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The Franchise 06-13-2014 01:32 PM

http://overthecap.com/chiefs-release-brandon-flowers/

The Kansas City Chiefs have released CB Brandon Flowers from his five year, $48.75 million contract extension that he signed in 2011. Flowers had been scheduled to earn a $250,000 workout bonus, $2 million upon reporting to training camp, and another $5.25 million in base salary for the season. In 2015 he was scheduled to earn the same workout bonus and $6.25 million in base salary. It is possible he earned his 2014 workout bonus but the rest of the money will all disappear from the books. All told the $48.75 million extension turned into a two year deal worth $24 million.

The release leaves the Chiefs with $3 million in dead money in 2014 and another $4 million in dead money in 2015. This dead money comes from the remaining prorations of a $10 million signing bonus paid in 2011 and another $4 million bonus paid just last year for salary cap relief.

The move will create $7.5 million ($7.25 million if the workout was earned) in cap space for Kansas City in 2014 and another $7.5 million in 2015. This is much needed room for the Chiefs who will likely need the space to extend QB Alex Smith and pass rusher Justin Houston, both in the final seasons of their contracts.

gblowfish 06-13-2014 01:32 PM

These guys -including Flowers- couldn't stop shit in the 2nd half of that Indy playoff game. When you're part of a secondary that blew a 28 point lead in one half, you have no job security. I'm sure somebody will pick him up, but he won't make $7 million. It must suck to lose your job on Friday the 13th....

The Franchise 06-13-2014 01:33 PM

If cutting Flowers turns into Houston getting a new contract.....then it's well worth it.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10688974)
Flowers doesn't fit the system and was being overpaid for what he brought to the team last year. It's that simple. If the FO thought that he was worth it and really thought that they had nothing behind him, there is no way that they would have released him.

He played plenty of man well before Sutton. I keep seeing people say that he doesn't fit a press scheme and that's a load of shit.

He was a cap casualty yes, but that doesn't mean there's anything behind him.

Again....your hope is riding on a pair of UDFA's. I don't have that much faith.

Hammock Parties 06-13-2014 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10688957)
Homers?

We routinely played with 3 safeties on the field last year, more so than we did with 4 corners from what I recall.

Worked out well, didn't it?

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10688990)
So people are mad cause we just cut our 3rd best corner back from last season? Flowers was great, but he was terrible last year and doesn't fit in the system. Cutting him and extending Houston soon >>>> Keeping him and hoping to re-sign Houston next year.

3rd Best?

ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10688990)
So people are mad cause we just cut our 3rd best corner back from last season? Flowers was great, but he was terrible last year and doesn't fit in the system. Cutting him and extending Houston soon >>>> Keeping him and hoping to re-sign Houston next year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10688994)
If cutting Flowers turns into Houston getting a new contract.....then it's well worth it.


If this gets Houston his deal, then it was worth it.

Jerm 06-13-2014 01:35 PM

I'd love to think the $$$ being saved is going towards a new contract for Houston but I got a bad feeling it's going to be used to push a new deal for Smith over the line.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10688994)
If cutting Flowers turns into Houston getting a new contract.....then it's well worth it.

And that's all fine and dandy....but they should've addressed the position better than they did if they knew this move was coming (which they did KNOW it was coming....everyone freaking knew this was coming)

ChiefsCountry 06-13-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10689001)
If this gets Alex Smith his deal, then it was not worth it.

FYP

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10688996)
He played plenty of man well before Sutton. I keep seeing people say that he doesn't fit a press scheme and that's a load of shit.

He was a cap casualty yes, but that doesn't mean there's anything behind him.

Again....your hope is riding on a pair of UDFA's. I don't have that much faith.

With Flowers we couldn't cover shit last year. Our front 7 makes this defense, not our secondary. You might lose sleep over cutting our 3rd best CB from last year, but I'm not, lol. This just gives us room to extend players who can actually help us win.

xztop123 06-13-2014 01:36 PM

Marcus Cooper does suck though..

xztop123 06-13-2014 01:36 PM

Would we not have saved the money had we traded him ?

gblowfish 06-13-2014 01:36 PM

This could make Sean Smith start drinking again!

staylor26 06-13-2014 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689004)
And that's all fine and dandy....but they should've addressed the position better than they did if they knew this move was coming (which they did KNOW it was coming....everyone freaking knew this was coming)

Umm they did. Gaines and Owens.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 10689003)
I'd love to think the $$$ being saved is going towards a new contract for Houston but I got a bad feeling it's going to be used to push a new deal for Smith over the line.

