I certainly think that putting him back at his natural position will make him better.

I was impressed that Fisher improved as an RT as the season went along. It was a square peg/round hole situation to begin with but he worked at it enough to become serviceable. To me, that says a lot.

I expect Fisher to perform well. Stephenson has already proven himself to be a legitimate NFL OT (on both sides). Hudson and Allen have another year under their belt. And it's time for Rishaw Johnson to test his mettle.

I think we're fine.

I think the rookie contracts have changed the face of the NFL.

High dollar positions like QB, OT, OG, and pass rushers, are at a premium early in the draft because they would break the bank if you wanted to sign a stud in free agency. The same goes if you have a good player who's at the end of his contract. Just look at Oakland, they let Houston walk and then drafted Mack. Smart move, Mack is obviously younger, more talented, and cheeper. Houston's cap hit this year is over 5m, and increases to 7m for the following 3 years, and the final season is 9m.

Again, you are only looking at the first year of the deal, i.e. a car payment instead of the total cost.

The main thing Schwartz wanted was a multi year deal. I don't blame him, but there was no way he was going to be signed to another short term deal by the Chiefs.

You're dumb.

A football contract is not a baseball contract. A football contract is worth as much as its guaranteed money. In this case its $2mil for Mays and $4.7mil for Schwartz.

Keep acting like Schwartz got a huge deal.

Yeah, over twice as much. I don't agree with giving Mays a 2 million signing bonus, seems extreme, but Schwartz wanted a multiple year contract.

My biggest concern for the line is Fishers health, if that elbow and shoulder hold up I believe he'll be fine back at his natural position, he graded as a true first rounder for a reason and as long as he's working hard he'll live up to that IMO.

Whats nice is that if he pans out like I think, we'll have pretty damn decent bookends.

"Over twice as much"

ROFL

$2.7mil is just too much to spend to keep practice squad players off the starting line. Much better to save that miniscule amount of money and go buy the bum Joe Mays. Nevermind that both players can be cut next year and the teams save damn near the same amount of money.

Hope that happens, but I'm not holding my breath.

the thing is there's no continuity with this line

next year we could (will) have a new center. They can't afford to keep Hudson no different than they couldnt keep Asamoah or Schwartz

following year Stephenson will be overpaid in FA.

Jeff Allen is also gone in that span

So in the next 2 years we could (will) have a new center, new starting tackle and a new LG. The only guy really under control is Fisher lol.

This is the problem with the Chiefs being so close to the cap, they wont be able to afford any of these guys because there will be more important players on the roster to spend money on. The lines going to look completely different in 2 years again.

The plan all along was to waste two 2nd rounders on Alex Smith, then STILL draft his replacement anyway while not giving him any help in order to get rid of him quicker so that Murray can take over. Makes sense? K.

Good thing we drafted their replacements the last 2 years.

so the line in 2015/2016 could have even LESS experience than the line going into 2014. lol

CP1: I wish we would build through the draft…

CP2: Yeah, and screw drafting for need, we need to take the BPA.

CP1: No $hit.

CP2: Man, our offensive line makes me nervous, they are so young.

CP1: Yeah, wish we would have signed a FA starting guard. I mean, it's nice and all that we have drafted our entire o-line except for Rishaw Johnson, who was also a rookie last year, but c'mon, how are we going to compete with such a young inexperienced line.

CP2: I hear ya. Can't believe we didn't draft a guard in the first round. I mean we lost Asamoah and Schwartz in the offseason. Dumb not to fill that need in the early rounds this year.

:D

Show us where anyone is making that kind of argument.

Dipshit.

Milky are you trolling? Because that was basically the post draft discussion last night. :hmmm:

I don't think that anyone ever honestly felt like we should have taken an OG with our first pick. It would not have helped with the experience on our OL.

saccopoo is the only person I've seen contend that we should have drafted an O-Lineman with the first pick.

And that isn't the argument that the dipshit was poking at, anyway.

I don't know that Oline is going to be a problem at all.


I worry about health along the Oline as much as anything.


I still think WR is the weakest position on offense, followed by TE.

Keep ****ing doubting Demetrius Harris (he said, said dripping with sarcasm).

as far as i can tell, Dorsey has just said 'it's on Reid to create offense from scheme, so i can clean the books by drafting replacements'

You mean if it surpasses our expectations then we'll be impressed?

What giant tools we all are!

Here's another unforeseen problem.

Fisher is our LT. Stephenson is our RT. Let's also assume Allen is our LG. Now check out the depth we have behind them and whether they have experience playing on the right or left side:

Rishaw Johnson: RG
Jeff Linkenbach: RG and RT
Dr. Frenchie: RT
Zach Fulton: RG
Otis Hudson: RG
Rokevious Watkins: LG

Unless you count losers like Ricky Henry and Colin Kelly, who are unknowns in terms of fit, our backup OGs and OTs are predominantly right side players.

