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Dexter mcluster not the weapon advertised.
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That's fine. Go look at the 2nd round in : 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 and report back your findings Thanks. |
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Dex is a solid turd. Not starting material. And he too will be onto his third team sooner rather than later, once the Titans tire of his "playmaking." |
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Good teams consistently find good players in the 2nd round. Not always, but better than 50 50 I'd think |
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the Patriots and Packers? Steelers? Care to really go down this road? |
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Even that, when you look at the 2nd round as a whole, there are good players available that can be solid starters |
2nd round picks should be better than a 50/50 shot. They need to be good starters. Ya a lot of them were bad 2010, but Dex really did suck. He really is a 4th round talent.
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The Steelers VAUNTED 2nd round picks from 2006 - 2013 (including 1 1st #32 because in 2 years they didn't even have a super awesome valuable 2nd round pick)
Woodley Limas Sweed Ziggy Hood (#32) Jason Worilds Marcus Gilbert Mike Adams Le'Veon Bell ON TO THE PACKERS |
5 of those 7 are solid starters or were at one time though
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2011 2nd round hits:
Aaron Williams Andy Dalton Colin Kaepernick Jabaal Sheard Bruce Carter Brooks Reed Kyle Rudolph Rahim Moore Orlando Franklin Lance Kendricks Stefen Wisniewski Stephen Paea Rod Hudson Torrey Smith Greg Little Randall Cobb One thing in common. SOLID STARTERS. |
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Jason Worilds is a pretty good starter at OLB, too. They're viable NFL starters. Do you watch the NFL? |
If you draft a WR in the 2nd he should have a chance to be Torrey Smith or Randall Cobb or Golden Tate or at LEAST Greg Little.
Dex is none of those guys. |
Packers:
Daryn Colledge Greg Jennings Brandon Jackson Jordy Nelson Brian Brohm Patrick Lee Mike Neal Randall Cobb Jerel Worthy Casey Hayward Eddie Lacy (They're really good at WR's, but what else? This bodes well for us with Dorsey! Or we need Aaron Rodgers...) |
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Thus, also highlighting, a solid starter is about 50/50 at best. Even with the creme de la creme of the NFL. |
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I'm willing to bet there are more 2nd round WR busts than hits in the 2000s |
The VAUNTED 2nd round WR class of 2013:
Justin Hunter Robert Woods Aaron Dobson |
Pioli probably envisioned McCluster being Golden Tate when he picked him.
Welp. No. He got the black Julian Edelman...who was drafted in the 7th ****ing round. That's the value we got with #36. |
Little better in 2012:
Brian Quick Stephen Hill Alshon Jeffery Ryan Broyles Rueben Randle |
this is like the Royals thread that says
"oh by golly gee we drafted Moose over Bumgarner! we're idiots!" |
Looks like wr is a pretty good position to take a shot on in the 2nd.
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50/50 2011
Titus Young Torrey Smith Greg Little Randall Cobb and anyone who thinks Greg Little > Dexter McCluster is a moron |
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IMAGINE THAT! Research continues! |
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2010:
Dex Benn Tate ***FOOTNOTE*** When Clay was originally pissed about us taking Dex, it was because we took him over Benn. For comedic relief, feel free to search posts with "Arrelious Benn" and go back to the offseason after Dex's rookie year. |
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Dex doesn't. His entire game as a WR is within 7 yards of the LOS. I'm pretty sure 32 NFL GMs would make that trade. |
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I was wrong about Benn, but OBVIOUSLY YOU DICK THE OTHER PLAYERS WERE BETTER PICKS. |
You chose to go to war over benn, turned out that was horrendously wrong. I'd think by association, your bitching ability about this matter should be nil
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I also think you have to evaluate these pucks at the time they were made. Using hindsight makes it tough because alot of draft pick success vs failure depends on the situation they're placed in
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No I didn't. Hootie just cherry picks that guy out of the other 12 because he can't admit he was wrong about McCluster. Has Hootie ever admitted he was wrong about anything, though? |
I have sold a bit of stock on Colin Kaepernick, no doubt. Not all of it, but definitely some.