Signing Smith to a ludicrous deal and dealing Houston is a complete ass-backward FAIL.

NO ONE could be that ****ing stupid, right?

-King- 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10688996)
He played plenty of man well before Sutton. I keep seeing people say that he doesn't fit a press scheme and that's a load of shit.

We also played a lot of zone and off man coverage in Romeos scheme. There's a reason all but 1 of our current corners are over 6'. We're going bigger, faster, and more physical. A 5'9 guy who was hobbled last year isn't going to fit well.

Quote:

He was a cap casualty yes, but that doesn't mean there's anything behind him.

Again....your hope is riding on a pair of UDFA's. I don't have that much faith.
I don't have much faith that Flowers would fit in this system and be back to his old self.

BWillie 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10688960)
Pete Damilatis ‏@PFF_Pete 4m

Even after a poor 2013, Brandon Flowers' +35.5 @PFF coverage grade in the last 5 seasons is the 5th-highest of any CB.

But Chiefsplanet claims we won't be anyworse with out Flowers.

GTFO here...there is no way this is good, except for a money saving situation. And, I don't want to pay Alex Smith anything close to Cutler money, and I know where this saving is going. That is suicide, paying a guy who is never going to be better than a 13th or 14th best QB in the league a huge contract. Do you want to win a superbowl? If you do, you don't want to sign Alex Smiff. If you want to go to the playoffs, feel good about yourself, get your ass handed to you by Denver or New England in the first rd, be my guest.

Get ready for 5 wins next year folks.

notorious 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10689016)
This could make Sean Smith start drinking again!

The Indy game pretty much took care of all our drinking excuses for the next 20 years.

gblowfish 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Chase Daniel needs more money!

-King- 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689004)
And that's all fine and dandy....but they should've addressed the position better than they did if they knew this move was coming (which they did KNOW it was coming....everyone freaking knew this was coming)

Uh...they drafted Phillip Gaines and signed Chris Owens.

Dunerdr 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

We're boned with or without him. It's a rebuild save the money to keep guys you absolutely want that fit the direction the team is going. And have a little more in fa to get the jags you want next year.

Jerm 06-13-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10689020)
Signing Smith to a ludicrous deal and dealing Houston is a complete ass-backward FAIL.

NO ONE could be that ****ing stupid, right?

I'd hope not....

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10689019)
Umm they did. Gaines and Owens.

Hence the word "Better". Gaines is a toothpick and they want him to play Man vs receivers 50lbs+ heavier than him and Owens is a Jag. I don't consider either an upgrade.

Beef Supreme 06-13-2014 01:39 PM

You don't bring me Flowers anymore?

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689006)
With Flowers we couldn't cover shit last year. Our front 7 makes this defense, not our secondary. You might lose sleep over cutting our 3rd best CB from last year, but I'm not, lol. This just gives us room to extend players who can actually help us win.

Smith is Trash.

Cooper is Trash.

Our secondary which was formidable just a few seasons ago has been nerfed into the Warfield/Bartee era.

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:40 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Peyton and DT have a huge smile right now</p>&mdash; Scotty Payne (@Skotty_Payne) <a href="https://twitter.com/Skotty_Payne/statuses/477531075246174208">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This tweet is stupid, lol. As if Flowers was ever capable of covering Thomas in this scheme. He couldn't even handle shutting down Welker.

-King- 06-13-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10689023)
But Chiefsplanet claims we won't be anyworse with out Flowers.

If you want to ignore last year. Sure. But last year happened. He was our 3rd best CB last year. He's also a guy that's 5'9 when we're trying to get CBs 6'0 and taller and he's coming off a season when he had reoccurring issues with his knee.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:41 PM

"Torch Unit" in-effect.

ChiefsCountry 06-13-2014 01:41 PM

The only reason I'm not worried about a total suck season is because of Andy Reid. But the signs of a suck season are their personal wise that is for sure.

penguinz 06-13-2014 01:41 PM

Declining play last season,does not fit the system, is always banged up or injured and we needed the cap $. Not a hard decision.

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689034)
Smith is Trash.

Cooper is Trash.

Our secondary which was formidable just a few seasons ago has been nerfed into the Warfield/Bartee era.

