This. Take that 3rd rounder and run.

Athans hot takes are amazing

oh

atlanta?


anyone know the cap ramifications for us?

They should swing a deal with Carolina for him. They just freed up 4m more in cap space and need a "name" CB in a big way. A 2nd (56th overall) would be fair.

His current cap hit is $10.5 million. $7 million of that would be dead money. So roughly $3.5 million in cap room cleared.

thanks

he's not as bad as he looked last year, imo...but we have younger guys to sign

might as well do it

Plus the $7 million in cap room we'd get next year.

start dreamin...a 3rd for flowers and trade down for another pick

now we're talking

yes


time to be ruthless in the service of winning....plus, if it is Atlanta (thanks pioli!), we could be talking a high 3rd

Maybe Houston? Crennel is running the defense now.

Take the 3rd.

I don't think Houston is that dire at CB. Johnathan Joseph is starting to wear down some, but eh so is Flowers. Kareem Jackson is actually starting to rebound.

He fits perfectly in that Tampa 2 with Lovie. Hell I'd even take a high 4th

If Tampa is offereing a 3rd, take it.

No need to take a high 4th.

They already have two CBs in Verner and Banks.

Banks was a bit of a weak link in that secondary last season. Lovie may want to bring in a veteran like Flowers..

Banks was a weak link because he was a zone corner that they forced into man cover role. Banks should excel under Lovie.

He's still a young guy and a relative unknown.

I'm not saying it's a smart move or the one they'll make but picking up a guy like Flowers would make sense for them.

Rumor has it Flowers might end up with Atl.

Berry too, and Houston, hali Carr and Baldwin
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I'll take their 3rd.

So Denver...

It shows on overthecap that Flowers cap hit for 2015 is 11.5m

If we trade him this offseason his remaining bonus money would accelerate to this years cap and tat whole 11.5 would clear for 2015, right?

I am in no ways a salary cap person....but if you're right....then that means trading him would only give us $2 million this year?

what about a trade of Flowers for Glennon?

No.

Starting CB for 1 season for backup QB for the foreseeable future?

No, thanks.

3.5 saved this year and 11.5 next year.

Give that money to Justin Houston and use the depth of this draft class to replace Flowers.

All in all, I think we can realistically get a mid third for him because his base salaries (all that a team that trades for him has to worry about paying him) are very reasonable.

They are basically trading for Flowers on a 3year 18 million dollar deal.

If I'm a team in need of a CB, I'd give up a third for that in a heartbeat...a logical landing spot would be Chicago IMO.

This. Call me crazy but I see the Niners as our perfect partner for this trade. They have a desperate need for a corner, and a feeling that they need to keep up with the Seahawks. More importantly, they have a ton of picks to spare. Being that they're a late round pick the price would be steeper, but would anyone be interested? Say a first and three other picks? 1st, 2nd, and 2 4's?:hmmm:

I'd prefer not to do business with the 9ers if at all possible. Those guys fisted us on the Alex Smith trade..

:spock:

Nobody is gonna give up anywhere near that much to move up a few spots at the end of the first, Blackbob.

An Alex Smith hater ay? I'll take the last 10 weeks of offense on repeat and be a happy man this year, but I just think it's a team like that with extra picks. Lions are in a win now mode and have been open about wanting to make moves. Say they don't get there guy, the top 2 WR's are gone, Gilbert gone, Matthews gone, is #10 too valuable for them to trade? Even if it's not a 1st this year, Detroit might be the trade partner as well.

Have you seen the amount of picks Harbaugh has? These teams are in win NOW modes, that is the whole point of pondering this. Flowers has huge value to a team who feels they are one piece away, I bet the Giants wouldn't have signed Thurmond and DRC as quickly as they did if they knew this would happen.

I think I would make that trade. Glennon went 19 TD, 9 INT as a rookie. Andy Reid has a history with QBs and can make him look like Nick Foles.

Dude is still on a cheap rookie contract.

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Smith provided a LOT more value this year than Flowers did.

If you think Chiefs got fisted, then why not look at this as getting even?

Twice as much, according to Pro Football Reference. Approx Value of 13 vs Flowers of 7. By comparison Peyton Manning led the NFL at 19. So the gap from Manning to Smith was equivalent to the gap from Smith to Flowers.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...ar_by_year.htm

Mike Glennon is exactly the type of QB that a team would sink 6 or 7 years into, thinking he's the answer, only to find out in the end that he's not.

He doesn't have the upside I want in a QB, at all.

:shrug:

I dont think he is any worse than Joe Flacco or Eli Manning....and their teams were able to win a superbowl with them.

I dont mind trading Flowers at all.

However it would be criminally stupid to trade Eric Berry unless it's some kind of ridiculous deal like a top 10 pick this year, someone's first next yr and a 2nd or 3rd the following year.

