He points to his name!!!!!!!

Bowe = worst draft pick ever

Reid had that talk with Alex in week 10 or 12. Not before the Colts playoff game.

He repeated it for the Colts playoff game...

Bowe is a WR like Anquan Boldin: he doesn't get a lot of separation, like, ever. He's physical, fights for the ball, gets YAC.

For Kap that's a great guy to have. Someone a young QB can throw it to even when he's not wide open and let the guy fight for the ball.

With Smith he'd be useless...

Um the jury is still out on both. Out on post-contract Bowe and out on Alex Smith.

Both have been in the league for a long time. The jury concluded long ago.

But seriously, the two examples I think we're all going to point to are Bowe and Crabtree, right?

In 2012, when Kaepernick took over for Smith, the first game Crabtree had 26 yards receiving.

After that, his targets dramatically increased. You might say that's because Kaepernick was willing to throw more than Smith, right? But that would be ignoring that those targets - multiple games with double digit targets - were coming from somewhere.

That somewhere was from Vernon Davis and - SHOCKING - other wide receivers. Look at Kaepernick's signature game - week 15 in a win vs. New England.

Crabtree got seven receptions.
Randy Moss got two.

No other wide receiver caught a pass.

That tells me that Kaepernick's focus on Crabtree is far less because he's willing to throw it where Smith isn't and moreso because, like a lot of young QBs, he had one read and locked onto one target.

Avery's career production didn't dip with Alex Smith. In fact, it was right up there with his best years.

McCluster's receiving production didn't dip with Alex Smith. Again, right at the top.

The only WR who has had a noticeable downturn in production with Alex Smith is Bowe, and it was just one year. Granted, that shit is WAY MORE ****ING IMPORTANT than avery or mccluster****. But there simply isn't this overwhelming evidence that Smith takes good receivers and makes them bad. He spreads the ball around, he makes short to intermediate, high-percentage throws.

I don't think Bowe's contract was a mistake. I don't think Bowe has lost it. I don't think Bowe's done.

I think Bowe should have a very good year. He won't put up Megatron numbers, but I think he's going to be very productive this year. And idiots like Teicher look at stats and decide that's the entire measure of a player. Bowe has to be respected on the outside. He commands the top DB in coverage. He opens up the middle. He blocks for Jamaal like a son of a bitch. He's a good teammate, a willing leader.

I ****ing love Bowe. I am excited to see what happens this year with everyone being familiar with the offense and more comfortable with each other.

FYP

Avery was 20 catches and nearly 200 yards short of his career best...

It's no coincidence that the outside WR's suffered through a year of Alex Smith. Even his biggest ball washers will tell you he doesn't like going outside.

Jesus Christ that's like 12 yards a game!

He dropped more than 200 yards worth of passes.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:LMAOROFL

You CANNOT be serious.

A little useless slapdick like McCluster who never goes downfield is obviously going to have inflated numbers with a guy like Alex.

He was also targeted 50 times more in 2012 than 2013. FIFTY TIMES.

And out of those fifty extra attempts? He got less than 200 yards.

Avery averaged 14.9 YPC or nearly 2YPC better than his "career best."

That's not killing a wide receiver. That's being far more ****ing efficient.

I've already posted the chart that shows how much Crabtree's production suffered with Alex vs Kaepernick.

Alex is what he is...maybe Bowe can get 800 yards this year.

Jesus Christ that's like 5 games at Avery's pace of 39 yards a game last season.

And Avery has been plagued with dropped passes his entire career, dipshit.

You have a really bad habit of making blanket statements, being called on them, and then qualifying them retroactively. It's the difference between making an argument and being argumentative.

CLAY: Alex makes wide receivers worse!!!

Actually, these wide receivers didn't show that at all.

CLAY: Idiot! I didn't mean those wide receivers!

:shake:

Maybe you and OTWP can get together and come up with all the magic statistical numbers that equals wins.

You guys are far more hung up on stats for individual players than you are actually winning.

That is unless you want to discuss the playoff game and then the stats mean nothing because we lost.

Nice cherry picking world to live in.

None of our wide receivers performed well last year. McCluster included, despite what you think about his "production."

Avery had a much better year in Indianapolis, too. And I told EVERYONE his production would go down here.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER is a middle finger to wide receivers and downfield passing.

So in other words, Avery's production didn't drop off much. Got it.

:spock:

It's not about producing. It's about their COMPARATIVE PRODUCTION. And compared to their history, neither receiver had a down year.