And yet both Smith and Cooper performed a lot better than Flowers last year.

FlaChief58 06-13-2014 01:42 PM

JFC, this team :facepalm:

dirk digler 06-13-2014 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 10688952)
Rebuilding, get over it

Great another rebuild. That makes it what 3 in the last 5 years? This organization is huge POS top to bottom.

staylor26 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689031)
Hence the word "Better". Gaines is a toothpick and they want him to play Man vs receivers 50lbs+ heavier than him and Owens is a Jag. I don't consider either an upgrade.

Gaines was my #4 CB and has elite measurables. He might not be a day 1 upgrade, but that just because he's a rookie. Since I'm pretty sure you haven't seen him play much your opinion on him is irrelevant anyways.

Titty Meat 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689035)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Peyton and DT have a huge smile right now</p>&mdash; Scotty Payne (@Skotty_Payne) <a href="https://twitter.com/Skotty_Payne/statuses/477531075246174208">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This tweet is stupid, lol. As if Flowers was ever capable of covering Thomas in this scheme. He couldn't even handle shutting down Welker.

Manning and DT set a record at Arrowhead last year the **** is he talking about?

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689035)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Peyton and DT have a huge smile right now</p>&mdash; Scotty Payne (@Skotty_Payne) <a href="https://twitter.com/Skotty_Payne/statuses/477531075246174208">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This tweet is stupid, lol. As if Flowers was ever capable of covering Thomas in this scheme. He couldn't even handle shutting down Welker.

He thumped Welker's ass last year! Where the **** do you get this from????

I mean, Welker is going to get his a few times a game, mang. Is what it is.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10689028)
Uh...they drafted Phillip Gaines and signed Chris Owens.

Owens is the definintion of "Just a Guy". He was a corner in arguably one of the worst defenses of the season last year.

Gaines is a 180lb scrawny CB that they expect to play man against 220lb+ wrs.

Yeah....im sure that's not going to be an uphill climb or anything.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10689046)
Gaines was my #4 CB and has elite measurables and since I'm pretty sure you haven't seen him play much your opinion on him is irrelevant.

You're irrelevant. I don't give a **** about your list. Who the hell are you for me to care about YOUR list?

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10689048)
He thumped Welker's ass last year! Where the **** do you get this from????

I mean, Welker is going to get his a few times a game, mang. Is what it is.

He thumped him, yeah, because Welker beat him so many times on his routes that all Flowers could do was try to retaliate when Welker wasn't actually getting the ball.

-King- 06-13-2014 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689034)
Smith is Trash.

Cooper is Trash.

Bullshit. Smith at worst is average. He was BY FAR our best corner last year. There were games I prayed they'd switch Smith and Flowers cause Flowers was getting burned while Smith was barely targetted.

Quote:

Our secondary which was formidable just a few seasons ago has been nerfed into the Warfield/Bartee era.
:spock: What season is that? The highest our pass defense has been ranked is 11th since Brandon Flowers was drafted. Other than that, it's been below average.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10689045)
Great another rebuild. That makes it what 3 in the last 5 years? This organization is huge POS top to bottom.

I prefer "transition". At least they're not scorching the earth. Did you not think they were going to come in here and make it their own?

Direckshun 06-13-2014 01:46 PM

We're not going to get any compensatory picks for him, either.

Wow.

loochy 06-13-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 10689047)
Manning and DT set a record at Arrowhead last year the **** is he talking about?

breaking their previously set record? :shrug:

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689042)
And yet both Smith and Cooper performed a lot better than Flowers last year.

Cooper fell to pieces.

I'm tired of hearing about him.

And im sure Mike Catapano is in for a monster season and they shoulda started Powe next to Poe blah blah blah.

staylor26 06-13-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689052)
You're irrelevant. I don't give a **** about your list. Who the hell are you for me to care about YOUR list?

The point isn't that my list matters, but that I've actually seen the guys tape and have a valid argument that he's a potential upgrade.

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689050)
Owens is the definintion of "Just a Guy". He was a corner in arguably one of the worst defenses of the season last year.

Gaines is a 180lb scrawny CB that they expect to play man against 220lb+ wrs.

Yeah....im sure that's not going to be an uphill climb or anything.

Slot WRs are 220+ pounds?