Which that would never happen....so therefore it's stupid as shit to trade Eric Berry.

I don't think he has the mental makeup that those guys do. At all.

I hope it's just the 49ers and not Dorsey.


i imagine the Chiefs would love to move Flowers for a 3rd and would jizz if they could get a 2nd.

NO ....

He's a QB, of course he did. But his value compared to Flowers last season means nothing in this debate.

We have up a 2.1 and another 2nd rounder in "TEH DEEPIST DRAFT THE LAST 20 YEEEZ!!!" for a guy that was probably worth no more than a 3rd at the time.

I don't want to trade Berry, either, but that's just ridiculous. Two firsts and a second?

His $ for a QB vs. Flowers $ for a DB.......was money well spent for the QB, not so much for Flowers

If the playoff game is any indication, that money was extremely well deserved.

It's best to draft a CB round 1, stand firm at your asking price for a #2, and ultimately end up with a 2018 comp pick.

newsflash: chiefs open to shitting down their legs year after year.

ROFL

People put too much stock into PFF's final grade.

Flowers had the toughest assignments of any of KC's corners. Cooper and Smith gave up more TD's. Flowers IIRC got beaten pretty bad by Dez Bryant, but held his own against other top WRs. He held DJax to 3 receptions, Welker to 3 in the 2nd matchup. Not much help over the top, etc.

They will need to restructure his deal for next year, but to act like some 3rd+ round draft pick is going to come in and easily replace him is just a pipe dream.

Flowers is a bad fit for Sutton's D.

He's not fast enough to cover man on man with no safety help and that seems to be pretty much the coverage Sutton runs more often than not.

Sutton asked him to shadow some of the most productive receivers last year. Except for Bryant, he did pretty well.

So basically, Flowers turned QBs into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers last year. Despite playing on a team with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.


Oh - and he's constantly hurt and makes a lot of money and he's old for a corner. Yeah I'd say every team wants a guy just like that at LCB.

Smith and Cooper gave up more touchdowns because they were covering deep.

Flowers was playing the slot most of the year

:facepalm:

You realize that Flowers graded out as the worst cover corner who got significant playing time on our team right?

... And Jamaal wasn't a top 100 player in 2012....

... When he ran for 1,500 yards...

... Yeah....

So you're saying you think Flowers was great in coverage last season? Anyone who payed attention to the CB play in 2013 would have seen that he was easily the worst of our top 3 corners.

So trade Flowers for a 3rd or Berry for a 2nd. Hmmmm

Flowers, yes, Berry, no.

How many times were the other CBs asked to shadow the #1 WR the entire game? Flowers did it 5 times having 1 bad game.

Anyone who paid attention could see Flowers was the only CB who could keep up with TY.

Flowers shadowed Demaryius Thomas when we played the Broncos?

He was on Keenan Allen the whole game against the Chargers?

He shadowed Josh Gordon?

Well I guess he did a damn good job last season then considering the fact that those Wrs did nothing against our def . . . oh wait.:rolleyes:

Not great but far from 95th worst or whatever bullshit PFF is peddling.

I'd argue Smith was our best, followed by Flowers, and then Cooper.

We can use those picks to solidify the O-Line.

No, those picks are too low. You solidify your interior o-line tonight.

There is a consistency among various sites in where Flowers was ranked compared to our two other top corners.

PFF, Bleacher Report, you name it, Flowers was consistently graded out as the worst starting CB on the team. Even if you don't fully agree with where he was ranked overall, there's something to the fact that all of the sites tend to agree that he was our worst performer in 2013.

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Is Brandon Flowers worth a 2nd round pick? #Lions have interested I've been told, unsure if it's been reported yet.

This guy is pulling shit directly out of his butt.

I don't even know what that last sentence is supposed to mean.

Flowers for a 2nd would be awesome for both parties. We can't afford that kind of money tied up into our secondary.

Because it's not in English...

Stooges

Please......PLEASE stop pronouncing your fanhood, you are a ****ing disgrace.

It all comes down to this:

Brandon Flowers isn't a very good fit in Bob Sutton's scheme and it showed in his poor play. His bad tape is confirmed by every player ranking/evaluating site that I've read out there. The general consensus outside of Chiefs Kingdom is that Flowers had a very poor year in coverage; he was our 3rd best corner behind Cooper and Smith.

If we could get a 2nd or even a 3rd for Flowers I would be ecstatic.

I could live with Flowers for a 2nd. But Berry for just a 2nd? Ya right. I'm not trading Berry. Nice try. I'm locking Poe, Houston, and Berry up. Have a stud at all three levels.

I agree with this

LOLWUT? Go suck your uncles dick again.

Bleacher report sucks though