They could literally take half of the back-up QBs in the league, put them on that team, and they would still make the play-offs with Harbaugh coaching and the strength of their roster. The only thing that Kaepernick adds is the guarantee that you'll choke when it really matters and that you'll be wasting a roster spot if you keep more than 3 WRs on your team.

I think he's saying it should be considered a 6 year deal since the seventh year (this year) was already under contract.

However, it would come down to whether the signing bonus can be amortized over all seven years he is under contract or only over the 6 year life of the extension.

Now... why the **** this is even worth discussing I couldn't begin to tell you. It's just arguing for arguments' sake. Shit is just semantics.

The guarantee is a lot...the only thing about that contract I'm not particularly happy with.

Even more reason to just franchise Smith for a year or 2 and draft his replacement. I can't wait to see what Luck gets when he gets a new contract!

Try using your ****ing head. That's how.

The extension, which is what he reportedly signed, is a 6 year deal. To this point, no reports tell us that this last year was re-done as part of a 7 year deal. That means that the deal is 6 years for up to $120m upon completion of an already agreed upon final year of his earlier deal, not 7 years for up to $120m.

This is basic math.

This. Even when Kaep was asked to throw the ball, Harbaugh kept it simple for Kaep because he isn't capable of operating anything that'll require him to read more than half of the field.

My understanding is that the bonus can be split up over the 7 years because it is an extension. I'll defer if someone can come in with something concrete to the contrary.

So Tebow deserved $61 million guaranteed after 2011 then?

The downfall of SF started a while back.


Harbaugh is going to burn out the team and this contract is going to strap them if Kap doesn't produce.

When he has to become a pocket passer he sucks balls, this was a terrible deal, sorry. As soon as Gore is done he's going to look foolish out there.

I'd love to see Justin Houston shut this dude down permanently when we play. Would serve the 49'ers right.

We can pay Alex Smith, or we can franchise tag him for around 18 mil just for next year or we can draft a QB to keep a lower cap number for that position or go battle with Daniel, Murray or Bray.

I'll be there to see it if he does.

By this statement I suppose you are ready to pay Alex similar type money.

They got Hyde and Lattimore waiting in the wings. 49ers are fine.

They're not going to be as good as Gore though, he's on another level.

Qb contracts are filling the void left by the new CBA with the rookie contracts. Instead of paying ridiculous amounts for unproven rookies, teams are now paying ridiculous amounts for average to slightly above average QBs (Romo, Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, and now Kaepernick). All of these guys should be making around $10-13 mil a year on average, instead they're making $18+ mil a year.

Gore is pretty much used up and Hyde will be a better HB. I really like Hyde's upside in that offense...

If Alex was 24 years old with the potential to be a superstar, I doubt anyone would have issues paying him.

But because Alex is 30 years old and has never once shown that he can play at a high level consistently over his 8? year career - people do have issues.

If that's the going rate for decent to above average QBs.
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They still have their OL, which is one of the most consistently dominant units in the league. Iupati may be leaving them soon though, no way they shell out the $50 mil that it's going to take to keep him. They still have one of the best receiving cores in the league, but that doesn't matter much because they don't have a QB who can take advantage of that. The defense is still a top 5 unit as long as Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Willis, and Bowman are around.

And the other side of the coin are teams that refuse to do so and draft QB's late in the 1st or 2nd and save that money.

If Jay Cutler had played for the Jets, Bills, or Seahawks would they have won more games or been better off?

Seattle won it all with a 2nd year QB and the Jets & Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs with a Cutler anyway...

I think Justin Smith is on his way out...

Is this anything like the $60 mill guarantee for McNabb in Washington that turned out to NOT be guaranteed?

Jakemail is trying to make the contract more palatable by pretending it's a 7 year deal. He seems to need that crutch.

Good point, but you have to keep something in mind for each of the last few guys you mentioned. With Justin Smith you have an age issue, how much longer does he have? I think you will see a drop off with him. Then you have Aldon Smith who is a head case, can he stay out of trouble? Finally you have to worry if Bowman can bounce back from that nasty injury or not. I think they're an organization on the decline imo but I could be wrong. Time will tell.

The other side is teams that focus on building the actual team and winning with the run game and defense instead of forcing the issue with the passing game. Seahawks and 49ers are the prime examples of this.

You know, I'm actually OK with a one read QB. Some systems can be predicated on that. To even be effective at the NFL level, you gotta have a lot of moving parts and be one read. Presnap reads have to be perfect.

I really just suffer from old-man-itis. I like the surgical pocket passers. His style of play just seems like backyard football. Backyard football should be kept in arena league football IMO.

