If that top SS produces like a top FS, and has the ability to be transitioned into either role, then what difference does it make? You pay him as a top Safety, regardless if it's free or strong.

Again, Berry IS NOT POLLARD.

I cannot stress this enough.

Oh bullshit. Jared Allen wasn't a legit concern. That was Carl Peterson being Carl Peterson.

I ****ing hated the Jared Allen trade. I would ****ing hate an Eric Berry trade. I ****ing hate losing good players, but clearly each of us believes there are circumstances that COULD exist where it makes sense.

I'm not saying those "ifs" are going to happen, but I'm pointing out there is an actual situation where trading our best defensive player makes sense. Just the same way you think there was a situation where trading our best defensive player made sense.

I don't want it to happen, but I hope the chiefs consider every possibility.

paying Berry like a top FS is certainly a possibility

There is still a difference in terms of impact for the safety positions. This is a passing league and having a Safety that can stop the deep passes and get INTs is more valuable than LB/SS. jmo

Historically, the Chiefs have paid players who deserved to be paid and retained. They just haven't brought enough of those players onto the team in the first place.

They have overpaid a few people (i.e., Bowe) but for the most part they haven't signed terrible contracts for old veteran players.

How can you say it wasn't a legit concern?

He was 1 offense away from a year long suspension. That isn't a concern? That's not something Peterson made up. That was a the reality of the situation. I understand that Peterson used it as a cop-out....but it doesn't change the fact that it was in fact a real risk.

And of course there might be an actual situation in which unloading Berry makes sense, but it's unlikely to happen. I don't see $$$ as a reason to give up an All Pro player. The only plausible situation is if A) We have the chance to draft another Premier prospect or B) Some team offers up a stupid amount of picks.

The odds of either of those happening are slim to none.

So then what is the value of a player who does all of the above, which Berry has done?

Berry gets just as many INTS as Thomas, scores TD's once he gets those INTs and can still play in the box and make game changing tackles and sacks.

So why exactly doesn't he deserve to get paid like a top Safety?

This thought that Berry isn't a gamechanging safety is a bit assinine. Look at his numbers thru 42 games and Earl Thomas numbers thru his first 42 games.

Berry is a candidate to have a HUGE year this year, thus making him want more money.

He was. Dj usually makes the adjustments for the box, and FS or SS will adjust the coverage based on the wr's/te's formations.

A passing league that favors the spread offense, which is best defended by 'big nickel' packages utilizing players at the LOS that can play the run, rush the passer or cover someone. Most of the time this is 2 players of Berry's caliber.

I don't understand it either. People wan't to compare him to Thomas as if that is suppose devalue Berry when in fact, with all things considered, that argument would FAVOR Berry to have the larger contract.

The fact that Berry can produce as well as Thomas while adding an extra LB dimension to his game should speak favorably for Berry.

Make no mistake people, Eric Berry is getting paid, and he WILL be the top paid safety in the league.

And if the Chiefs aren't the ones paying, some other team will. And some asshole on some other team's message board is going to be saying, "**** YEAH" and we'll be sitting here saying the same exact shit we always say....

"Typical Cheaps".

Ah, ok. I always remember hearing about Kendrick Lewis making sure people were in the right position and just assumed they meant the entire defense.

That was always a head scratcher for me.

I'm not worried about them overpaying Berry. I'm worried about Berry not agreeing because he wants to be overpaid in Atlanta.

Playing in his hometown for the GM that drafted him.

dumbasses

Will he play safety or linebacker as he did quite a bit last season.

Atlanta Chiefs. This is a VERY real possibility.

Why not? The statistics show this defense isn't that much better with him anyway

Why does trading Berry continue to be a topic? It's not going to happen. Not only would it be a terrible PR move, but the haul that a team would have to give up for him is too big an ask to be realistic.

Dorsey loves Reids Dick in a Box

Trade him for Suh

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Imagine if we got two firsts or a combination including a 2nd out of this though....

Realistically we would probably get a 1st and 3rd for him.

No one who's drafting high enough for it to be worth it would ever offer that.

Berry isn't going anywhere, unless Dorsey is a complete pioli-esque fraud he recognizes the mans value, a bird in hand...

Big Andy likes Cooks... you fat, lovable bastard you!

Most don't, but some, no matter how much you brace them for the things to come (free agency cough cough), still manage to get their panties in a wad.

Houston is a viable trade option.

He got his sacks in bunches against rookies last season. When he faced regular, experienced tackles, he disappeared. He can be upgraded and we won't get saddled with a massive contract that he'll most likely be looking for.

Berry is going nowhere. You trade him, might as well trade Charles and load up on picks lol

San Fran's first and one of their seconds would be acceptable.

Might as well trade Poe too. He got half his sacks off a rookie C and another 1.5 against the worst team in the league and didn't get any sacks the 2nd half of the season.

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he also gets double teamed or chipped almost every ****in play but Tyson Jackson was useless on his side as a pass rusher in 1 on 1 matchups so it didnt matter

bob sutton also drops him into coverage too much because WE HAVE NO ****ING pass covering LBers besides DJ and still ****ing dont. Thanks Joe Mays, so Houston drops way more than he should. When they cut Tamba and Houston becomes the full time rushbacker your post becomes moot

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It would be a simple fix then. Take a SS in this draft (Telvin Smith, Ahmad Dixon, Deonne Buccanon, etc) and kick Berry back to FS. Problems solved with the rookie and Abdullah rotating at the SS position until someone proves themselves the clear starter.

