Sign Parker next and work Houston in the offseason.

Nice pick Pioli!

Off the chart expectations for all but 1 player LMAO

I don't think that anyone hates this signing . . .

Forgot about Hudson then Parker.

It looks more and more like his downfall was Cassel and inability to get a decent head coach.

Very good year and hope he continues to do that for the next 4 years.

The two most important parts of a successful franchise. ;)

I wonder how they are going to bring back Hudson and Parker while still leaving room to extend Houston?

Hali is definitely gone next year.

Right. Of course the TJ pick didnt help but he did find a few gems.

Excellent!

Lol, and people were hating on Dorsey.

Fair enough.

And yeah, I love defenses like Zona with Campbell and Dockett. As far as the Texans go, JJ Watt is basically 2 defenders.

40 million dollar contracts for everybody!!

Bailey has been playing awesome this season.

If you haven't noticed, you might want to get less drunk on Sunday and actually watch him play.

Great job. Now I hope Dorsey adds another player with the skills like him in the draft. Gotta have a great rotation.

Pioli's downfall was his ego, and both of these are examples of it. He couldn't admit failure with Cassel, and his ego wouldn't allow head coaches to coach... he just wanted them to be a proxy for Pioli. He's the only GM I can remember (outside of Al Davis, who was FAR more accomplished than Pioli ever will be) that dictated scheme on both offense and defense and forced his coaches to work within his tiny bubble of experience.

15 mil guaranteed.

Have to see how it breaks down yearly

2016 cap is clean.

Signing bonus in year 1 with low base salary. In some cases, create a third year kicker. It won't be that hard.

I'm not a knee jerk fanatic as some on here are. I won't grab the pitch fork at the first sign of trouble nor will I immediatly fellate him when he does something good.

I'm more of an attaboy or not good guy.

That being said, I believe he gets an attaboy here.

Direckshun was way off guessing 4 mil per year

Shocked, I am.

Ummmmm no.

Jackson and baldwin disagree...


Arenas, mccluster, and brown wave hello...

McGee, asomoah,moeaki are smiling at you...

Washington, Wylie, Brown, Lewis, sheffield,stanzi, Miller, Menzie, Lawrence, all say **** you.

Not saying he as great but he add some nice players in Houston, Bailey, Hudson, Powe, Berry and signed Charles on the cheap. The talent wasnt as bad as the record.

May as well toss Succop on the garbage pile, too

He sucked cock.


Those were all no brainers.

Stuff Pioli gets credit for:
-Charles contract
-The 2011 trade down that got us Houston
-Hudson, Bailey, and Poe
-Keeping the front office stairwells clean of candy wrappers

Stuff Pioli was handed on a silver platter:
-**** ton of cap room
-All those dudes from the 2008 draft as well as DJ, Bowe, Hali, Colquitt, and Tony Gonzalez's corpse worth a 2nd round pick
-The Eric Berry and Justin Houston picks (I think even Carl could have made those picks)

Stuff Pioli screwed up:
-Everything, including not knowing a QB from his own asshole and being the hated scourge of every possible head coaching candidate in the country

Good news and a good call.

Houston was . 3rd round pick and most of the board hated the Poe pick.

Id kick him in the nuts if I ever saw him but in hindsight wasnt horrible at aquiring talent. A good coach and avg QB would have made him look much different IMO.

Like the Move. I'm warming up to this Dorsey Guy

Dorsey is Awesome.

That's like saying if Andy Reid weren't so ****ing fat he could run a marathon.

Pioli was never going to get that QB and coach. He married himself to Cassel even when he had multiple chances to undo that wrong. It was apparent that he totally believed Cassel was a franchise QB. A bad decision is one thing, but refusing to alter course in 4 years is unforgivable.

And based on who he was, what he represented, and his awful reputation, NOBODY wanted a part of his shit sandwich that he was serving. You can't just say, "Oh, if he had found the right coach, it would have been okay." No self-respecting coach was going to work for this prick, and even if a good coach DID make himself available for an interview, Pioli would never ****ing hire him because his myopic ass wouldn't be able to get past the fact that the coach didn't spawn out of Bill Parcells' butthole.

Pioli was barred from success from Day One because of himself, not because of his talent evaluations or his decisions.

I can't wait until Atlanta fans call for a public execution of him and his butt buddy Dimitroff. And once that happens, the NFL will finally flush him down the toilet as a dishonorable piece of shit.

Houston was a no brainer talent wise in the third.

didn't Fat Scott admit what you guys are talking about in this thread on his 1 year off television tour last year?

