Past 20 yards? He had zero. His only pass that WAS 20 yards was his TD to Fasano.

Plenty of QBs find open receivers when they're blitzed. Smith shits himself and gets sacked.

Because Bowe is ****ing terrible now?

I've defended the guy as much as anyone, but he's just not very good anymore.

Per PFF, Alex Smith has been pressured on 33% of dropbacks this year.

THIRTY-THREE. Aka 1 in every 3 plays.

So it's just a coincidence that when Smith becomes the QB of this team that Bowe is not very good anymore? Really?

No, it's a coincidence that he's just slow now. And he doesn't mentally get himself in the right spots very often.

Last night after the fumble from manning, the second play we run a bubble screen to DAT and bowe is running downfield to catch a pass, not even touching a player.

Adding Bowe and Tamba to this would give us around $40 million.

Obviously we won't cut all these guys but there is no reason why we can't give Houston his contract and add 3 or 4 quality FA's.

Time to spend in FA. We're the 3rd youngest team in the league and it's showing. You have 11 draft picks this spring to build the team in case free agency fails.

No excuse.

This

Packaged play.

It changed this week since Chris Long came off but the Rams had Bradford, Jake Long and Chris Long all on IR. I'm sure those are 3 of the 4 top paid players on the Rams along with Robert Quinn.

very true :deevee: really sad looking at it.

Weeks 1-4, Brady had a sieve of an OL, a TE who was still trying to get healthy, and a WR corps that was Edelman and nobody else. The result was people claiming he was done, because he was struggling to overcome the pile of shit around him.

Smith's not Brady, so why are people here up in arms because he can't overcome a similar pile of shit? His one advantage over what Brady had going for him should be Charles, but Reid has been underusing him.

I've got a question for you Sorter, if you don't mind. In looking at the KC offense, I see it basically like this:

If you like Kelce, you've got

Charles
Smith
Kelce
Fisher
Hudson

as players who are pretty much locked in as starters next year. Bowe could be a salary cap casualty. The rest of the offense is probably going to be open competition because of level of play combined with other circumstances. The offensive overhaul might well mean 6 new starters.

Is that what you're seeing?

I put some of this on coaching. They should have tried to fake that and burn them deep.

Problem is that Alex was getting the ball out fast. He was pressured so quickly last night that we didn't have time to let plays develop.

In the 4th quarter Smith was waiting for the plays down-field but it was at a point where Denver knew it was a 2 score game and I'm guessing Smith saw a lot of guys in coverage and didn't want to force a pass. He had a couple times a check-down was open for a few yards but didn't care to look for it because it wasn't gonna be enough.

That's play calling, brah.

I think there's a reason that's all they ask him to do.

So I guess all they really ask of Charles is to run it 7 times then....right?

I'm not sure why that matters. The broncos had 8 8 the box and attacked our ol.

We were over matched at every spot. It didn't matter how many times they hand it to him.

And yes, that's all they ask bowe to do because he can't really do anything else at this point.

This.

Heap big garbages on this roster.

Or those are the only routes Alex feels comfortable throwing. I've been banging the drum for a while now but all you ever see him throw is slants, hitches, and flat routes to RBs. Obviously that's not ALL he throws, but I'll be damned if it doesn't appear to be about 90% of his passes. He'll have the occasional crossing route or drag thrown in from time to time.

Where are the deep posts, the go routes, the corner routes, any type of double move whatsoever?

You've admitted that we've been seeing open receivers down the field after the games have been played. Alex just doesn't like pulling the trigger.

Draft 5 offensive linemen!

I think Mays stays, and they bring back Daniel, Allen, and Mauga. Maybe Coleman, too.

Everybody else is gone.

I can see Allen and possibly Mauga and Coleman for the league minimum, but why Mays? He's going to cost us $4 million next year. I just can't justify paying him that.

And what's the deal with Daniel? If Alex gets hurt we're screwed either way. Chase Daniel isn't going to come in and start winning us games, plus with the way we play, we get the ball out so fast and hand it off so much (well some games :cuss:) that Alex isn't in any major jeopardy of getting hurt.

It's time for Dorsey to start doing what he says. He's building through the draft. Well Aaron Murray should be able to take over the back up role with his skill set and experience in college.

Dee Ford should be able to take over for Tamba next year. He's a first round pick for christ sakes.

I'm going to be pissed if these guys don't move up the depth chart next year, especially Ford.

Oh, and we only get $9 million back from Bowe this spring unless we drop him after June 1st, then we get $11 million. I'd rather just drop him before so we can use that money to get a FA.

But who knows, maybe Dorsey will drop him that late so he can have more money to give Houston his new contract.

Ford has played 7.5% of the defensive plays this year. Hali has played 92.5% of the defensive plays. Hali isn't going anywhere next year

There have been opportunity's to throw down the field, Alex just not taking the shots. Andy likes to attack horizontally instead of vertically, so you get a lot more passing concepts like shallow crosses, dagger, mesh concept..anything with a short crosser and maybe a dig behind it. Makes it easy for Alex to just read one defender. He will flood the sideline but never takes the deeper read.. usually always throws the receiver guy running the arrow (either a RB or WR). He is also a big fan of double slants, curl/flat, stick and tare concepts which is why it seems like Bowe is always catching a curl/hitch/comeback. Theres nothing wrong with these concepts- they are universally run throughout the NFL. Problem is KC does not try to stretch vertically with the exception of Kelce/Fasano running a seam. Why no smash concepts? Hitch/corner? Because that is a long throw.. too long for Alex to trust himself. The distance to throw a 30yd seam route is not the same as a 30yd corner route.