I'm certainly not wrong about Dexter being a solid, albeit forgettable 2nd round pick. I was distracted. Back to 2nd round receivers. |
2009 was a very strong WR draft
Robiskie Massaquoi Nicks/Britt late 1st rounders |
holy shit 2008 is the best 2nd round WR class ever!!!
Donnie Avery Devin Thomas James Hardy (who?) Eddie Royal DeSean Jackson Malcom Kelly (who?) Limas Sweed (who?) Dexter Jackson (who?) |
If Dexter McCluster gets put on a team with a brain, they'll get a solid slot possession option with very reliable hands. 400-500 yards and a good 3rd down option. With a decent coverage unit, you'll also get a solid return guy.
It's not a great 2nd round pick. But that is better production than a good chunk of 2nd rounders out there. |
2007! KOBE!!!
Anthony Gonzalez (32) Sidney Rice Dwayne Jarrett Steve Smith (NYG) |
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With Alex Smith? Yeah, maybe. Would you take Wes Welker in the 2nd round? |
2006:
Chad Jackson Sinorice Moss Greg Jennings MAN! IT'S REALLY EASY TO PICK WR'S IN THE 2ND ROUND! THEY ARE BASICALLY LOCKS |
2005: PERCENTAGES TRENDING DOWN
Reggie Brown Mark Bradley Roscoe Parrish Terrence Murphy Vincent Jackson |
2004: WOW! AWESOME!
Devery Henderson Darius Watts Keary Colbert |
2003: Can I rest my case yet?
Taylor Jacobs Bethel Johnson Anquan Boldin Tyrone Calico Kelley Washington (65) |
Look, RICHARD.
No one is saying Dex is the worst 2nd round pick ever. He's clearly better than scabs like Arellious Benn. But is he a below average 2nd rounder? Abso-****ing-lutely? He's certainly no Rodney Hudson. |
The moral of the story here, is, (and I'm looking at you drafturbators)...
STOP THINKING 2ND ROUND PICKS ARE SURE FIRE SOLID STARTERS / PRO BOWL CALIBER PICKS. It's not the case. You may luck out and get a Brandon Flowers here and there...or a Gronk...or a Kaepernick... but the odds are not in your favor The Dexter's are like a wash. Not a Flowers, not a Tyrone Calico...but a solid 2nd round pick, again, albeit forgettable. |
He's not a below average 2nd round pick.
He's probably a slightly above average 2nd round pick. Maybe, considering the fact he was #36 overall, he is middle of the pack in 2nd round value. But, again...still a fine pick, and again, albeit forgettable. |
He's not a below average 2nd round pick.
He's probably a slightly above average 2nd round pick. Maybe, considering the fact he was #36 overall, he is middle of the pack in 2nd round value. But, again...still a fine pick, and again, albeit forgettable. |
Is it just me or was McCluster not bad for us?
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A real WR and we might have not been poverty passing game INC since 2006. Imagine if Alex had Golden Tate last year in that playoff game...I bet we would have won. |
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Imagine if we were able to trade our pick every year, after the season, for the best player drafted any pick after the pick we drafted in for every single round!
we'd probably win a playoff game! |
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The best of the best drafting teams probably hit on about 40% of their 2nd round picks. Tops. It's like 55% for 1st rounders, tops, too. Anything after the 2nd? Total crapshoot...albeit 3rd and 4th round picks still have certain amount of value. 5th - 7th? Shit. More UDFA's pan out every year than players from those rounds. |
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In those other years, Dex was far more a hindrance to the team because we were forcing ourselves to think of ways to give him the ball. |
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2 starters still with the team 2 starters that the team let go due to salary cap shit 4 duds 7/11 2nd round picks they hit on, where they got starter-quality production out of them. |
Eddie Lacy is an ultra stud starter, eh? I disagree on that one. I'd take Knile Davis over Eddie "overrated Alabama back" Lacy. 2nd round pick RBs should be ULTRA STUD STARTERS like 80% of the time, by the way.