Yep, but now the 49'ers are going to have to re-think things because they will be a member $100MIL QB Club.

your scenario adds up to 100 mil. where's the remaining 26?

So how much is his backup worth?

I don't think you guys understand it as well as you think you do either.

60 guaranteed doesn't mean all 60 is signing bonus, so that's not the number you pro-rate over the life of the contract. You'd need to know how much of that 60 is signing bonus, how much are roster bonuses, how much is guaranteed salary, etc, etc.

And....ouch.

They essentially just made their window smaller.

Vernon Davis is 30 now and has no spectacular traits as a TE beyond his speed. He doesn't have the best ball skills, doesn't have natural hands to consistently high point catches, and disappears against Seattle because Chancellor destroys him everywhere he goes; Kaepernick also seems to have a fetish with throwing the ball in Richard Sherman's direction.

Anquan Boldin is old as well but still plays at a high level. However, he has 2 more years at best and more likely only 1 year.

Justin Smith is turning 35 this year and, while he is still a great player, there has been some noticeable signs of his age slowing him down.

Patrick Willis is 29 and only has 2 more years left, including this year. I'm a big Willis fan, great story if you never heard it, but even I'm not sure if he's still the best MLB on that team anymore. He's likely gone after this contract runs out because of cap issues.

Ray McDonald is turning 30 this year and just had surgery this off-season on a torn bicep. He is only signed through 2016.

Mike Iupati is likely gone next year.

Aldon Smith has tons of legal issues and might be in jail instead of playing football.

Ahmad Brooks is also 30 years old.

IMO, the 49ers have a 2 year window, at best, to win with the current strength of their roster.

Lol at the Niners.

Word on the street is Kap was seen at Lids today buying a brand new Miami Dolphins hat to celebrate the extension.

Not picking on you, because this is more of a board-attitude type thing...

Funny how people are predicting the demise of the Niners because the above players are 30, yet our players in that age range are going to continue to be impact players for another half-decade.

Well... duh.

That's what they said about LaMichael James, look how he turned out.

Absotively, posolutely ****ing ridiculous... in a word, reeruned.

Ands that's all I have to say on this deal.

They're paying him for what they think he can do, not what he's done in the past.

It's ballsy, but I'd rather do that than pay for an over the hill shithouse

So I guess mannings underpaid as a Super Bowl losing qb now?

Don't worry, Elway is running things now.

He'll get paid for years under the table after he retires...

49ers fans better get used to 7 more years of this then.

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Kaepernick isn't going to quit trying to throw over Seahawks defenders any time soon. He's not going to be succeeding any time soon either, lol.

You mean Smith, right?

ROFL

can't be mad at the douche bag for getting paid

LOL @ Alex

Smitty would've *gasp* played it safe and not thrown that, living to fight another down.

Screw Kap and his money, so help me God I'd rather have Smith, let the name calling flow, just don't care... he played the meat of the niners season in their first bowl bid with the Ravens but never gets any credit for it, they and everyone else just plain forgot who took them down most of the road.

In the Bowl vs the Ravens his numbers wouldn't have been as gaudy, but I bet he'd have methodically won.

You bet a guy that's won one playoff game in his career would have methodically won a SB by doing what he's been doing for 9 years?

So you are criticizing them for doing what you advocate? This offseason is the first time the 49ers can extend Kaepernick; same with Wilson and Seattle for next offseason.

...for a chode douche who will quickly wear thin on his team mates

Yep, he took them 11 games into the season just fine, theres no reason to think he couldn't have sat a game or two with the concussion and then came back to carry them on into the postseason.

And given his entire history as a QB, there is no reason to believe Smith would carry anything.

This thread is funny.

Kaepernick gets overpaid, so due to that, Alex Smith should be overpaid.

No, Smith would have thrown a better ball. He would routinely drop deep passes right into Davis' hands. Kaepernick just underthrew that pass enough for Sherman to easily get to it.

Bullshit, he'd finally been under the same system for more than a year and finally had a well rounded team at his command.

The Niners were a JOKE when they drafted him and were for years afterward, lesser players wouldn't have even been around for the renaissance... and, I also believe him to be a classic late bloomer, even his college coach has said as much, he takes a bit to take full command of an offense but when he does its solid.

Anyway, I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks, I'll take Smith over Kap any day and its all based on what I believe about football and not because Smith has an arrowhead on his helmet.

Can't wait for this clown to get owned by Sherman again....duuuuurrrrr I keep challenge him

That offense is basically tailor made for Kaep and his skillset. Hence, to the 9ers, he's worth that much as they know what he can and can't do and have surrounded him with things that will make him successful.

So, no, he's not really overpaid. Overpaid to me as a Chiefs fan? Sure, I dont' know that he would be as successful in Reid's offense.

