WHY DID DORSEY TRADE ARENAS THATS IRRESPONSIBLE!

People still complaining about where Knile Davis was drafted? Ha ha

You still haven't been able to make an argument outside of a mediocre 2 game window.

Dismiss a career's worth of information over a 2 game (thus far) flash in the pan.

Again, we KNOW that Avery is good for about 50 Catches and 500 yards a season. This is known. He has a body of work that proves it.

We don't know dick about Wilson other than he finally saw some snaps during the last quarter of the season on one of the worst WR corps in the NFL, after 2 WR's went on IR and another might as well have gone on IR. Even then, he still looked lost as Smith had to keep telling him where to line up.

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TRAVIS KELCE IS WAY BETTER THAN TONY GONZALEZ EVER WAS!!! IM SO SMARTZ!

See....i can be stupid just like you.

I get it. Wilson caught a pass of over twenty yards and your little peepee flinched. That's fine. Just don't get too excited now, you might wet yourself.

Not that it matters much, you'll dump him the moment the next Frankie Hammond comes along.

FYP.

Gotta love CP.

The only way to evaluate Wilson against the other receivers on the roster is by his on-field production. Seven catches over two games would project to about 56 catches per season, which would make him a very productive player, regardless of how he was acquired.

The next step for him is to remain consistent during the next two games and if he can, he'll not only make the roster next year but will be a very nice contributor.

But at this point, it's all speculation and optimism but unlike guys like Hemingway, Jenkins, etc., he's caught on very quickly and flashed early in his career.

We will let this guy go and he will become Joe Horn II.


Because Chiefs.

Hell, I can't WAIT to hear ESPN debate the Megatron vs Donnie Avery vs Albert Wilson argument that's all the rage!

Why, I'd wager a years salary that every youngster in America worth his or her football salt can't stop talking about these two icons!


Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez...

I don't think that anyone is saying that any of these WRs are great or even good players. The only thing that anyone is really saying is that Albert Wilson has shown more in his limited opportunities than the majority of our other Wrs have.

True, but it's very heated! As if the fate of the known universe hangs in the balance!

Call Bruce Willis; it's about to get real on the asteroid miner!

Hey dipshit. Just last year, Avery broke Wilson's season totals this year IN JUST ONE GAME against Philadelphia.

He was torching secondaries with his speed just last year in the playoffs.

What has Albert Wilson done besides play meaningful offensive snaps in two ****ing games all year?

****, even I didn't go THIS full reerun when I was pimping Ricky Stanzi LMAO

Umm yes, knile has performed beyond his draft projection. And i'm happy for that
BUT That doesn't mean it wasnt a reach at the time....

And a lot of these guys with internet domains have been doing this a very long time and have multiple inside sources. But since you place so much faith in longtime nfl evaluators and NFL GMs, Walterfootball interviewed a few gms on dee ford and they all saw him as "a late second rounder who would get picked up by a foolish team".

Avery's ****in worthless at this point

Give me a break. He wasn't a "reach" and he's certainly proven his worth.

Why anyone would denigrate Dorsey for this selection is beyond me.

Walter's been around since the 90's and he's still as worthless as ever. They're all hobbyists at best. They're not professional scouts that are on the road 45 weeks out of the year, helping teams evaluate players, nor is there any repercussion from their mock drafts and "analysis" because they aren't employed by an actual NFL organization.

In other words, no one is going fire Walter for saying that Knile Davis is a "bad selection", which makes his opinion(s) just like everyone else on the internet.

Avery is a piece of shit and proved it Week 1 @ TEN. Zero hands, not as fast as his 40 says (partly because he's 30 and has lost a step), can't get open, can't fight for the ball, is a brokedick and also a midget to boot. He plays a big role in why the receiver depth chart is a steaming pile of dung. Would rather throw Wilson or even Hammond out there in his stead at this point to see if there's anything there because Avery is already a known commodity.

He as a reach at the time by whose standards? I know a lot of draft sites at the time had him as a 3rd/4th/5th round pick. Hardly UDFA leftover garbage like you claim he was at the time.

Exactly. I like him and i hope he pans out, but i need to see him do it over the course of a full season. He has certainly made the best out of his opportunities.

If it doesn't work out.....well....there's guys like that on every team, every season.

Dude they HAVE been thrown out there. Avery's been injured half the year.

The only thing Wilson has proven at this point is that he's not as ****ing awful as Frankie Hammond.

