This was straight-up a wrong decision, period. Batting Herrera while we were clinging to a 1-run lead was ridiculous.

and I straight up 100% disagree with you

it is what it is

If there was 1 out, it might be more defensible. At least if he Ks the inning is still alive. It's also defensible if Herrera looked like he had EVER swung a bat in his life. Seeing him actually go up there proves to me he had almost 0% chance of getting a hit.


Herrera is a good pitcher. But he's not Davis or Holland. Burning him for a PH isn't like you screw the pooch or that you don't have other options.

Our lineup is the same as last night

I don't feel like arguing it. I have no problem calling out Ned when I think he ****s up. This, IMO, was just fine. With H D H and a 3 - 2 lead ... I certainly wanted H #1 to get the 7th inning

Fun fact: if you pinch-hit in the middle of the at-bat while there are 0 or 1 strikes and he strikes out, the K is credited to the pinch hitter. If there were 2 strikes, the strikeout is credited to the guy he pinch-hit for.

http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPoll...pollId=4557561

I was in the majority

I'm not certain why Finnegan couldn't have pitched to Pence. RH hitters are only 3-18 against him so far with no power. Small sample size but still.

Do work, al.

I want Herrera/Davis/Holland in the 7th - 9th in games we're leading. Period. I thought Ned should've brought in Davis when he brought in Finnegan.

Herrera might not be available tonight because of yesterday

it's the World ****ing Series

he better be

or they better plan on pitching Davis 2 tonight

yes that 'at bat' definitely worked his arm too hard:D

Pivotal game!

Go Royals!!!

too many pitches bro. A tired arm is a dead arm and becomes batting practice or walks or both. Just ask Shields.

He threw almost 60 pitches in 3 days. There's a pretty good reason to believe he might not be effective if he goes again tonight. I don't know why you are so down on Finnegan, especially after how he pitched earlier this postseason. He saved our ass in the wild card game.

Davis can easily go 2-3 innings imo especially if he has 8-10 pitch innings.

I like Finnegan. I really do.

But it's the World Series.

If you want to make Herrera unavailable, Davis should pitch 2.

and then if he's unavailable Sunday, Holland should pitch 2.

He will be. It's the world series. All hands on deck for the last 4 games of the season. Especially if there is a chance to go for the jugular.

Finnegan in his spot or Frasor or matchups?

Mentioned it before, but he was 2-4 MPH lower on most of his pitches last night.

Finnegan is the key cog in this pitching rotation and is an 'old soul kid' who believes he was born not only to pitch in the show but win in the WS. He is a 21 y.o. kid with a 35 y.o. demeanor and is having fun and not afraid to have fun either.

He'd better serve us tomorrow with some rest. If he pitches tonight, he's definitely out tomorrow, unless you think tomorrow will be a loss vs Bumgarner.

Four moar hours can time change now?


I hate time change it's thickening

Lets do this!

and there you go. Sit him and have him rest up.

I'm hoping Vargas goes 7. If not, then Frasor/Finnegan needs to get us there, and Davis should be ready if whoever pitches in the 7th gets in trouble.

Ned has said that he believes that Herrera's arm is a lot better suited to pitching multiple innings than Davis, but that he'd go to Davis for more than 1 inning if he really had to.

I'm guessing if Vargas is out after 6, then someone else will start the 7th, and Ned will reluctantly get Davis up if he has to.

Does Frasor worry anybody ??

When will Duffy see any action you think ??

In two games it will be took the crown instead of take the crown

What we really need is a blowout. Score 7 or 8 and put it away early. We're never going to be more likely to do that this series than tonight against Vogelsong.

It's the same lineup as yesterday

Given a clean inning? No. I might be nervous if he has to face the 3, 4, 5 and I don't think he'll pull off the Houdini escapes that Herrera's done coming in with lots of baserunners and 0 or 1 out.

If we have a chance tonight you go for the win tonight. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow.

Let's hope.

SF is going with Juan Perez in left instead of Ishikawa. Pence and Sandoval were also flipped.

Well obviously this would be the preferred option. I don't really see us doing that but it sure would be nice.

And we have the same lineup as yesterday

again, the point is not "saving" herrera, it is that he might not be effective tonight, but he could be tomorrow.

Precisely. Always go for the win. Whether it's tonight or Sunday it's all gravy in KC:D

:hmmm:

Why not? We've seen this team jump on some pitchers. They are due for a home run or two as well.

Just because the Giants backs are against the wall. If they lose this game they're in big trouble. They aren't the kind of team that is likely to go quietly into the night. I'd sure like to see it, but I'm not expecting it.

So that will magically make Vogelsong have better stuff? :)

Gordon inching his way back towards the leadoff spot


Breaking News: Hootie put on suicide watch

LMAO

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He's no worse than Vargas.....

Vargas was very good in his 2 starts this month.

Better than Vogelsong.

We'll see...

2 hours 25 minutes to game time.

giggity

Time to drop the hammer.

This is great

We are a lethal road team, when was the last time we lost a road game?

JFC. Stop typing.

Herrera made my butthole clinch yesterday. :(

Vogelsong is 3-0 is 6 career postseason starts with a ERA of 2.18

Stats disagree

RHP Ryan Vogelsong (8-13, 4.00 ERA, 2.60 K/BB in 184 2/3 innings)

LHP Jason Vargas (11-10, 3.71 ERA, 3.12 K/BB in 187 innings)

Vogelsong also pitches in the NL, which makes the difference larger

Vogelsong is 3-0 in his last 6 postseason starts with a ERA of 2.18

I cracked a big ass smile when I saw that. So cool...

Is it just me or is the Tech /TCU game dragging on and on? The clock just keeps stopping. I'm starting to think I might miss the pregame show for the world series.

Good lord. They have a 4 hour window block for this game and it still isn't likely long enough. College football games are way too damn long.

That is a sample size of a whopping 6 games sprinkled over 3 years.

That makes the stat so useless that it should be disregarded entirely.

They would toss that game onto FoxSports1 faster than you can say "Horned Frogs!" in order to accomodate the WS

Can we pound their asses tonight please

I'm ready to watch the royals beat down the Giants

whats your problem

I think this is a grand idea. I mean grand slam idea.

I would even settle for a moderate shellacking

For a Saturday today is dragging along slowly. Let's go already!!!

does a win tonight seal the deal would you think? with our pitching and bullpen, do you really think the giants could take 3 in a row from us?

STOP. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Talkin' bout winnin' BRO

I like to think in probability distributions, so I think game 5 is is about 62% SF, game 6 is about 55% KC, and game 7 is a tossup.

So, given that, if we win tonight I'd say its 86% for KC.

You make needing two feet in in college football and you reduce the games by 45 mins at least. I swear, shit is way too long.

Royals BP http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...06bb66a122.jpg

No way could a team win 3 in a row.

/1985 Cardinals after game 4

They didn't have the Cerberus bullpen though

Can you all stop quoting jinxroyals54?

I know, but it's baseball. Shit happens. The Cerberus bullpen doesn't help much if it if we're down 5-1 going into the 7th.

Clearly you didn't see the game 3 thread, everyone was saying Ned was making all the right moves w/ the lineup. If that isn't a jinx what is

Something tells me that Broyals won't be posting in this thread much longer

He's on ignore now.

Maybe 29 years and a lot of suffering from now, he will understand.