Here's the question...

Would you trade

Berry

for

Haha Clinton Dix/Jimmy Ward/Calvin Pryor + Devante Adams/Donte Moncrief/Jared Abbredis + another 7 million to spend on other free agents?

If somebody offers a first and third for him, that's the discussion we are having.

Almost fell out of my chair ROFL

Abbrederis? Are we getting a 5th round pick out of this Berry deal to get him?ROFL

Good lord, no

He didn't disappear. What pass rusher is going to get to the QB when he knows to target Cooper and Lewis the instant the ball is snapped? Not to knock on Cooper, because he will get better, but the first season he had a bullseye on his back.

the problem is the NFL is very tight with draft picks. Who was the last person traded for a first and third? Jared Allen in 2008 I can think of, and that was 6 years ago. Doesnt happen that often

I was just using tat set of picks as an example because it had been mentioned.

IMO we would be lucky to get a first for him.

Lets say we would get a first for him and use the pick to select Jimmy Ward/Haha Clinton Dix/Calvin Pryor

One of those guys plus 8 million to spend in free agency (the difference between what Berry will cost and what a first round pick costs)

If we could turn Berry into something like

TJ Ward and Jimmy Ward, I'd be willing to listen.

What teams did to us in the second half of the season was simple.

Double team Poe in the middle.

Force Hali and Houston to rush wide.

Single block our ineffective 4th man on the DL.

Go for quick hitting routes and throw it deep against our inexperienced guy in Cooper or anyone that Lewis is lined up against.

You are mad.

And Herm Edwards, and Romeo Crennel....

Dorsey, like most GM's at this time, likes most everything...

No **** this stupid ass trade Berry bullshit.

No. Go **** yourself with an AIDS dildo and shut the **** up!!!!!

Do you watch football?

I really haven't chimed in about Cooper, but the fact is, he was almost always in pretty good position when he was getting picked on.

The failure was almost always the fact that he he had no help over the top.

trade our all-pro safety...so that we can draft a safety


we are the chiefs

Yeah, but sometimes he would lose track of his guy and kind of fall off when he was locked up going deep. That was especially evident against Decker and Thomas; he did the same things earlier in the season a few times but those QBs didn't have anywhere near the same precision and timing that Manning or Rivers had. The encouraging thing to me though, is that I think he did improve after that slump in play. He's one of the few rookies from last season that I would be confident in saying that he will definitely be an improved player in 2014.

The other two would be Eric Fisher and Knile Davis. I like Catapano but I want to see him steal more snaps and I'm not quite sure how he'll carry his extra 20+ pounds. Kelce and Commings are a toss up at this point.

There are a couple of times when he did lose track, but that was really no more than a handful of plays.

If they trade him I'm immediately chalking next year up to Could Give a ****.

Exactly, and the issue started causing them to adjust how they covered their guy because they knew that there was essentially no help over the top.

The whole "extra 8 million dollars in salary cap" thing sounds nice, but it means jack shit now. Would have been real useful when Jairus Byrd was on the market.

Would I have traded Berry for a first, third, and enough money to sign Byrd? Yes. Yes, I would have... back in February.. But now? I don't give a shit about 8 million dollars next year. This team hasn't won nearly enough games to warrant trading one of your best players away and getting virtually nothing in return for a year. All you're doing is downgrading at safety and earning some interest on the cash.

:clap::clap::clap:

Trading Berry to save money doesn't square with savings from Flowers' likely departure and the general CP feeling that the salary cap is a mirage.

It doesn't make any sense unless you think you're selling high on him. We almost certainly wouldn't get more than a mid or low first for him, which means we've just pissed away a mountain of draft value from before, when we took him at #5.

Doesn't make any sense even if you disregard what happens between the lines.

Dorsey says No.

Nothing out before the draft was anything more than smokescreen and window dressing.

A nun with a huge porno collection is easier to read.

This thread is hilarious.

LMAO at this whole thing.

He really loved them.
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Those smokescreens really worked out for the best huh, he made the entire league think that the gaping holes at FS and WR in the roster were actually a concern of his when in reality, he was actually looking for backups for Hali and starters on special teams! Brilliant!

BUTTHURT ALERT!!!

Wonderful incite. Don't forget to post virtually the same negative droll of a worn out opinion in every thread regarding the draft. I'm rooting for each one to be an improvement over the last that was the intellectual equivalent of a rabbit turd. As others sharing your same position but with the added bonus of use of their frontal lobe ceaselessly map out the basics of your obsolescent articulation I know many will wait in frenzied anticipation of how next you will manage to regurgitate another string of words into nothing more than a vapid marker of one's hollow existence shamelessly once again falling upon the ears of a mass that could not spare any more than double the ****s.



That's how much of a waste of time your posting has been in the draft threads.

EaD.

tl;dr

learn2not use run on sentences ROFL

He was a virtual fog machine.