That last fumble from Avery was inexcusable. No excuses for being that careless with the ball. I get that the game was over but you still have to try and build some positive momentum on offense.

He's not what he was. He's clearly declining. Bailey, Poe and the best pass rusher in the league on the other side to take away attention and he can only get 5 sacks?

He's currently the 2nd highest paid OLB behind Clay Matthews and has a cap number of just under $12 million next year. The production isn't matching the salary.

I'd be in favor of cutting him and then making a new team friendly deal like Terrell Suggs did with the Ravens. That would put him at half of his cap # next year.

I also don't like keeping a first round non-QB pick on the bench another year. Dorsey says he builds through the draft. This time will come in the next 2 years either way. Might as well just do it now why we can get good money back.

Pretty much. I'd anticipate them starting Fulton next year at RG but that should be open comp. as well.

Agreed.

I'd love to see this concept Weis used quite a bit while with KC. Ideally have Bowe as #1 (although interesting if you used Kelce) with whomever you wanted as #2 (to really sell the horizontal stretch, I think splitting Charles/Thomas out would be fun).

http://i.imgur.com/6AwmSu1.png

Any idea why LDT hasn't played Sorter? He has the size and athleticism. Plus he's kinda good at learning things as he did go through med school while playing football.
I just don't get it. He's got to be better than Linkenbach and McGlynn.

Maybe they want to get him more experience before putting him out there? "shrugs"

I suppose he's worse than McGlynn.

*shudders*

While you're right in that Alex is not a blitz killer, the bigger problem is the OL. I'm not saying that to excuse Alex... he is what he is. This OL is an abortion.

KC runs a lot of max protect, and they STILL can't even pick up the blitz properly... let alone hold the pocket against one. If you send 5 guys even if we keep 6 or 7 our dumbass OL will **** up on the pick up somewhere and someone will get a free hit.

I think they retain Mays because he's the best run-stuffer on the team at ILB. Reid's coaching staff is very talented, but they're a bitch about benching anybody for poor performance.

I don't disagree on Daniel. I just know the Chiefs love him.

On one play the Broncos rushed 4 guys. No joke. And one was TJ Ward who beat Eric Fisher. We had 5 blockers. JFC

It's because Reid's coaching staff, while very talented, is very dogmatic.

Aaron Murray could shoot rainbows out of his ass as a QB and the staff wouldn't move him to #2 QB over Booger.

I really want us to cut Mays, use his $3 million dollars saved and use it to bring in David Harris.

He'll likely cost $4.5 million but I'm fine with that. Played in Sutton's defense in NY, Rex will be gone and he probably won't want to start a new scheme with a new coach in a bad situation.

He's a very good LB and has been playing in this scheme for 5 years. He's only 30 years old and has a couple quality years left at worst.
Can't help but want him here not only for his talent but his leadership and knowledge. Plug and play.

He's too raw. He's a 6th round project that played at a small Canadian school. This is only his third season as an offensive lineman.

He'll have a chance to compete next year.

I like it, but we have no one to sell the deep route right now. First play of game Avery couldn't get behind anyone, though a deep post vs cover 1/3 is not where you want to go with it. Could even reduce split/nasty the WR and let him choice route. Reads MOFO (two high) split with post, MOFC (1 high) run the dig as suggested in the diagram. Back side can be any route combo you want.

I suspect KC is running stuff like this already, cant really tell without A22, but definitely not running the same concepts as last year. I remember lots of bunch/levels/follow concepts with McGrath @ TE. Why we can't run that with Kelce is beyond me.

I'll watch the A22 tonight and see what's going on.

I'm curious not just about LDT but also Stephenson. Reid said he can play guard. Pretty damn sure he's better than Harris. I'm confident he's better than mcglynn because he can't get any worse.

You can get worse than Mcglynn. You saw it Sunday night in Linkenbach

As many said before, it's foolish to keep Bowe here next year all things considered.

Keep Jason Avant and Albert Wilson. Let Alex develop rhythm with them. Avant is not much different in this offense to Bowe and he's drastically cheaper.
Draft 2 WR's and bring one in (I would try to talk Maclin into coming and pay him a bit more than his $5.5 million a year deal he currently has this year.

Love Tamba but business is business. Cut him no matter what. $9 million a year is for production Houston is showing, not less than 10 sacks.
Ask him to sign a new team friendly deal like Suggs giving him a respectable $6 million a year.

Then axe the rest of these bums holding us back

And mother**** Donald Stephenson. He's had 3 years and hasn't shown anything more than being a swing tackle. And he cheated. **** him.

Bowe and Avant (at his age) are not even close to the same thing.

Exactly Avant is better. Runs better routes and catches the ball.

Umm... Okay.

Avant is only 1 year older than Bowe. I really don't see a big difference between, except their salary.

Bowe at this price is ridiculous. Cutting him after June 1st and getting $11 million back will go a long way to paying for Houston's contract. Hell it even pays for 85% of his franchise tag number next year.