What are you basing this "reach" around?

That's incredibly subjective. Apparently he wasn't a reach according to Chiefs scouts. And guess what? They were right.

That's all that matters.

Whatever your stupid draft site said doesn't matter. An NFL ball club said he was worth a 3rd and they were right.

Bottom Line.

LOL Pun intended?

are people actually arguing that Avery is a good receiver?

It seems so...

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Avery is as good as gone come this offseason.

Roll into next season with Bowe, Wilson, DAT, and a couple rookies. Wouldnt mind bringing Avant back for cheap depending on the market and our cap situation.

SNR is.

Albert Wilson is a #4 maybe #3 WR. He can also play special teams.


Donnie Avery is a #4 or #5. I bet he's not even in the league next year.

Wait, SNR was pimping Ricky Stanzi?

No, it only looks like I am because you think a rookie free agent who wasn't even trusted with offensive snaps until a month ago and has a BIG WHOPPING 120 yards and no TDs in two games is better than Avery, who hasn't produced because he's been INJURED.

God, you're dumb.

Hehe

If Avery could get/stay healthy, he could be a dangerous weapon in this offense.

It's too bad he's made of glass..

Stanzi was my boo. I really liked what I saw out of him as a rookie in training camp and preseason of 2011. It wouldn't have been anything more than a passing interest in his development, but then Tyler Palko happened because Haley would castrate himself if it made him look smarter than he is. I was really riled up that we weren't rolling with Stanzi to see what he had.

I was all prepared to see the next leg of his development as a QB the next offseason, but he totally sucked dick. I jumped off the wagon faster than I got on.

1 guy will be in the league next year the other guy probably won't be.

Point is Wilson is getting the targets with a QB who isnt big on targeting WRs while Averys broke ass is standing on the sidelines with his easily expendable cap. Even when Avery gets healthy, I dont expect to see him take Wilsons snaps back.

He won't. SNR is trying to argue the undrafted WR must not be better because it took 12 weeks for him to win a starting job. What a joke.

People cant expect Andy Reid to throw an UDFA out there week 1 with his full trust in his WCO. Even when Avery was initially hurt it wasnt Wilson getting the snaps. He's obviously impressed Reid and the coaching staff enough in practice throughout the season to give him the snaps and he's making the most of it.

We've had JAGs string together consecutive weeks of good production before. This is nothing new.

I'm hopeful for Wilson as well, and if there's any butt**** WR on this team who might eventually be good one day, it's probably him. But I'm not crowning his ass yet as being better than Avery. The odds are against Wilson ever beating Avery in terms of career production totals.

Oh, that's fine. I think everybody wanted to see Stanzi at that point.

SNR, love the guy, but after the Geno Smith monstrosity I don't think he's allowed to chastise anyone for thinking Albert Wilson is better than Donnie Avery.

If I'm Dorsey, Donnie Avery is ****ing beyond gone after this season.

Because I wanted the team to draft a ****ing QB instead of a LT who's not even any ****ing good? Riiiight. LMAO

And besides, what the **** has Albert Wilson done?

Has he scored a single TD? Has he had a 100 yard game? Has he even made a single 3rd down catch for a 1st down?

He's done ****ing nothing.

Given his age, injury history, and cap number, I'm not going to shed a tear if Avery gets raped this offseason, but that doesn't mean the guys we will keep are all better than him. I would look at it as a shittier version of cutting Brandon Flowers.

And it certainly doesn't mean that Wilson is the better player right now. If Avery saw a Navajo medicine man and got his vagina 100% healed, you'd have to be insane not to start him over Wilson.

That was the opinion of walter, that was the opinion of "a few NFL GMS".

And i'm gathering from what you're saying, is that you believe there is no such thing as a reach? The opinion of no one matters, except for NFL gms, and scouting agents. If a team drafts a guy the rest of the world thinks is an UDFA in the first round. Then the guy wasnt a reach because an NFL orginization took him.

He was graded by most as a mid round talent and the injury history would cause him to fall. If he was graded as a first round talent with an injury history, then i wouldnt consider him a reach. I never saw anyone grade him as a first round talent.

But we are kind of getting off track here. My original comparison of Dorsey and Davis, wasnt meant to be taken literally. I don't think any of his picks were horrible, or that he looks at speed alone. But it is quite clear he highly values speed, and athleticism. The chiefs probably have the fastest roster in the NFL. 3 4.3 backs, 2 4.3 Wr, 2 4.3 DBs, 2 sub 4.4 safeties, nearly all of which were brought in by dorsey.