Avery had a much better year in Indianapols? Are you ****ing shitting me?

The guy was mediocre in Indy. He's mediocre in KC. Luck threw to Avery FIFTY TIMES more in Indy and that garnered a whopping 195 more yards and one more touchdown.

Your contention was that Smith makes receivers worse. That didn't happen to any receiver other than Bowe. Avery had a normal Avery year and McCluster had his best year by far.

It doesn't matter if they're both average jackoffs. What matters is that you're wrong. Smith wasn't detrimental to them at all.

The only comment in that article that means a thing is Teicher saying that Bowe has had a bad camp. His basis for saying that? Who knows. It's Teicher.

You have to wonder how much the underwhelming crop of free agent WRs this past offseason played in to the decision to re-sign him.

Bowe looked to be suffering from just-got-paid last year. That had better not happen again this year or he could well find himself on the trading block.

I would imagine the list of reasons to re-sign Bowe looked something like this:

1) Bowe's past body of work
























6798) The 2014 WR FA pool

From this week's MMQB...

Note that it was written after spending time with the Chiefs. Also, for the record, Bowe has said both quotes.

It happened with Michael Crabtree.

And it happened to Avery, too. Of COURSE he had fewer targets here. Why? ALEX SMITH IS HIS QB. ALL OF THE WRS TARGETS WENT DOWN.

And it will happen again this year unless Alex raises his level of play. Last year was not good enough.

I'm with you. I hope he does. I'm not happy with a top 15 QB. But I don't think he's fundamentally incapable of raising his level of play. And while Avery's yards went down, his YPC went way up. Alex is very efficient.

I would like to see him take more chances, even if it hurts his efficiency.

Who cares? **** a bunch stats! Let's win some more games for a change. You would still be bitching about this shit if we won the Superbowl the next three years in a row.

I don't think anybody could really be pimping Bowe honestly after his season last year. It's not like him disappearing for halves or games at a time is anything new, it just really started showing in his numbers last season.

I think he's getting white knighted only for the obvious reason, that his shortcomings can supposedly be blamed on Alex Smith, so of course Bowe walks on water.

Smith wouldnt even look at him for halves at a time. No ****ing shit it finally showed up. Your biggest, most physical, most talented WR without a single target in an entire half? ****ing pathetic.

No one who has missed four games in season and still managed to lead the league in drops should have ever been put on a pedestal. Chiefs fans never should have crowned the guy in the first place.

He wasn't open. Smith will not throw the ball to covered receivers because he is good. If he gets open, he'll get the ball. Quit crying about it for ****s sake.

Bowe doesn't have to be open by Smith standards.

And good QBs throw their receivers open.

This.

How did this thread become about whether or not Bowe sucks? The important thing to remember here is...

Teicher sucks.

Ok, well if he caught the ball in practice maybe he would get it in the games? What am I missing here? This seems like cause and effect to me.

Caught the ball in practice? He's been catching the ball in games his whole entire ****ing career from QBs like Cassel, Huard, Thigpen, Croyle, Orton, and Quinn.

Efficiency means jack shit if you aren't scoring points.

This thread is about you hyperventilating, go breath into a paper bag and count to ten.

Bowe will be solid this year.

Alex will be solid this year.

They broke through the wall last year and will produce together this year.

Heres a drink of water, go sit down and relax old buddy...

This sums it up right here.

There is nothing that can be said on CP to make anything Bowe's responsibility.

NOTHING

Reid didn't feature Bowe right
Smith didn't throw the ball right
Reid didn't call Bowe's number enough
Smith didn't trust Bowe enough
If Smith tries to trust Bowe and it's intercepted then Smith shouldn't have trusted Bowe on that particularly play
Any drop is either the QB's fault or 'drops happen to everyone'
If Bowe doesn't run the correct route then it doesn't matter the QB sucks anyway.

Bowe has never done anything wrong in his life ... ever/CP

I don't see how.

I'd fully expect all the WR's, Charles, and Smith to take hits behind this $3it O line. Smith bashers will claim they're right despite the fact we'll likely have a worse offensive line than almost every team we play this year...

Bowe will be Bowe. Amazing during some stretches. Houdini the vanishing AIDS patient during other stretches.

Bowe was a lot more consistent before Alex Smith came along.

I'd like to see more plays where we get the ball to Bowe and let him make some shit happen. Little bubble screens or short drag routes. Get that big bastard the rock and let him crush some ****ers.

Those plays don't work because defenses know they can cheat up on short stuff with Alex as our QB.