Overpaid in that offense and system? Nah.

God imagine how much manziel will get...

Unlike Kaepernick, Smith didn't have the luxury of being drafted to a loaded team.

I think he's got huge upside. He willed the 49'ers back in that SB. He made plays up and down the field and I think has he develops and gets more experience that offense will open up as well...

I don't know about that. But, the market is set so I'm not sure what else people expect these teams to do.

LMAO.

If he goes to a Superbowl and AFC championship in his first two years of starting, he will be paid accordingly
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If JMF takes the Browns to the Super Bowl he will own the city of Cleveland.

Ugh...yet another expansion team to go to a SB since the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game...:facepalm:

at this point, 5 years/$80Mil would be a fair deal for Alex

And Colin is worth every penny of it. Better to sign him now before he becomes an elite top 5 QB, than pay him more later. By year 6 people will be saying he is a bargain. :p

The best part of this is the 6 year duration. The team salary cap is soaring and top QBs signing 2 or 3 years from now will be demanding $22- $25 million per year. Better to get Colin locked up at $18.5 then do a 4 year deal where he demands $24 million per year 5 years from now.

I am LOVING the 6 year duration.

He will probably get something similar if not more than Kap's $18.5 million per year.

Kap is Steve Young v.2.01. I am freaking thrilled to be a 49ers fan and thrilled to be watching the ascension of the next 2 elite QBs in the NFL with Andrew Luck and Colin Kaepernick.

How much is a guy like Andy Dalton worth?

I'm guessing he has better stats than Kaep or Wilson?
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I swear on my kids souls I'm not saying this just to slam, but its my opinion that this guy will be a perennial disappointment... flashy and talented enough to keep everyone on the edge of their seats, but he believes too much in his own prowess and probably doesn't study enough.

He's Michael Vick 2.01, not Young, in my honest opinion... give the Falcons era Vick this guys Sgt. Rock team and he could've gotten them deep into the playoffs just as easy, shitting the bed all along the way until people started stepping up around him and his pride started bothering him.

He's not a real student of the game and he relies too heavily on his athleticism, that's my honest opinion of the guy.

@NFL_ATL: Colin Kaepernick: I wouldn't be here without Alex Smith http://t.co/RaXIcDegJW

$8.75 / hour

Ask and you shall receive.

I can't find a way to do a table so, here are career average years over 16 games for regular season play. I may do playoffs later.


Wins and Losses

A. Dalton - 10 - 6
Kepernick - 12 - 4
R . Wilson - 12- 4
And. Luck - 11 - 5


Passing yards

A. Dalton - 3,786
Kapernick - 2,604
R . Wilson - 3,236
And. Luck - 4,098


Completion %

A. Dalton - 60.9%
Kapernick - 59.8%
R . Wilson - 63.6%
And. Luck - 57.0%


Passing TDs

A. Dalton - 27
Kapernick - 16
R . Wilson - 26
And. Luck - 23


Interceptions

A. Dalton - 16
Kapernick - 6
R . Wilson - 10
And. Luck - 14


Passer Rating

A. Dalton - 85.7
Kapernick - 93.8
R . Wilson - 100.6
And. Luck - 81.5


ESPN QBR Rating

A. Dalton - 51.5
Kapernick - 75.6
R . Wilson - 65.8
And. Luck - 63.8


Rushing Yards

A. Dalton - 152
Kapernick - 483
R . Wilson - 514
And. Luck - 316


Rushing TDs

A. Dalton - 2
Kapernick - 5
R . Wilson - 3
And. Luck - 5

All stats above are pro-rated for a 16 game season.

Bear in mind that Andy Dalton has the most starts under his belt with 48, and should be the best developed of the 4 QBs as a result. Colin Kaepernick has the least starts with only 23, and should be the least developed of the 4 QBs. Wilson and Luck both have 32 starts.

Colin is a class act. After the 2012 season was done and the media was trying to drive a wedge between him and Alex, Kap praised Alex for unselfishly teaching him everything he could about the game.

Alex is also a class act. Despite losing his starting job, he very unselfishly took Colin under his arm and continued to teach him everything he could about the playbook, reading defenses, and whatever he could

Two very upstanding young men. Amid the Ritchie Incognito's of the world, both of their parents should be very proud of the moral character of these 2 guys.

Awesome work. it will be very interesting to see what Dalton snags. He's obviously a better passer than Kaep at this stage. If Kaep and Dalton swapped teams, would the results be the same for both teams?
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Handing the ball off and not throwing much at all? LMAO

Yeah. Both QBs choke in big moments, Kaepernick just makes you wait a little longer for it while Dalton serves it up right away.