just for shits and giggles:

Last 3 yrs

2013 - 3-5
2012 - 1-10
2011 - 4-4

record: 8-19

They just suck less at it.

And that means dick

Just means that guys who are "subjectively better than Smith" are actually better than Smith.

But lets not get technical about it.

Alex Smith would take that Lions team to the playoffs. Stafford would be a 3-13 qb in KC

To use an old phrase "better than bad does not equal good"

I can come up with stats that'll make Mark Sanchez look like the best quarterback in the nfl...doesn't matter

You could certainly make him look better than Smith.

8 wins in 3 years vs 3 wins for Alex's entire career. ROFL

Exactly. Thank you for making my point.

Cant wait for Geno to get his ACL torn by Dontari Poe. Then Clay will bitch about how we need to take Marcus Mariota

Also Here is how Alex Smith Contract Breaks down

Signing bonus: $18 million

2014: $1 million
2015: $11.9 million
2016: $14.1 million
2017: $10.2 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)
2018: $14.5 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)

The $18 million signing bonus and $1 million 2014 salary is fully guaranteed.

If he is on the roster on the third day of the 2015 league year (next March - very likely), his 2015 and 2016 salaries totaling $26 million become fully guaranteed, according to La Canfora's report.

Those figures total the reported $45 million guaranteed and his three-year pay-out. You hear people talk about the three year pay-out because NFL contracts aren't real contracts and teams will just cut players with few penalties in the back end of contracts.

Smith's previous cap number was $8 million. If the signing bonus pro-rates over the life of the deal ($3.6 million per year) and you add in his 2014 salary ($1 million) that comes out to a $4.6 million cap hit this year, which actually saves the Chiefs money against the cap. Funny how contracts work, huh?

Unless you think Smith is the best QB in the league then I didn't make your point.

Alex Smith just got PAID... and is the Chiefs' QB.

I win... you lose. :thumb:

Got Figures from http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...fs/alex-smith/

You are high as shit.

Stafford ****ing sucks.

Guy is totally inaccurate and throws just as many screens as he does bombs. Isn't a team leader. He's a panhandler's version of Brett Favre. He's #3 in the Romo/Cutler/Stafford trifecta of overpriced suckery.

In five seasons, he's only posted above the 60% completion mark once. He's averaged 18 Ints a season. He's a statue in the pocket.

**** that noise.

Not to mention the Numerous Shoulder Problems in his Throwing Arm.

Well, theoretically, that's why we have all these kick-ass first round picks, Pro Bowlers on this defense.

So we don't give up 24 points in a game.

Right?

Seriously, LMAO

Yes, but it's comforting to know when the defense has an off game Alex cannot bail us out.

Stafford throws a pick every 34th pass.

Smith throws a pick every 38th pass.

Now break that down to the last 3 years.

You're insane.

You just said you can make the case that Mark Sanchez has better stats than Smith when clearly no one in their right mind would take Sanchez over Smith.

You said you could make Sanchez look like the best QB in the league, idiot.

Stats don't tell the whole story, especially meaningless ones

If going by the same logic, Clay would rather have guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub as our QB than Alex Smith. You know, Guys who have never made it past the divisional round.

49ers will go 4-12 this year.

So I guess the moral here is have a defense that won't allow 24 points? :D

Picked 11. Some of the others are either on the same tier or just flat out worse.

LMAO

Horrible opinion.

Well, in the past 5 years worth of conference championships and Superbowls, the average score is 32-23.

So, maybe.

Define "off-game"...

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Define "cannot bail us out"...

Derek Carr? Carson Palmer? Geno Smith? Jay Cutler? Joe Flacco? Eli Manning?

Y'all are a bunch of idiots.

I'd take Alex over the bold this year.
But this will be a "so and so played well years ago" verbal shitshow.

This guy sure looks done

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Stafford has carried that team in Detroit. When you ask a QB to throw 750 goddamn times in one year he is under an intense amount of pressure.

If we asked Alex to do that he'd just get hurt most likely.

Stafford's a ****ing God King.

Yeah, he just doesn't have "it" anymore.

LMAO

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers. Then there are 15 to 20 guys who are all about the same but with different warts. Smith is part of that group. I think Andrew Luck has potential to be part of those first four, but it's still early.

Fixed

Would be funny watching Calvin rack up 800 yards if Smith was his QB.

Stafford has the best player in the NFL that's not a QB that he's throwing to. Calvin Johnson has carried that team. Stafford already high levels of inaccuracies would be exponentially exaggerated if not for Johnson's ridiculous skills downfield.

You are seriously high as mother ****ing shit if you think Stafford is carrying that team.

And they continue to pick in the top ten in the draft every goddamn year. That's carrying a team?

The dude blows ass.

I'm with people on most of the popular choices, but the popular QBs whom I do not think are better than Alex are:

Jay Cutler (too inconsistent)

Nick Foles (too early to know - lets see his next 2 years)

RGIII (Elite potential. He will get there but his development has slowed)

Tony Romo (too inconsistent)

The irony of calling someone like Romo too inconsistent when comparing him to Smith.

