Yes.

He's earning $11.6 million dollars this season so I expected him to play commensurate to his salary.

It seems like it's "okay" to slam Dwayne Bowe for his contract, even though he's on pace for a good season but mentioning how poorly Berry is playing in relation to his salary is sacrilegious to some.

that's bullshit. thats like if a business gave you a raise for your performance then you get in a car accident and can't work for 10 weeks then they decide to take your raise away because you haven't performed like you did previously. who'd want to work for them and how ****ed up does that sound?

You're missing the point, entirely.

Eric Berry is healthy. If that's true, and the Chiefs are giving him plenty of snaps that prove that he's healthy, he should have transformed this defense the minute he stepped onto the field.

He's being paid $11.6 million dollars to be an impact player. If he was truly injured, he would be on the bench. It doesn't matter if he's "two games back" when he's played in 48 NFL games.

He's not producing at a level commensurate to his salary.

I think you're being way way way and extremely impatient.

Neither is Alex Smith then.

Alex Smith isn't being paid to be the best QB in the league.

Eric Berry is being paid to the be best safety in the league.

Impatient? Why? Because he was injured?

Is he earning less because he was injured?

he's definitely our most popular player and the Chiefs know that

he came out of the tunnel last and was announced last when I was there against Seattle and everyone went nuts

wish he play was as good as I thought it was going to be

I thought he was the next big NFL safety like Reed or Polamalu

Good player, but hasn't justified his selection IMHO

Pro Bowler

Eric is the most overrated player this team has ever had IMO.

:rolleyes:

Now how can you say that? His College Coach and every coach in the pros he has had see's him playing up on the line of scrimmage. As for Earl Thomas we have not seen him at anything other than Free Safety who is to say him could play Strong and do well. Thats just a guess on your part with no facts to back it up. Berry we have seen at both and he is not earning his payday. If he is hurt he needs to set his ass down and not hurt the team.

What is smith's pay compared to other QBs?

didn't he have a great year after his acl injury that landed him the extension? he'll bounce back from an ankle sprain but to expect this from any player out 9 games and come back 2013 form in 2 games 4 days within eachother...yea I'm saying you're being impatient.

We were gashed by the run last your and DJ was around. By teams also salivated and passed all over us. I think we are right where we are even if DJ was here.

I haven't seen much evidence to support the conclusion that he's playing poorly.

Has he made poor plays? For damned sure. As have Alex Smith, Poe, Houston, etc. Hell, Jamaal has made some shit-ass plays this season.

He also isn't appearing impactful on the stat sheet, I admit, but neither is anyone in our secondary. People were praising Parker as an All-Pro after one good Buffalo game. That guy has, what, 1 INT all year? Sean Smith is having a stellar season. How many INTs for him? 0.

http://i.imgur.com/jO0N20P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pFJsrhe.jpg

Earl Thomas not playing FS.

As for Eric, playing deep 1/3 or 1/2 is a tiny bit different than his role as an ILB in sub-packages he's been playing during his time here.

They've got 2 years to see how Berry adjusts this. While I agree his production isn't meeting his salary, he's still in the process of learning a new spot and playing adequately. I don't know if that production can be replaced via a combination of Parker/Coleman/Commings/Draft Pick/FA but I wouldn't view him as a waste of money this early.

When we take a look at the group of players in the nfl who are getting 10m+ Eric is one of the weakest examples out there.

It sucks to say that because I was on top of the world when we drafted him...the guy just doesn't offer much impact.

"He's great against the run"

Our run defense didn't exactly fall apart without him.

He's the best safety against tight ends"

We had the leagues best pass defense while he was out.


If a team would give us a conditional 2nd/3rd for him, I'd take it.

I don't think anyone is melting down.

People are just beginning to be skeptical about Berry being worth 9 million per in FA.

If Berry starts knocking down balls and intercepting passes back there at single high then imagine everyone will be find with paying him all that money.

Berry is a sacred cow around here compared to Bowe, who might as well be Taliban.

For him to be worth that kind of jack he needs to be

Ed reed
Brian Dawkins
Troy Polamalu
Jarius Byrd


He raises his level of play and shows flashes of being the playmaker from his first two years at Tennessee...pay the man.

If not, let somebody else do so because difference makers like Houston and Poe need that money.

True. LMAO

This is a poor example.

How so?

omg ... you drama queen.

Nobody hates Bowe, he is just not an elite WR and thus not worth 11+ million per year. That's it, stop whining.

right now Bowe is the 4th highest paid receiver in the entire league

1 Calvin Johnson $16,207,143
2 Larry Fitzgerald $16,142,857
3 Mike Wallace $12,000,000
4 Dwayne Bowe $11,200,000

I imagine everyone would be happy as hell to keep Bowe around for #2 wr money.

