Just so we are clear moving forward.
You are advocating that our GM listen to advice from GMs and scouts of other teams?

LOL.

Clay, you're really going to rile the homers up even more? They've just had their red and yellow dreams trampled and pissed on by Smith and Dorsey. Let them sulk for at least 24 hours before demanding your homage.

Absolutely.

It's why the Ravens have been able to add talent for years. The Browns IMO had a great draft this year by being able to evaluate the "absolute value" of Johnny Football instead of reaching in the top 5.

Or you're the Steelers sitting and waiting in the bottom 10 damned near every year and taking solid player after solid player.

Good franchises get it right year after year...

Cutting Flowers this year was plain stupid. The rest I agree with but the man had no money in his defense. That is not to say that he should have drafted Wr's and OL. It was stupid not to.

Those are only the ones we know about. With Mults I'm sure it's 100k more.

That is GoChiefs. He has nothing better to do. He probably is still living in his moms basement.

His takes are usually right on the money, true fans just don't want to hear them.

LMAO the homers are hostile.

**** off and die

Guarantee he owes a lot more than anyone owes him.

YEEHAW!

He's not the only one who saw this coming...

By the way, did anyone see what Benjamin caught today? 6 receptions 92 yards. Think we could have used Him today? Did Ford ever even see the field today?

wasn't it Wimpy in the Popeye movie that went around telling everybody, "You owe me an apology."?

Brandin Cooks - 7 rec/77yrds, 11.0 avg, 32 long, 1 TD

As you can tell John is very concerned, he's so worried he sat up and is having to beg for a blowjob...

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/I...B2QNKpSf7l.jpg

he was gone before we picked. He was who I hoped we were going to draft...

Yeah, but Benjamin wasn't right? Rookie debut... 92 yards. come on

Not getting a WR was ****ing stupid. Dee Ford is as worthless as a 3rd tit. The best wr available would have been the right choice. I ****ing hate this team. Hate it

He should at least HEAR what they're talking about. And he should know about any or all consensus opinions.

For example: 2014 is a stellar WR class. He should take the opportunity to draft one of those guys, since the best on the roster after Bowe and Avery are this shitty 4-headed monster of Hemingway/Jenkins/Hammond/undrafted ****face

FIRE JOHN DORSEY

At least Pioli had us $30 million under the cap

No, It was Olive's dad, Cole.

Its almost sad that Carl Peterson would be an upgrade over the last two clowns we have had at GM.

yep and he had a team good enough to make the playoffs with a better HC/QB

now that's a big,big issue but still

Pioli screwed up bad with Cassel and Haley and just couldn't get over it.


Looks like Dorsey just plain sucks

Prolly the Hunt family putting it to the fans for not liking their boy - they just keep hiring brain-dead shits!

Clark knows exactly how to work the fanbase of this franchise...

I have to say, he is doing quite well at it... From Herm (fix the defense, not touch the offense) to Crennel (just what this franchise needs, a players coach) to Reid (I can only Marty as good as Marty) to Pioli/Dorsey (couldnt draft players if the NFL handed them the draft picks.)

Clark in milking money from the lemmings and laughing all the way to the bank...

agree. And the Hunt family sucks balls. This city would do well to let them know they're not welcome, and they suck as people, just too many peole are happy with "having a team" (even if it'll never do shit)..

:hmmm:

We are significantly better on the D-line and the secondary. We are one really good receiver away from having a lot of excellent receiving options. We have 3 excellent backs. We have an improved QB. Could not have anticipated devastating injuries this year.

WR1, 1 or 2 new o-linemen at minimum. Get our players healthy again. This team isn't that far away. The only issue is that this team will go as far as Reid and Alex Smith go.

So far he has bombed out on two first round draft picks. Fish might actually become a average Left tackle by the time his rookie contract is up. Dee Ford sucks so bad he can't even get on the field except for special teams. If he ****s up the first round pick in 2015 they should can his ass.