Pretty much this

E Manning, Big Ben and Flacco are tough to classify


Truly elite or just guys who got hot and streaky at the right times ?

So the guy who puts up meaningless stat lines like number of wins when the defense gives up 24 points is willing to take a guy who is around 1-23 against teams with a winning record?

Then you will say well its not his fault which is an argument you dismiss when discussing Alex.

You dont understand how this works.

The year he threw the ball 727 times he only threw 20 TD passes vs. 17 Ints. He's also completed 60% of his passes exactly one season in his entire career. That is not very God King like.

LMAO Dude. According to this response, Alex Smith is a top 7 QB.

Seriously. Do you think there's one person employed by any NFL team that would agree with that assessment? His own damn contract doesn't even ****ing agree with that.

.. And I'd absolutely sign Peyton ****ing Manning to a 4 year deal worth $68. I'd give him all $68 of it guaranteed even if he decided to hang 'em up after this season. With him, we'd be instant AFC Champion favorites. Same with Brady and Brees as well.

Romo is better than Alex. I'm not even going to waste time arguing it.

I'll give you Cutler, Flacco and Stafford. Cutler and Flacco are iffy and if you'll note I didn't actually pick Stafford for one game. I picked him if I were to sign a long term contract because he's young and could possibly be fixed.

Kaepernick wasn't good passing but he's pretty electric and Wilson was actually extremely efficient passing the ball last season (he was more efficient than Alex). They both also fall under the "young and can be molded" umbrella.

Neither do you. You think trading a guy with a noodle arm for a young pup who is a rare ****ing talent is a bad idea.

Chiefs fans have no clue. They think work ethic and character mean more than top end talent. It doesn't. It hasn't for 20 goddamn years. That should be obvious now but......

This applies here just as much here as on the other thread I posted it to.

The 24 point barrier is not a meaningless number picked at random.

The 2013 season was the highest scoring season in NFL history. Take a look at the average points per game for professional teams (including the AAFC and AFL) since 1940:


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http://www.footballperspective.com/s...on-since-1940/



Champions have to be able to score more than 25 points by and large, to navigate the playoffs and win it all. There are exceptions to the rule, but by and large, if you are 1 for 35 when opponents score at least 24 points, your playoff run will be brief. By and large. Don't go all 2000 Ravens on me.

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No Clay YOU dont get it.

Luck is a rare talent because he has physical and mental ability.

Stafford hasn't won shit in 4 years because he has physical talent but not mental talent.

Smith is the other side, he has the brains but not as much physical talent.

To try to draw some huge gap between them shows your ignorance.

If Stafford had Smith's brain he would be Arron Rodgers. but he doesn't so he is closer to Jeff George.

The Chiefs as a team scored more than 25 per game last year. I also showed in another thread where we gave up 34 points per game in our losses last year. Go away with your stupid shit.

1-23 Clay, 1-23. That's almost as bad as Croyle's win %.

I can't believe there are some who think Alex Smith is better than Big Ben
absolute insanity
Whoever said people don't watch teams other than KC is right

Tony Romo gets a lot of shit but he is so underrated its silly
His back is jacked up due to him having to carry that team for so long
Yes he has good weapons, but his defense is so bad that there is so much pressure on him and the offense to keep that team in games

The exact opposite of Smith's situation

Romo ****ing sucks, Jones gave that mfer everything a QB a could ever want and he didnt do SHIT with it.

LMAO

The shit people give Romo is a constant source of amusement.

Alex would have that Cowboys team in the cellar every year. Everyone knows bad defense + Alex = top 5 pick.

Maybe that is Reid's plan all along! We will be laden with top 5 picks over the next four years.

If Matt Stafford had gone to the Patriots or Packers and was groomed by Bellicheck or Mike McCarthy, he would be Aaron Rodgers.

Matt Stafford's biggest problem is that he plays for a team owned by William Clay Ford Sr. -- easily the NFL's worst owner. His other big problem is that he has one of the worst head coaches in football, and Ford's loyalty to Schwarts is continuing that problem.

If Hunt is a lousy owner, Ford is abysmal and gives his team NO chance for success.

Stafford has NEVER had the development in Detroit that he needed to excel. Never. Stafford's biggest problem is inadequate QB development. It is amazing what he has done with natural talent alone with that despicable development.

This post really does sum things up perfectly. This is why there is so many differing opinions of specific QB rankings. Once you get beyond the 4 clear QBs at the top.. the next bunch is large and muddled. It is fun to watch the bickering and spin-jobs over these 2nd tier options. :p

I see. Stafford gets a pass for bad coaching in his career but Smith doesn't.

Got it.

It is OK that you don't get it and you never will. The stat will continue to be a telling indicator with or without you.

Giving up more than 24 points to an opponent is a real indicator and it neither meaningless or arbitrary. You are just being hard-headed and refusing to see it because you have already made your call and now you can't back down.

The laughable thing is that you even admit the Chiefs scored more than 25 points per game in an 11-5 year. Which is what you would expect -- something north of 8-8 if you are scoring more than 25 points a game and/or holding opponents to under 24 points. You are making my case.

What part of we gave up 34 points per game avg in the losses do you not understand?