Cooper and Smith can handle the perimeter with the improved safety play this year (it's already an improvement without the shit-stain Lewis back there). Parker can easily handle slot duties while Gaines works and develops as the 4th corner.

The Franchise 06-13-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10689060)
We're not going to get any compensatory picks for him, either.

Wow.

There it is.

**** compensatory picks.....Jesus.

htismaqe 06-13-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689050)
Owens is the definintion of "Just a Guy". He was a corner in arguably one of the worst defenses of the season last year.

Gaines is a 180lb scrawny CB that they expect to play man against 220lb+ wrs.

Yeah....im sure that's not going to be an uphill climb or anything.

Gaines is skinny but he's still a physical guy. He'll be fine.

-King- 06-13-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689050)
Owens is the definintion of "Just a Guy". He was a corner in arguably one of the worst defenses of the season last year.

Gaines is a 180lb scrawny CB that they expect to play man against 220lb+ wrs.

Yeah....im sure that's not going to be an uphill climb or anything.

Guess we'll ignore the fact that Brandon Flowers is 5'9 187lbs huh?

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10689064)
The point isn't that my list matters, but that I've actually seen the guys tape and have a valid argument that he's a potential upgrade.

Tape?

What his youtube highlights?

Yeah i've seen those too.

The biggest thing that stood out to me was that he doesn't look nearly as fast as what he timed.

Just Passin' By 06-13-2014 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10689048)
He thumped Welker's ass last year! Where the **** do you get this from????

I mean, Welker is going to get his a few times a game, mang. Is what it is.

You mustn't have been watching the game.

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689062)
Cooper fell to pieces.

I'm tired of hearing about him.

And im sure Mike Catapano is in for a monster season and they shoulda started Powe next to Poe blah blah blah.

Cooper fell to pieces so badly that they started him as the #3 corner in the playoff game and he played well. Yeeeaaaa. Also, there's no way he is going to get better, right? I mean, he's already been playing the CB position for what, 3 years now including last season? He's as good as he's ever going to be with that whole 2 years of college experience and 1 year of NFL experience playing the CB position. :thumb:

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689065)
Slot WRs are 220+ pounds?

Cooper and Smith can handle the perimeter with the improved safety play this year (it's already an improvement without the shit-stain Lewis back there). Parker can easily handle slot duties while Gaines works and develops as the 4th corner.

Cooper can't handle the perimeter. He proved that last season. He was good against QB's who telegraphed come back routes.

When a decent QB actually challenged him he went into Bartee mode. Have you forgotten how embarrassed he was?

Owens was brought in to cover the slot, not Gaines.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10689077)
You mustn't have been watching the game.

The second game? Yes I ****ing did. Welker = punk-thumped.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689079)
Cooper fell to pieces so badly that they started him as the #3 corner in the playoff game and he played well. Yeeeaaaa. Also, there's no way he is going to get better, right? I mean, he's already been playing the CB position for what, 3 years now including last season? He's as good as he's ever going to be with that whole 2 years of college experience and 1 year of NFL experience playing the CB position. :thumb:

Putting him in over Dunta Robinson and Ron Parker doesn't say a whole lot.

OmahaChief 06-13-2014 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689034)
Smith is Trash.

Cooper is Trash.

Our secondary which was formidable just a few seasons ago has been nerfed into the Warfield/Bartee era.

Wasn't it TorchedField ande Burnee?

nychief 06-13-2014 01:55 PM

Bad contract. Young guys have to step up.

OldSchool 06-13-2014 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689080)
Cooper can't handle the perimeter. He proved that last season. He was good against QB's who telegraphed come back routes.

When a decent QB actually challenged him in went into Bartee mode. Have you forgotten how embarrassed he was?

Owens was brought in to cover the slot, not Gaines.

Again, Cooper was a project to begin with. He's only going to get better and you can expect improvements over this off-season in his technique. If you were the Jets, would you give up on Dee Milliner after the way he played last year? Hell no. News Flash, Cooper was twice the CB that Milliner was for the Jets last season. He was arguably the best rookie CB in the league last season. You don't expect any improvements in his game? Really? Expecially given the fact that he only played 2 years at CB in college and was a very raw prospect coming out?