Doesn't necessarily mean he sucks. Even JC has trouble getting on the field.

2 seasons and he should be fired?

Let me guess...

ALL OF YOU think you could do better.

AMIRITE? :D

Pioli is better? LMAO 2-14 Did you forget how bad this team was?

Peterson? He had 20 years and only managed 3 post season wins.

I'm not thrilled with Dorsey at this point, but you have to give it more than 2 years.

Pioli LMAO

Someone give me a team that changes GMs every 2 years if they are not producing quickly enough?

Dave if keeps missing on our first round picks its just going to keep setting us back. Also, look at what he has done to our offensive line after letting three of them leave in free agency. We sat on our hands during free agency and its hurting us. I do like some of the picks he drafted DAT , Kelce and now gaines. Just remember when he was giving the keys to this organization we had like the second or third most cap room in the NFL.

Consensus is deepest wide receiver draft in years and we don't get one. Dude ****ed it up. Fishers draft was a weak draft, but we got a seriously flawed and weak ass player. Not sure what he could have done there, but Fisher is over his head.

Is offensive line our only area of focus? We added a ton of dline and corner depth, and are surprisingly very good there. From last year, adding DAT and kelce has tremendously improved our receiving options. We have rb depth. And while our oline sucks, the starters today will actually make good backups.

And because we held back on spending this year, we will probably get 4 comp picks and saved enough money to keep young guys like Houston, Poe, hopefully a healthy berry. Keeping Schwartz makes it difficult to do stuff like that.

At full health, this team is still much better than last year's team.

Find a solid LG and you'll see vast improvement from Fisher.

As great as Roaf was, even he had a pretty damn good LG playing next to him.

Fisher will still suck. A good guard will just cover up flaws. He may be serviceable, but never be a star left tackle.

I was actually talking about Ford.

You don't need a 'star' anything on the OL.

Did absolutely nothing for the Chiefs 10 years ago.

Dude still sucks though. If that's the case, why in the **** would you draft Oline in round one?

Bulk him up. He has got to improve his on field intelligence and it's never going to live up to the number one pick, but silly for anyone to think he can't improve by a lot. Year 3, we'll know for sure what we have. I doubt he will come close to a pro bowl player, but good enough starter is absolutely possible.

I'm not defending the pick, I'm defending the player because we need him to be much better than what he is.

Then we should all send him vials of test and growth hormone for Christmas.

That's the worst rationalization. You don't need a star pass rusher because having DT, Neil Smith, Hali, Allen and Houston did nothing for the Chiefs. You don't need a star HB because Charles, Holmes and Allen did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a star DB because Collins, Berry, Cherry did nothing for the Chiefs. Don't need a top 3 offense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Vermeil's years. Don't need a top defense because that did nothing for the Chiefs during Marty's years.

LMAO WTF are you talking about? I said OL.

To clarify...

This was more of a shot at Peterson and Vermiel for not improving the D than anything else.

It starts with playcalling. Reid said he's the one calling the plays, so someone needs to yank those duties from him if he cannot commit to getting our best player the football.

Now, you must have an O-line to do anything on offense. You cant just say that the Chiefs had the best line in football for years and it did nothing. It was the driving force behind the most powerful offense in Chiefs history.

As for Roaf, he was a ****ing monstrous beast of a left tackle. I remember him going out for a few games with a hamstring and our offense literally crumbled. I don't care how good that "pretty good LG" in Brian Waters was, when Roaf left the lineup, that offense was pathetic. Ive NEVER seen such a huge drop in production because of the loss of one player up front. Roaf was amazing.

This line is the worst Ive seen in the entire time Ive been watching the Chiefs. QB under intense pressure at his second step of a dropback, backs being met 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage, blitzers running absolutely free and untouched regularly, I mean this is a ****ing disaster.

O-line is never popular with people watching the draft, but if you think that KC can just ignore the O-line with those 11 picks, then you're dead wrong. Wide receiver definitely needs to be addressed, and then O-line. Our guards are the worst in football.