He was playing hindsight to shine himself up for a new job on how he regretted not drafting Dalton and Kaepernick and scouted them both. He was trying to take credit for all the players he missed.

For all the mistakes Pioli made, passing on Dalton wasn't one of them. Thank god we aren't saddled to that turd.

It's not only that. Haley wanted Hasselbeck and he wanted Kaepernick. So it wasn't just Pioli ignoring his scouts. He was going it alone because of his stubborn love for his QB.

He is better than Cassel

So? He still sucks.

Not in the playoffs. They're both dumpster fires who shit their pants in January

So.. it was a mistake for Pioli to stick with Cassel instead of taking Dalton. He is right about that.

Maybe but he would havd had Dalton on a 2nd round contract instead of Cassel making over 10 mil. on/year. When you pay QBs you have to figure you give up talent at other places when you get QBs cheap you can provide a better supporting cast. That gets over looked a lot. Its not as simple as player A vs Player B.

When you sit back and realize that 2014 was always going to be a difficult year for the Chiefs because of the draft and the FAs we lost its amazing that we are 6-3 and control our own destiny as far as getting into the playoffs go.

I think we can all admit that something is working extremely well in KC.

First, it's coaching. Not just Reid but the entire staff that he brought with him. Just a few years ago it seemed like we had a coaching staff of four, and our HC wouldn't let the OC coach. Now we probably need to charter a second plane just to transport our coaching staff. It's insane, but awesome.

Second, the front office has been outstanding in finding players that fit the system and could replace many of the guys we lost. 2015 will be the first year that Dorsey and his staff can really approach the draft trying to find the best player possible. I'm excited to see what they do.

No, it would have been going from one bad decision to another

No wonder he picked his game up. Contract year.

LOL whatever. He's 25. These are they guys you keep.

The coaching has been excellent. But let's not forget that with a pile of shit QB carousel under Pioli, we still managed a playoff game and were 1 win away from making the playoffs the following year. This team has always been a QB away from being competitive. Regardless of your opinion of Alex Smith, he's a legit NFL QB whereas Cassel, Quinn, and Palko definitely were not. It's just a shame that for 3 years, Pioli wasted 3 years of that window.

Incredible overpayment if you ask me. This makes him the 7th highest paid 3-4 DE in the NFL in terms of average cap hit per year. He'll be the 31st highest paid Defensive Lineman in the NFL overall in terms of average hit.

There are only fifteen 3-4 defenses, so 7th isn't that high. That list also includes several players in their rookie and final contracts
He is slotted right above DeVito and Tyson Jackson. That's about right
The per year average doesn't matter. The only thing we know is that $2.5M per year is guaranteed. It's possible that his contract includes a high base salary in his 4th year of the contract (which will be easy to cut, if he's no good)

If Tyson Jackson is worth $5M and Devito is worth $4M, Bailey sure as shit is worth $6M.

We both know Jackson isn't worth 5 M... In any event, the part I"m curious about is how backloaded the contract is as you mention. If it is, then I'm more satisfied. If it is at all top heavy, kiss a fan favorite's ass goodbye next season (Hali, Bowe, Berry, etc)

Also wanted to add that his minimum cap hit in 2015 will be around 3.5 million given his minimum base salary plus the bonus. This will affect some offseason plans.

Yeah, but look at the players slotted above and below Allen Bailey (not on rookie or veteran contract). Not a ton of impressive names.

The Chiefs can re-sign anyone they want to. This year was going to be hard. Next year will not be tough. There's plenty of ways to do it.

There's not that many ways to do it... I've talked about that quite a bit in the draft thread about the cap. There are options, but every one is a pick your poison scenario. Nothing changes the fact that KC has 20 free agents and nearly 10 million in cap space with the rollover and advance of the salary cap figured in. This move reduces that free agent total to 19, but easily drops the cap space to under 7 million. KC still has to retain Houston. You can get there, but some names people like around here will roll.

If Bailey is worth $25 mil over 4 years to Dorsey, what is Houston worth?

Nothing short of 6y/86mil if you ask me

The 25 million dollar number is dressing, the guaranteed money is all that matters.

$10M in cap increase
Walker, Devito, Daniel, Fasano, Mays... a pool of $12-15M to draw from
Hali can be cut or restructured, saving you up to $12M

Big contracts like Berry's or Houston's can be handled through a large signing bonus with a year 2 or 3 roster bonus kicker, and an almost zero dollar base salary in year 1. It's a way to defer your cap hit to later years. The Chiefs would be more than happy to make these kinds of investments knowing that Bowe, Hali, and Sean Smith's large contracts will probably be off the books in 2-3 years.