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we get to count Dexter as a hit, right? |
Knile Davis is another example of just how poverty McCluster is.
Davis was picked in the third round and is a MUCH better player...it's not even close. A lot more value. |
different positions
3rd round RB's, also, should have a success rate of about 70%, at least You can find great RB's all over the place...taking one in the 1st round is ultra ****ing stupid. A 3rd round RB is basically like a late 1st round talent |
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That's what McCluster had during the Haley/Daboll years |
Ok?
And Dexter was sure handed and pretty freaking good for us in 2013 IMHO Solid 2nd round pick. He just was. BUT AT LEAST WE DIDN'T TAKE GENO SMITH #1 OVERALL, SNR AND CLAY, DRAFT GURUS!!! |
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He got used as a possession slot guy who was perhaps our best route runner on the team. If he had been used that way all along, I would sing a different tune on McCluster's time in KC. But he wasn't. And he's not with the Titans. And when we just discovered a talent like Jamaal Charles who does the things with speed and quickness and elusive vision that he did in 2009, it was stupid and irresponsible of Pioli/Haley to draft McCluster to take those plays and touches away from Charles. Again, if we drafted McCluster and just said, "Slot receiver and return guy" and ****ing used him that way, I wouldn't have a problem. And I think he would have been helpful to the offense. Before Andy Reid got here, he wasn't. He was a hindrance. Want me to say it one more time, jackass? |
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I would be pleased if Dorsey hit on about half of his 2nd rd picks and roughly 65% effective overall in the first 3 rounds.
So far he appears to be on track for round 3 though. |
Dexter would have been a solid 5th round pick. 2nd round for him was and will always be overdrafting on a biblical scale.
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DAT is a better player than DMC and he was a 4th round pick. DMC was a solid player on ST's but if I'm drafting a player in the top 40 I want a guy who is a fast, strong unique difference making caliber player on offense or defense.
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wasn't Tennessee trying to use McCluster has a RB/Gadget guy instead of a WR/Gadget?
same stupid shit Haley tried He doesn't have the ability to making people miss with the ball. You have to use his quickness to get to a spot and then throw him the ball behind the defenders. |
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RECANT, HOOTIE. |
No, because people clearly don't understand the value of certain draft picks.
Dexter in the 4th would have been a tremendously great pick. An awesome 4th round pick. He was a slightly above average 2nd round pick. Albeit, again, forgettable. Someday people are going to realize on this site that 2nd round picks are merely a coin flip, at best. Brandon Flowers' are about 1 in 10. |
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TJ Ward
Gronk Jason Worilds Sean Lee Golden Tate All better than DMC. Golden Tate is a bigger, stronger better version of DMC. Not sure why he wasn't the pick. Remember him being very well liked pre-draft by analysts. |
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I think he's sort of mediocre - hell of a good NCAA player though - nobody can argue that much.
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Dorsey clearly likes the fast, strong playmaking players and DMC wasn't all that. Hell we saw it in the playoff game. This ****er couldn't do anything running the ball and it killed us. |
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I think Pioli is such a big fraud in many ways. Berry-a monkey could make this pick Houston-played in the 3-4 system at Georgia with RAC's friend who is the coach. Hmm think RAC wanted this guy more than Pioli? Poe-said he wanted to play for RAC. I bet anything RAC was the guy who knew this guy would be good. He has a track record after all. |
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But we lost six starters...
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McCluster is an above average 2nd round pick? No way.
He's average at best. |
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However, when Reid got here, one of the things he said was thaat he couldn't wait to use McCluster. He mentioned that he looked at drafting him in Philly. After working with him for one year in KC, he let McCluster walk. That should show you what Andy Reid thinks of his talent now. |
McCluster might as well have been called Dexter McCassel.
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McCluster isn't who you blame for his draft position. It's the incompetent front office that took him in the 2nd that was responsible for that.
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