Golden Tate $6,200,000

He's still the free safety on this play despite not playing the deep end. The free safety isn't always the deepest DB.

The SS is Chancellor as he is on the strong side of the formation of the offense.

Okay.

I'm with BossChief. Eric Berry might be the most over-hyped player in Chiefs history.

Look at Deron Cherry's stats. In his first five seasons, in a league that was geared towards the running game, he had 19 INT's.

Berry, on the other hand, has 8 total.

whoa.

No, Berry did NOT sign an extension.

Berry signed a 6 year, $50 million dollar deal in 2010.

Why would the Chiefs have needed to extend Berry when he was under contract through 2015?

The bottom line is that he's not playing commeasurate with his $11.6 million dollar salary, just as Bowe isn't playing to his $11.5 million dollar salary.

There's a ton of Bowe hate and a ton of Berry love.

It doesn't make any sense.

What I don't understand is why people are only just now recognizing his shortcomings. I called it last week, and only one person agreed with me. Suddenly, that's all anyone is talking about on sports radio.

It seems like only us "old timers" remember the 70's, 80's and 90's secondaries and man, were they good!

Lloyd Burress, Gary Barbaro, Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis and Kevin "The Rock" Ross.

Those guys would be the best secondary in the NFL today, bar none.

And to think I got raked over coals for pointing this out.

I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago and was met with a small chorus of boo's.

Oh well. I wish he were playing up to his salary but clearly he's not.

met Deron a few times..first thought...damn he's big for a DB for those days...in reality he's just thick 5'11''@ 197

TO's were only a matter of time.

Loved Albert Lewis

Have a vhs tape somewhere with burress cherry lewis and Ross playing Denver.

That secondary was nasty.

You can't play corner in today's NFL. Unfortunately that "nasty' secondary wouldn't be the same today.

Still good, yes.

Eric Berry
 

Given the fact that he's banged up and only played in less than half of our games, I'll definitely agree.

Earl Thomas also isn't living up to his contract this season. Neither was Byrd before injury. Kam Chancellor isn't near what he was last year. What I've seen of Ward has been ass this season.

I'm just offering up a little perspective for people with the noose and pitchforks.

Berry can make his salary worth it if he makes some big plays against Denver.


I don't expect it, though. He is slow and stiff as ****.

This.

I mostly disagree.

Sure, the rules make it extremely tough on corners but I think most of the guys playing CB in the NFL are absolutely amazing athletes.

The way some of these guys can provide blanket coverage without mugging WR's is often astonishing to me.

I agree with that, no doubt. What I mean is they can't play corner like they used to. You think Kevin Ross and Albert Lewis could match up with the athletes of today's corners? They'd be "ok". But wouldn't be the same.

Albert Lewis? Absolutely. He was long and lean and soooooooooooo smooth. He was amazing on Special Teams, too.

Ross may have a little more trouble but I think his athleticism would have allowed him to a be a very good #3, if not a good #2.

If they were in their prime, and played today, could they match up with guys like what Arizona has (Patrick Peterson and Antonio)? Just a general question.

Albert Lewis 6-2, 200

was very quick for being that big

dude was a beast

Berry was playing fantastic his rookie season...He looked like the next great Safety. Since his injury...he has been a an above average player. He is in no way a "Superstar"...or game-changer. He is riding on name recognition..

In fairness...that $11.6 million is because of the absurd rookie pay-scale that he was part of. It's why people didn't normally draft that position #5 overall. I wish he had continued to progress into the best in the league..it didn't work out that way.

Berry is a 6 million a year player....if he had been drafted in the 2nd round..I would be OK with him and his adjusted salary.

His rookie season was good, but slightly overrated IMO. Last year was his best season.

Eric Berry
 

His rookie season is horribly overrated.

It took him like 8 weeks to get his first INT and, IIRC, it came against a putrid Titans team that was surely starting some scrub at QB.

He looked like shit in man coverage and got legitimately raped by Antonio Gates. To this day, when people say he sucks in man coverage, it's because of his rookie season.

He ended on a decent note by being everywhere in the playoff slaughterhouse against Baltimore.

He helped win us the Buffalo Bills game that season. Everyone seems to forget that one.

He's helped us win a lot of games. He's been one of our best defenders since he got here.

Yep

When a player goes out...and the team not only doesn't miss a beat..but actually improves...and said player is the highest paid player/team is cash strapped? That is the debate...Berry still has trade value.

Maybe you guys think he is more valuable than I do...

Our offense has had some of its best games while Jamaal has been out.

Is he not worthy of his contract either?

3 forced fumbles and 8 picks for a 5 year vet.

Let's be objective here.

The guy hasn't lived up to expectations.