Knile has worked out so im happy we took him. But im not going to pretend it was a good pick. The same exact way the Sherman trade didnt make sense. It worked out in the end, so it is easy to write it off as a good trade.... but it didn't make any sense....

If old Running Antelope was fortunate enough to pull the granule of sand from between Avery's labia major and minor, it still wouldn't address the fact that he's got shitty hands and won't run inside the hash marks. He's a one trick pony as far as receivers go and he's not particularly good at that one trick any longer.

If this guy was worth a shit, do you really think that the Colts, who, at the time, were needing quality receivers to build up the passing game around Luck, let him just walk? No ****in' way my friend.

Be that as it may, it's still a situation of having Dorsey not pull the trigger on anything that resembled a wideout in what was widely considered the greatest WR position draft since '96 or so until the FA market opened up and he snagged Wilson (who I happen to like a lot - based on his college production and measurables and purported work ethic). That's downright criminal.

You are right, that truly is the bottom line. Dorsey can start scouting jamacian sprinters, and drafting them in round 1. As long as they keep panning out like davis did, thats all that matters..

Ragging on the Davis pick LMAO

He definitely has that Miles Austin build with running back type legs, let's just hope he doesn't have Miles Austin fragility. I like the kid;)

Really getting wilson and Dat involved as wrs now, as they've gotten more into the offense. Good to see.

Both are good future weapons.

ALBERT WILSON WILL BE THE BEST CHIEFS WR, EVER!

SUCK IT, SNR!

I'm not saying he can't.

I'm saying right now he's not.

If we can find a way to go into next year with

Bowe
Maclin
Wilson
R1-r3 draft pick
Thomas

As our receiving corps, I'm gonna be excited for the possibilities of this offense.

Unlike most of the late round or scrap heap receivers we've had over the last decade, this guy has actually made a few plays in games. Not saying he's going to be very good, but this guy may actually have an NFL career.

He went up against Patrick Peterson a handful of times and held his own.

The kid has shown promise and I hope he continues to hone his skills and helps us into the playoffs.

Maclin?

Like he's going to come play on a team that doesn't throw to receivers.

I have a hard time believing that he'd want to leave Philly for KC. Plus, I think it's likely that someone will offer him a sizable deal, whether it's Dallas, the Giants, Seattle and so on.

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great to have a 26 year old receiver with his ability but I don't think the Chiefs throw the ball enough for a guy like him.

This.

I read that Alex Smith has never had a 1,000 yard receiver. Receivers likely know this better than anyone, considering they're actually in the NFL circle. They hear everything we hear, and then some more.

Alex is to WR's like Oakland is to players in general.... where you go to kill your career.

I doubt the Eagles let Maclin go and if they do the Chiefs won't have enough money to sign him unless they dump both Bowe and Hali.

sign dez bryant and trade for josh gordon and be done with it.

Maclin? Meh.

We got Avery!

Probably would depend on how much he would want to play for Reid.

7 of his 11 receptions are for first downs. Don't know how many of those came on 3rd down, though. Still too small of sample size to glean anything useful at this point.

Alex Smith would face a mutiny by Week 3......of the Preseason.

More likely he wouldn't have either one as an option and we would be in worse shape than we are right now.

they wouldnt be an option but not for the reason you are thinking, silly.

They are not an option because of money and off the field issues. Those kinds of troubled players are not wanted here.

Clean pocket. Wilson clearly beats his man. And Smith still throws it so that Wilson has to slow down to catch the ball.

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If that ball is thrown accurately that is 6 right there.

Donnie Avery takes that for 6.

...and then is injured and misses 2 more games.

LOL Bullshit

Nah...that's the same route/catch that Avery has missed twice this year and both turned into INTs.

Good route running frm the rookie. He'll end up being a good wr.

Smith threw it as far as he could. What did it travel? 48 yards in the air? Thats about as good as it gets for him.

The Sherman trade made sense. It was obvious they wanted a FB, so apparently they grabbed 2 or 3 and let them battle it out. Its a shame they wasted a draft pick on the kid from Kansas State just a week prior to adding Sherman, but again, they wanted a FB. So they drafted one, and then was able to get the one they wanted. They knew they had nothing in Arenas, that's evident by how long he lasted in Arizona and now with his significant contributions with the ****tard that drafted him.