Maybe getting Jeff Allen back after the bicep injury can alleviate some of that, but we've got to get guys in here that can play. Fisher is staying because of the price we paid in that 1st overall pick. Every effort must be exhausted to get this guy serviceable. Hudson absolutely must be retained as he's the best offensive lineman we have.


At this point, Im good with blowing up the team. I really wanted Tamba to stay, but he's lost more than a step. Watching him sprint after Manning, the slowest QB in the league, and not be able to get to him cast a spotlight on a very ugly truth that Tamba just isn't what he used to be. Cant pay that huge number for a guy that gets outrun on a rollout by a quarterback on the doorstep of 40 years old.

Houston's good, but he's not JJ Watt money good. One sack against the biggest rival we have? Pay him for his pass rushing talent, sure. But don't pay him like he's the total package. Hell, Eric Hicks got 14 sacks in 13 games one year. Doesn't mean we should've dropped 100 mil in his ****ing lap.

This team is so far from where it needs to be right now that its really quite sobering. Winning masks a lot of shit. There needs to be changes from the top down. Coaches AND players.

So far from where it needs to be?

Add two linemen, which good gms should be able to find on the cheap, and add a #1 receiver. Use the draft to find improvements everywhere else.

Lol at people who think we need to blow this team up. We have 11 draft picks next year and a lot of guys coming back from injury. I have a lot of fear about Reid and Smith being the guys to take us to the next level, but as long as they're our guys, it's ridiculous to suggest we should blow this thing up

Those 11 guys aren't going to make an impact for at least two seasons if they have any shred of talent.

Now is the time to blow the team up and play for the next four years.

DAT, gaines, knile Davis, kelce have made no impact on this team whatsoever. You're right. No rookie is going to make an impact.

The Chiefs will get dj and demetrius Harris back. If they don't get berry back, they'll have 8m or so to play around with. We will see next year what we have in commings and catapano. You'd hope Fisher and dee Ford improve. Those are organic improvements to guys we already have.

People forget that we basically blew up the team this year. But for some reason we are now bitching that this team isn't fully loaded.

DeAnthony Thomas is as bad as taking McCluster. KC needed a WR and they reached for a gadget play punt returner.

Except he's a liability in both aspects.

Catapano and Commings are done in professional football. DJ isn't going to be near as effective after shredding his ankle.

Demetrius Harris? Are you kidding me? Hed be a great candidate for NFL Europe. Fact is he is another two seasons away from being a competent third TE.

Kelce and Davis are the only decent players picked.. And both are backups.

Holy ****ing shit.

Commings and catapano are done? Where the **** is that coming from? Catapano is out this season because of a concussion. We don't know what we have in them. DAT has been an effective gadget receiver and should improve. No, he's not a primary receiver but he's a valuable role player. And Harris was very valuable to us when we ran 3 te sets, which we had a lot of success with. You're right, we should just cut all these guys before we know what we have in them.

You're delusional. We have a rag tag patchwork group of has beens manning our secondary. They absolutely suck. Smoke and mirrors. JFC

DJ is done, this team hasn't won anything with him nor will they in the future. Cut your losses and move on to younger players.

Mike Catapano.

You think some 7th round guy from the ****ing IVY LEAGUE is ever going to be a factor in his third year when he hasn't played in over a year and didn't do anything when he did play?

What the **** has Thomas done beside house one punt in the preseason?

Harris can be replaced next season by any blocking TE with an offseason of work with the team.

Sean Smith is surprisingly excellent. Gaines is arrow up. Our nickel options are Fleming, Parker, and Owens which is the best nickel and dime depth we've had since marty. Abdullah and Parker are good enough if you put them alongside a good safety like berry. Next year, we see what we have in commings.

Are people expecting we have 5 pro bowlers in the secondary? For a secondary we all predicted would be a shit show, this unit has been surprisingly good and we have unexpected depth.

