games).

It is virtually impossible for the Chiefs to get less pass rush production from Jackson’s spot on the defensive line. But pretty tough to get excited about his replacment

And who would that be?

Personally, I'm glad that Sanders went with the Donkeys. I think he's mediocre and provides us with the ability to fill that hole with a better talent such as Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks or Marquis Lee.

On the defensive side of the ball, we just don't need the injuries that we suffered at the end of the season. Who is going to be a starter for this team on that side of the ball as it related to free agency versus what they can get in the draft?

2014 was a shitty free agency. I frankly don't care that they didn't make any major signings through that avenue.

We have a couple of guys who they were hoping to be impact players last season in Kelce and Sanders. We've got the whole team and coaching staff with a year under their belt now.

They will build the team. Through the draft in 2014.

I don't see how that is a head first dive off the bridge versus signing and overpaying for a couple of mediocre talents in the free agent market.