Silly

That's a red herring...JC and Berry arent related to this discussion. JC is a Superstar...Berry is not.

Don't be silly.

Jamaal Charles impacts every single game he plays in.

Berry is a solid defender...he isn't a top tier safety...and apart from a play or 2, very rarely impacts the win loss column.

Sorry, he just isn't the playmaking game changer we thought he would be thus far.

We've been over this too many times.

I've compared him to Earl Thomas, which is pretty dumb considering the stark contrast in the way the two are used. ET averaged something like 1.2 INT more PER SEASON than EB. Meanwhile, Berry is far more productive making plays behind the LOS in sacks and TFLs, plus he has 3 TDs in his career. That's making a hell of an impact.

I remember comparing stats for Kam Chancellor and TJ Ward as well, which makes way more sense given position and scheme and Berry has a better stat sheet than either.

Your argument of him not impacting W/L record is so paper thin it's incredible. You could literally make the same argument for DJ or Flowers. This is a team sport and each guy contributes.

Eric Berry
 

He has been a top tier safety as well.

He's been voted as such by fans (who are idiots, I know), his peers, and coaches in the league.

He's been awarded All-Pro status.

Any "top safety" rankings prior to this season would have included EB in the top 5 at the very least.

That's elite, brother.

Berry makes TWICE what DJ makes...dudes not worth it. Not in Sutton's scheme anyway. Cut ties..get a draft pick...better utilize the $$. For $11 million..KC could get a better player...or two.

Five sacks in five years is hardly game changing. As I pointed out earlier, he has 11 less INT's than Deron Cherry's first five years in the league.

The mere fact that the pass defense was rated #1 in the league without him means that his $8.3 million dollar salary can be better utilized on a different position.

He's not irreplaceable.

I won't disagree with the fact that he needs to be making less but 1) there's universal agreement that DJ took a very team friendly contract and he's worth much more and 2) there's no reason to ignore logic when talking about the guy. It's like you guys literally expect an INT every game for him to live up to the expectation.

For example, go take a look at George's latest Ten Things. "What did Justin Houston do? 1 sack and 4 tackles. Not good enough" LMAO Uh, what more could you ask for?

Going into this year his overall numbers in the secondary were comparable to Barry Church..

That's cool. Except Barry Church blows cocks and Berry doesn't..

A defender can make a hell of an impact without filling up the stat sheet. It's pretty simple for a QB to simply throw the ball away from a guy if he's doing his job.

I dont have an issue with Berry per se...I think his production vs. his salary hurts the team. That's my only "iron in the fire" with this debate..

The problem is we were expecting a superstar. I don't know why it's hard for people to admit that he has been far from that. The season isn't over yet though and he can help us obviously. This may sound crazy but when I watch him play I don't see passion anymore.

Well I think whatever contract he ends up getting will be pretty favorable towards the team. I think he'll actually make less on his next contract than what he's making now. He was part of the last rookie class in getting those HUGE overpriced contracts before the new CBA.

Somewhere around 7Mil per year would be fair for Berry IMO.

When he's healthy he's clearly a top 5 S.

I only agree due to him being injured. His injuries are starting to pile up...

If he is asked to restructure and doesnt... I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

He has underperformed in relation to his salary, and as Dane said... being #1 against the pass without him says quite a lot. Come to think of it, his return didnt do much vs the run game, either.

I'd like to keep him if possible, but he's not a huge priority as crazy as that might sound.

If his pay is cut in half he can stay.

Been talking about paying a box safety this much for awhile now and people just get pissed. I just think we need to rethink how we spend our money.

Eric Berry $11,619,700
Dwayne Bowe $11,485,294
Tamba Hali $11,464,706

Can't we do better than this for 33 million dollars per?

Berry out - abdullah and parker in
Bowe out - 2 solid WR vets in (would be Avery 2.8m out too)
Hali out - Ndamukong Suh in

Yes ... stepping away from Berry/Bowe/Hali could mean that it would be financially possible to have Houston and Suh along our Dline. How about Houston at rushbacker(Hali's spot) and Suh right beside him ala Thomas/Neil Smith?

Houston/Suh/Poe/Bailey

long shot but it's just a point about how to spend the money

I would rather keep Parker to play safety and release Berry at this point.

But that could change, I guess.

Holy hell the loss still hurts.

Trade him to Cleveland for gordon

He's been injured twice in five years.

Eric Berry is the bizarro Dwayne Bowe. Both are similarly talented but every failing of the former is overlooked while the failings of the latter are scrutinized to an excruciatingly pedantic degree.

Neither is worth their contract. The team has already proven it can win without Berry.

The fact that we are paying $11 million to a player who people argue could be cut and improve the team is enough for me. And Bowe.