I don't know what we have in him. But your reasoning for dismissing him is ridiculous. He was expected to be a quality contributor until he got hurt.

Yes - he is QUITE delusional. Hopelessly so in fact. He advocated for much of the product on the field (especially the OL) . I even suggested a self ban, for being so wrong, if proven to be the case...That way we'd all be spared his dumbassery this off season.

There are still people who believe Sanders "Mr. Glass" Commings is ever going to contribute ANYTHING? Really?

He couldn't stay healthy in college. He can't stay healthy as a pro. Odds are, he'll never stay healthy.

We're never "going to see what we have with Commings" because that guy can't stay healthy.

D'Anthony Thomas has been a decent piece, but the Chiefs needed to draft a real receiver, not a gadget receiver, in the 2014 draft. The first 3 rounds had loads of them, and KC passed on them all despite having a glaring and obvious need.

Once Moncrief went off the board in the 3rd, there was a significant drop-off in talent at WR.

It might be different if Dorsey had addressed WR through FA... but he didn't.

Dorsey is one of the only reasons we are as god as we are.

Ron Parker
Jaye Howard
Phillip Gaines
Husain Abdullah
Travis Kelce
Knile Davis
DAT

All these guys look like good players. Sure it's his fault that he didn't use our first rd pick to contribute this year, but Andy is the one who wanted Alex and cost us 2 2nd rd picks.

Dorsey has proven that he's able to bring in quality talent
Even without resources.

I fully expect us to bolster the OL and WR corps next year. Defense needs an ILB and one more run stuffer.

Ron ****ing Parker can die in an aids tree inferno. I award you zero points and May God have mercy on your soul.

SHOW ME THE GODDAMN POST WHEN I SAID WE HAD A GOOD OLINE AND RECEIVER CORPS.

holy hell, you've spouted this bullshit a million times and there isn't an ounce of truth to it.

I am talking about organic changes to this roster without lifting a finger. If commings plays well, great. If he doesn't... Our secondary has been surprisingly decent and deep.

Agree on everything else. Not drafting a receiver and whiffing on Sanders was a miss.

Sorry bud I still take phillip Gaines over any WR rd 3, especially after last night.

The kid is going to be a really good corner

Gaines is certainly developing nicely (though he's only the second-best rookie CB named Gaines in the NFL). I wasn't specifically saying "They should have taken Moncrief instead of Gaines"... just that there was a significant drop-off in WR talent after Moncrief went off the board in round 3.

The Chiefs likely could have gotten Gaines in Round 4 (as he was rated a Round 5 guy by many) or traded up to get him if necessary... but the better move would have been drafting Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Matthews instead of waste-of-sperm Dee Ford in round 1.

Bottom line... they had two picks with which they could have addressed the most glaring need on the team, but did not. That's a major failing.

The Gaines pick was a good one.

Where Dorsey struggles is the blue chip stuff. Big free agents, first round picks. He tries too hard to get cute and exploit tendencies. He mentioned drafting Ford because of his explosiveness, drafting Fisher because he believed long arms were the next ground for linemen, and picking up vance walker because he wanted one gappers who can quickly explode into the pocket.

If he treats the blue chips like he does the scrap guys, which is to focus on talent over forcing into scheme, hopefully he sees more success. Because you're right, he missed on some really good receivers to try to exploit a gimmick.

:clap: I applaud you sir for FINALLY saying SOMETHING I can agree with!

Not that it matters, because everyone is entitled to his/ her opinion - just easy to read something I agree with coming from you, rather than wanting to send my monitor flying across the room.

Again, if you read what was actually talked about in the offseason, you'd probably agree in hindsight more than you realize.

I never said the oline would be good. What I said is that good gms can build good olines while spending little money and using lesser draft picks. Dorsey has done that. But between 4 picks and multiple free agents, the oline talent is terrible. That is a problem with Dorsey, not the approach. He has to get better evaluating oline talent.