Yeah, ok. The sky is falling and we have nobody at CB.:thumb:

ILChief 06-13-2014 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10688860)
5-11 imo

You've become a cartoon character

KCUnited 06-13-2014 01:59 PM

Burn Ward™

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689093)
Again, Cooper was a project to begin with. He's only going to get better and you can expect improvements over this off-season in his technique. If you were the Jets, would you give up on Dee Milliner after the way he played last year? Hell no. News Flash, Cooper was twice the CB that Milliner was for the Jets last season. He was arguably the best rookie CB in the league last season. You don't expect any improvements in his game? Really? Expecially given the fact that he only played 2 years at CB in college and was a very raw prospect coming out?

Yeah, ok. The sky is falling and we have nobody at CB.:thumb:

I don't expect much improvement, no. Just because he has another season under his belt doesn't mean he's improved.

Milliner? You're going to compare a 1st round pick to an UDFA?

Look, you're putting all your faith in hope. Could he get better? Certainly? That doesn't mean he WILL get better. For every player that gets better, there's a handful who don't and another handfull that get worse.

The only thing that Cooper proved last year was that he has a looong way to go.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-13-2014 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10689099)
Burn Ward™

ROFL :clap:

the Talking Can 06-13-2014 02:00 PM

eh, that's business in the nfl...i'm kind of glad we seem less sentimental now

we got his best years (or 80% of them)...i'm sure he has a couple of decent years left, but those aren't worth the 7 mill savings

Hali's probably next unless he restructures next year

Chiefnj2 06-13-2014 02:01 PM

Good for Flowers. I hope he finds his way to a team that can win a playoff game.

Just Passin' By 06-13-2014 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10689093)
... He was arguably the best rookie CB in the league last season....

No, he wasn't.

Mother****erJones 06-13-2014 02:01 PM

Wasting that entire ****ing '08 draft class. I ****ing hate this organization. Albert gone, Dorsey gone, Flowers gone, Carr gone. Charles only one left.

ToxSocks 06-13-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10689106)
eh, that's business in the nfl...i'm kind of glad we seem less sentimental now

we got his best years (or 80% of them)...i'm sure he has a couple of decent years left, but those aren't worth the 7 mill savings

Hali's probably next unless he restructures next year

Right. I don't disagree.

The problem i have is that the cupboard is bare.

petegz28 06-13-2014 02:04 PM

So we freed up $7.5 mil this year and next year to apply to the Houston and\or Smith re-signings. I have no problems with this. Flowers was a great CB when healthy but the last 2 years he was constantly nagged with injuries and it slowed him down. Good luck to him wherever he ends up.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-13-2014 02:04 PM

Wow

splatbass 06-13-2014 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10688860)
5-11 imo

This makes me very optimistic, since you are ALWAYS wrong in your predictions.

petegz28 06-13-2014 02:06 PM

People thinking our season is going to hinge on 1 CB are losing it. The majority of people were wrong last year who said 8-8 at best because Alex Smith sucks, etc.

Let's just wait and see what happens. Flowers was good and at times very good. But we need the space and he has been plagued with nagging injuries the last 2 seasons.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-13-2014 02:07 PM

I think folks are lessening the loss a bit, but 5 wins....cmon

L.A. Chieffan 06-13-2014 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10689045)
Great another rebuild. That makes it what 3 in the last 5 years? This organization is huge POS top to bottom.

Can't take the heat get out of the kitchens

Dave Lane 06-13-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10688940)
Should rename the Kansas City Ifs that is all this team is a bunch of ifs.

Totally this. The Kansas City IFs!!

the Talking Can 06-13-2014 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10689115)
Right. I don't disagree.

The problem i have is that the cupboard is bare.

it is...this year is basically cross your fingers and pray in regards to all the young players


but they seem determined to clear the books...

underEJ 06-13-2014 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10689106)
eh, that's business in the nfl...i'm kind of glad we seem less sentimental now

I am quite proud of myself for growing to be less sentimental. It was not an easy change. I started learning to ease up a bit with Donnie Edwards leaving and then coming back, and it has just gotten better for me the last few years.

I liked Flowers alot and I wish him well. Unless he is a Raider, in which case he can roast on the commemorative Harvey Williams spit.

RunKC 06-13-2014 02:11 PM

Watch the broncos sign him

Pasta Little Brioni 06-13-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10689142)
Watch the broncos sign him

Better than anything they have

Titty Meat 06-13-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10689127)
I think folks are lessening the loss a bit, but 5 wins....cmon

Had them winning 6 anyway.


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