You don't read my posts. I've stated that Alex was ruined by bad coaching.

I've stated that you would think the 49ers would have protected a $50 million investment in a rookie, but did not. You bet your ass Alex suffered from wretched QB development until the day Jim Harbaugh first taught him footwork at his first practice.

I would still take Stafford over Alex, but he needs a top coach to develop him. Stafford would be the new Gannon if he went to any team that had the ability to develop him as a QB should be developed. RGIII is beginning down the same road because Snyder is another clueless moron for an owner.

Imagine RGIII going to Sean Payton. He would be well on his way toward elite status.

You are the one who said 24 points is a meaningless arbitrary number. WTF are you talking about 34 point totals for?

I've made the case that 24 points is the area where, if you score more you are likely to win games, if you score less you are likely to lose games. You can't isolate lopsided losses and then analyze that as a trend.

OK, as a trend, when your Defense gives up 34 or more YOU ALMOST ALWAYS LOSE. PERIOD.

There is another fact for you.

The thing is, a forum member was spouting records based on when opponents score more than 24 points. You and some others called that meaningless. It is NOT meaningless, and I've showed you why it is not meaningless.

So if you win 6-3, that is an outlier, but it doesn't void the overall trend that in MOST games, if you score more than 24 or hold opponents to under 24, you GENERALLY win.

I don't care if you gave up 34 or 94 points in your losses. The trend is the trend. It is why the metric of 24 points you call "meaningless" is valuable, not meaningless.

It is meaningless when we are discussing Alex Smith and the Chiefs.

The post I was responding to was Clay said we were 1-6 in games we gave up 24 points in last year.

He missed the fact Smith didn't start in the SD game. So Smith lost 5 games last season as a starter.

We gave up 34 points a game in those loses on average and scored over 25.

Everything I stated was accurate, 24 points is not relative to the discussion we were having.

OK. Thank you for clarifying the specific conditions you were discussing. I will butt out.

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Dude, I'm one of the few that is with you on most things AS, but no ****ing way here.

I do think that if Romo traded places with Smith on those later 49ers teams Smith had I think they would have won a SB.

Dallas for whatever reason cannot field a complete team at any given point, either their defense is good and their offense is mostly garbage, or their offense gets better and then their defense gets old and degrades. It's weird.

I don't think romo would of beaten the giants with that 49er team. The giants were in a different planet than all the teams they beat that year. He prolly beats the ravens though

Romo's one of those guys that if he plays his game, he can be good for 4 td's easy. I would like to see what he would do if he had a complete team around him for a change, but then again **** Dallas so whatever. Romo just catches a ton of shit down here even though he is a 30-35 td/year Qb.

Clay is a secret Cassell fan..always knew it

Stafford is what Tyler Bray could be at best. Rocket armed QB without much of a football IQ.

Dalton
Cutler
Palmer
Romo
Ryan
Geno

I've never seen any of these QB's will their team or carry them in any way. They've all sucked or done nothing. Hell Kaepernick can't even beat a solid defense without help from his defense/offensive line.

Alex showed in Indy that he can be more than a game manager.

I still can't believe the pass that Romo gets with the fans. The guy is hot garbage and yet people still think he's awesome as fresh apple pie. The ****ing guy has screwed the pooch more times than you can count, and as Scottfree said, his been given ass tons of weapons during his time in Dallas. The guy can't get over the hump and, by the very definition of the CP QB experts, is dog shit because he can't win a playoff game.

He's a stat thrower. That's it.

But he banged Jessica Simpson and he golfs. So I love the guy.

Yeah

I think its funny that some ppl would rather have Smiff than Tony Romo. Romos 4th qtr problems are greatly exaggerated. There was a study a while back that proved he was better in the 4th qtr than Tom Brady

But not in the games that matter. Peyton is a master of the regular season.

Alex will rarely kill you with boneheaded mistakes at crucial times. The flip side is, he won't ball out either. Romo could do either, so with Romo you are more feast or famine. I don't want feast or famine. I want predictable to build around until I can find a QB with feast and no famine.

Smith hasn't won jackshit either. Despite benefiting from a stacked Niners team for at least some of his career, he has a whopping one playoff win to his name ever. In his last two playoff games, he choked to the tune of 1-13 on third down and then blew a 38-10 lead in the second half. Real "winner."

The only QB's I didn't vote for as better than Alex are Dalton, Hoyer, Palmer, Henne, Carr, Manuel, Glennon, Fitzpatrick, Locker, and Hill. Not exactly great company there.

You must be the kind of guy that dates a 6 for four years, even though you know the relationship isnt going anywhere and the sex sucks.

Did Glennon get a bad deal in Tampa? He put up decent stats for a rookie playing on a meh team.

I listed 9 QBs ahead of him and a couple were close. I find it amusing that every QB was picked by someone. The fact 9 picked a rookie who has never started a single game is laughable~

This.
I picked 10 who were better.

Proof positive that you're an idiot.

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It is hard to say really, the problem with Alex is he is so worried about protecting the ball he doesn't take chances and that is not always good. Sometimes chances can turn into great rewards.