Either we try to turn some of them into swing guards, or we're probably going to get screwed.

Left guard, right guard... if any of these guys are worth a fat **** it shouldn't matter.

Kick Hudson over to LG and stick Kush in there at C... fixed.

I expect that to go over as well as kicking Mike DeVito over to CB and sticking Brandon Flowers in at NT

Yeah, that sounds reasonable...

Kush is a center and Hudson, well, Hudson I'm not sure what he is, maybe Johnson is a better, bigger fit... Hudson seems all finesse to me, our interior push in short yardage last year was a joke.

That starts with the center, he's too light and doesn't play angry enough.

we have a few options along the interior of the Oline, we must stay healthy though.

I mean, I was absolutely exaggerating. The image of Mike DeVito playing in Sutton's press man scheme as a CB is hilarious to me.

Kush did very little to impress me in the San Diego game. Most of the successful push that you saw on the interior line that game was due to Rishaw Johnson. Kush could move and get in position for upfield blocks just fine, but always at the expense of slowing down the line enough to let the running play develop. And in pass coverage he was inadequate, and that's putting it gently.

You couple that with moving Hudson to LG, a position he hasn't tried to play since his rookie year in training camp, and I see some disastrous results. That's far worse than just replacing one guy with another and minimizing the depletion that one injury can have.

It's why Stephenson was so valuable last year. Our OL didn't miss a beat when he was in there partly because he could fill in so admirably on BOTH sides. We weren't shifting guys down and replacing this guy for that guy. We were just taking one injured player out and replacing him with Stephenson.

We don't have that this year. If Fisher goes down, Stephenson is going to have to bump back to LT, and a new RT will be the replacement. That means you're putting out a replacement at both OT spots. If Allen goes out, if Rok Watkins isn't on the team, you're gonna need Rishaw Johnson to learn both guard spots. Or Fulton. Or Linkenbach. Or SOMEbody.

You arent taking into account the projected salary cap jumps
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For me, it all comes down to not being a fan of Allen, at ALL... Kush isn't some burgeoning pro bowler I agree, but position for position he looks better at his than Allen does at LG.

Allen doesn't seem to have a strength, average to poor in all areas... not strong, nor fleet of foot, doesn't have good balance, leans into guys way too much, cant adjust to a second move on and on it goes.

I just want him replaced, it would be hard for any of our guys to be worse, IMO.

:rockon:

I have been told that drafting a good guard prospect would have been a stupid thing to do.

Drafting a good guard prospect with the 23rd pick would have been a stupid thing to do.

Wrong. You've been told that drafting a "good guard prospect" in the 1st ****ing round would have been a stupid thing to do. Especially over a pass rusher.

Too late, bitch.

:p

You'd think that, but there was a reason Allen was starting and not the other dudes.

Allen has a very good work ethic and attitude. I see him being significantly better in 2014 than he was last season.

And I'm pretty sure he's the OT swing guy as of right now as well, meaning that if Fisher goes down, Stephenson will move over to LT and Allen will get RT duties with Watkins and Johnson at the guard spots.

Then you'll really get to see the concept of "hard for any of our guys to be worse."

I think what was pleasantly surprising about Kush was that he wasn't a disaster. Keep in mind he came from a very small school and that the new CBA makes it extremely difficult for rookies to learn the game in their rookie season. If that's Kush's floor, I'm looking forward to seeing him compete for the starting job this season with a lot more seasoning. It won't take much to be just as good as Hudson.

Not really, especially with the structured contracts.

And S'ua-Filo has started at LT as well. The guy is pretty talented.

For a team desperate for quality line play/depth, it wouldn't have been a bad pick.

Better than getting a guy who can't do anything other than rush the passer playing behind two Pro Bowlers.

I look forward to Ford's special teams contributions.

With Allen, Hudson, and Kush, I really find little reason to doubt the talent in our interior, the only issue I see is depth, and seriously Rishaw is not that good, some of ya'll overrate him heavily. Fulton adds a little interior depth, which is why I think he makes the team without breaking a sweat this year. I'm curious to see how well the Doc can swap ends.

Hudson's upside is that you can pretty much put him anywhere on the interior and he'll play well. Kush is the more natural Center between them, but I'm not sure Kush is ready for that starting job yet. When he is though, expect Hudson to take LG IMO.

ROFL

Should we be drafting a 1st round offensive lineman next year when Hudson and Stephenson's contracts run out and we elect to save money to spend on more important players?

We had ONE hole in the starting offensive line going into the draft, and you advocated pissing away a 1st rounder on it. Are you a fan of doing this every time we let somebody go just because it wouldn't have been a bad pick?