They worked a lot with Charles and McNugget

Holy ****, he's almost 30?

We need to seriously invest some draft picks on WR's next year.

They never worked with McCluster.

With Charles, yeah. He's Charles. He's a RB.

The line is a question mark, but I believe we have plenty of pieces to put a solid one together... it all really comes down to Fisher.

Hudson is a year wiser to the game and system.
Same for Allen (though he still worries me a bit)
Kush looks very primed to push hard for a starting spot.
Fulton has fit right in by all accounts.
Stephenson is way more than talented enough to hold down RT.
Love what I'm hearing about this "dirtbag" Henry.

And thats not counting the other guys fighting for a role, I think the pieces are there, its just a matter of finding the right chemistry... and Fisher.

Jeff Allen is a shit player. The rest of the line is unproven. Any confidence in them at this point is complete pie in the sky homer optimism. It's ****ing crazy.

If he gets 1000 yards you should kill yourself.


Actually if you take a breath in the next 15 minutes you should probably kill yourself.


The point is you should kill yourself.
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Hudson is solid with a ton of potential. Stephenson is our best T and probably best lineman.

The rest are either proven to be bad or scrubs...

I still want them to get Bowe the ball and let him get some YAC. Even if it's just every once in a while to keep him engaged.

I don't care for Jeff Allen either.

What reason do we have to think Bowe won't have a better season? He had a great playoff game and apparently has dropped weight and is in great shape. All Bowe needs is for Alex to chunk it to him more and for Andy to call his number on plays designed to get him the advantage. All teams do that for their weapons. There a reason we ran a ton of screen plays to JC. Because that is where he is most dangerous.

The best way to do that is in single man coverage...

No, he's always consistently dropped the ball, checked out against good corners and choked when we needed him to make a play.

Agreed. We need to call more plays where he's guaranteed to get the ball. He's great after the catch.

He's everything that is wrong with this team I hate him. We would be MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT THAT BUM.

As I said a year ago, and the year before that, and the year before that....I'm awaiting the glorious day when you become an optimistic Chiefs fan that you once were. :thumb:

We went from the worst scoring team in the NFL in 2012, to the 6th best scoring team in 2013. I don't see what the problem is here.

Better? That's hard to say but I do feel we would easily be just as good. Last year's production wouldn't be hard to match. He doesn't draw double teams or anything. He's a good blocker but so is Hemmingway. I honestly believe Junior could be just as good. We don't need an all world #1 WR in this offense.

The problem is...Alex isn't ****ing Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and some people can't accept it. I, for one, am a shit ton happier with the guy we have now. I want the elite guy too, but for now I'm cautiously optimistic.

Me to man. I like winning.

Chiefs actual offensive points per game was 11th. Defense and special teams accounted for more.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...oints-per-game

And that was against a shit schedule.

Watch them fall back a few this year.

What would benefit this offense more than anything is a good tight end.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on Chiefsplanet.

I said team points.

However, we went from 8 passing td's to 24. And 9 rushing td's to 17. We are not as bad as some of you make things out to be.

Well, that and a clean pocket...

If he started 16 games as the #1 WR he could get 57 receptions for 673 yards and 5 TDs. Yes, I do believe he could.

He doesn't even know where to line up half the time.

He'll never be a #3 WR, let alone a #1 WR.

That's valid, but you also have to consider that every special teams TD eliminates an offensive drive and alleviates pressure to turn up the heat in the passing game.

Ask yourself this: if we traded Bowe tomorrow to the Pats, Packers, Saints, or Colts what type of production would you expect?

Would he get 1,000 yards next year?

I think the answer is yes to all 4...

Yeah. Offensive line could be....troubling.

I honestly don't think so man. I say no to all four. I really think he's done and I am not trolling.

We could sign someone. Bowe ranked 57th in receiving yards last year.

Bowe goes off this year folks

There isn't a single WR on the Pats roster I'd trade Bowe for.

That's the spirit!

One of our defensive linemen (Bailey) said our O-line is better this year. But what would he know about it? :shrug:

wow no sign of a Bowe comeback after 1 ****ign preseason game where the starter threw 3 lame duck wobblers for about 5 yards each

jesus ****ign christ

Maybe lets wait for a couple regular season games....it would be pretty hard for Bowe NOT to do better than last season, even if smiff goes down

I have faith in Fisher at LT. I'm sure I'll catch a lot of shit for thinking that, but **** it.

Why?

Because our O line is in shambles?
Because we'll play the best teams in the league?
Because we added another legit threat to the passing game?...