I got a lot of shit for saying we didn't need desean Jackson and jairus Byrd. Obviously, they'd both be huge upgrades. But look where we landed. We barely signed Alex Smith and we are scared as shit we won't extend Houston, berry, Hudson, or Poe. I still stand behind the approach to clean up the cap vs spend big money.

I predicted 7-9 and said I just wanted to see improvement. We've seen the worst case scenario. Even behind the worst offensive line we've seen in years, we will probably end up over. 500 against a brutal schedule.

I know the oline has to be much better. Obviously, our receivers suck. But whereas everyone had this ultimatum to win now, I said it would take two years and the only way it works is if Dorsey is nails. I think he's quietly built an excellent dline, secondary, tes, and backfield. His next step is to patch up the oline and bring some receiving weapons. He has whiffed big time on these two things so far so he better get that shit right next offseason.

There were a lot of people who predicted 2-14. It's amazing that because of one loss, Cp is siding with these people instead of the realists who predicted a 7-9 good or quite great yet year.

We (fans) didn't set the ultimatum to win now. John Dorsey set that expectation by trading for Alex Smith. That's not a "win in the future" move. That's a win-now move.

The issues with signing players comes down to a willingness to use big signing bonuses to "game" the salary cap. Teams like Denver are willing to do that. The Chiefs have never shown a willingness to do that, under any of the GMs in the salary cap era (MAYBE you can count the McGlockton signing under Peterson in 98 or whatever it was, but that's really it). Owner has to be willing to sign those checks...

After the Pioli ousting, I disagree that another three year losing rebuild was an option. We've quietly rebuilt this team without the pain of watching a complete shit show. Let's not act like Cp wouldn't be in the same state of pissiness if we chose to dismantle this team.

People got what they wanted.

Berry is gone and Parker is taking his place.

Happy now, CP?

The worst part about the win now move in trading for Smith is that they gave him a Cutler esque contract that removes any possibility of improving both facets of the team in free agency.

Congratz Dorsey, you suck.
 

I could only laugh at his ill-timed jump that ended in a completely blown opportunity. That and the out Gaines stepped in front of were ****ing Christmas gifts from Manning.

We didn't capitalize on either one.

Idk man Gaines was one of the best players at the combine. He had the 2nd best 3 cone of any DB and was top 5. With his long arms and confidence, I couldn't see him lasting to round 4.

I think you will see Dee Ford's value next season. Tamba looks slower and is wearing down. He can't last late in the season anymore. The guy will be lucky to get 8 sacks. I just don't see how we bring him back.
Ford has time to learn the game and go through his technique while getting even stronger.
Dorsey drafted this guy rd 1. He has the benefit of having the best Paas rusher taking all the attention as well as a very nice pass rushing DL.

$9 million is too much for an old worn down Tamba. Love the guy but it's time.

Or all the many missed tackles from Parker where he completely whiffed. Not aggressive tackling the ball carrier at all. Everytime i saw him, i couldn't help but to think that Berry would've made that play as he's done so many times in the past.

So i ask again, now that CP got its wish and Berry is gone with Parker starting in his place, are you happy?

Parker isn't terrible. Sure he didn't make the catch, but I'm thankful he at least was there oon position instead of not knowing where he is like Kendrick Lewis.

He's a JAG. A Jag that played well...but then reminded us he's a jag

It really depends on if you are a glass half full or half empty type of person. I look at Dorsey as someone who virtually ignored the OL and WRs and ILB.

I agree Davis, Kelce and at this point Gaines look good, but the other guys IMHO are just "guys" at this point.

I think DAT is more than a JAG. He was a great value for where he was taken.

I feel like Dorsey had no choice with the cap being so tight. You can't expect him to make this roster look good with no money and no picks.
What would this roster look like if he had both his 2nd rd picks?

This spring is the draft that needs to be the foundation. We can nab 4 quality players with all of our early picks.