The Chiefs can easily sign anyone they want. Thank goodness they spent this year cleaning their cap vs. listening to fans who wanted to dump a bunch of money on expensive players like Byrd and Desean Jackson.

Even though the report is that $15M is guaranteed, given the signing bonus, the first 3 years are pretty much guaranteed. The cap hit to cut him in year 3 will probably be about the same as the cost to keep him.

So we're looking at a Robert Quinn type deal.

This is a big blow for them they are hurting at CB.

The*San Diego Chargers*have given up on the idea of getting*Jason Verrett*back this season.

The teamannounced Saturday*that Verrett has been placed on injured reserve. The first-round pick had been attempting to rehab his left shoulder, which has a labrum tear in three places in addition to a rotator cuff tear.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported later in the day that Verrett*will have shoulder surgery this week, per a source who has spoken to the cornerback. The source also informed Rapoport that the cover man is expected to make a full recovery before next offseason.

Good, makes our rematch game against them an easier matchup.

Didn't he have injury issues in college too?

Not really, he only had that should injury his final year I believe. Had to get it fixed during the draft process.

Remember reading alot of teams had taken him off their board because they thought the shoulder would always be an issue

Nah, they dropped him because he measured under 5'10" at the combine.

You are an idiot. Almost all the guaranteed money was paid up front.

Louis Riddick

There were pre-draft concerns. #durability. RT:@UTgehlken: Chargers have placed Jason Verrett (shoulder) on IR. Labrum tear too significant.

I'm not looking for links but I vaguely remember seeing stuff about it

From a cap hit standpoint, ten of the 15m guaranteed is spread throughout the contract. But yeah... This is not an expensive contract. That part I agree with you

Will never happen.

Stuck, we are.

Fair contract, he's been very solid this year and earned the extension.

I keep telling you but you keep not listening about the cap increase... The Chiefs already have just over 135 million tied up next year in top 51 contracts before this move and before the Sherman move. The cap increases from 133 to 140 million next year. 140 - 135 = 5. They an rollover about 4.5 from this year. In the other thread they have 9.1 million with the cap rollover. They need, probably, at least 8 of that to sign the draft class.

That leaves you with the pool you described plus about 1 million. Justin Houston, if retained is easily going to cost near the upper echelon of pass rush contracts, which means about 14 million cap hit, on average per year. We'll see how that shakes, but it would have to be awful friendly to the Chiefs in 2015 and escalate to rather enormous numbers thereafter to hit what he'll command. So if you are intent on re-signing Houston, that ate up your pool.

That leaves you with Hali to do anything else of note, which would also include re-signing Hudson, who will probably command somewhere in the 4.5 to 7 million per range.

Even if you do all that, you have to re-sign some of the other 17 free agents the Chiefs have out there, most notably you'll need to re-sign about 10 of them. Even if they average out at league minimums, you're going to need around 9 million in space to do that.

My, your tone changed quickly.

Hell! Bailey wouldn't have gotten this contract had Devito not gotten injured. This HC benched him too. Makes you wonder where the disconnect lies.

Great signing.

:clap:

I get that I am blowing this thread up, but there is so much to respond to.

With that said, yes he gets an atta boy for THIS signing. But for the depth he has brought in, for the wise choices of who to let go and who to retain, and the draft picks who are contributing he deserves a good guy, as you put it.

Don't forget that, yes he made the trade to get that 3rd round pick, but Houston being available at that pick was a gimme. It's not like he traded down in hopes Houston was there.

:clap:

I don't care about the exact number of the cap increase. $5M. $10M. It doesn't matter. Between the cap increase, Hali restructure or cut, and lots of veterans with expendable contracts, the Chiefs have plenty of wiggle room.

The more important point is you keep pointing to Houston's $14M cap figure as if that's what you have to pay him. You don't have to. Same with Berry. You can easily significantly reduce their year 1 cap figure by delaying a roster bonus. Again, these are things I wouldn't have done this year, but in 2015 there's PLENTY of opportunities for creative contract structuring.

By the way....
Alex Smith is getting paid $4.6M this year.

That tells you what you need to know. The Chiefs should have no problem keeping their guys on this team.

Not sure why his number matters this year other than maybe a little rollover, but his number next season is $15.6M. Any rollover from him is more than ate right back up in his own increase.

I'm only pointing to Alex Smith as an example that it's easy to set up a contract with a low year 1 cap hit. There's no reason why Justin Houston should cost $14M in year 1, no matter how big his contract.