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Deberg_1990 12-21-2014 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11209784)
Harrison is still a good player, but yeah. I feel ya. I wouldn't feel as bad about Fisher if he wasn't.....a #1 overall pick.....:banghead:
It was a weak draft. I don't feel like the Chiefs passed on any truly great players.

My main problem with it right now is that they let Albert walk to go with a lesser player.

TEX 12-21-2014 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209753)
Feel no guilt my man, its perfectly reasonable to expect a second year guy who's moved back to his "natural/lol" position to make a big jump in his second year.

He hasnt, he got schooled by ancient ass James Harrison twice... hate that feeling that I've been had like this, the Chiefs are like buying my first $50 bag of weed in high school... expecting big things, a world of wonder... and I got three fingers worth of oregano instead.
Yep, deal is he might be like Robert Gallery in that he will NEVER be even an adequate LT in the NFL. If you remember he too played RT at first and was AWFUL. They moved him to LT, the position he was drafted to play, and he was even WORSE. It was obvious after 3 seasons that he would never be able to play either side in the NFL. So, Oakland moved him to LG where they actually got some pretty decent years out of him. Deal is, I'm not sure Fish has what it takes to play Guard. He might indeed be a TOTAL BUST. Last year he couldn't participate 100% in the off season strength & conditioning program because of his surgeries. I'm curious to see how he plays after finally getting a whole off season worth of work in... If he's not cutting it, I'm working on a plan B. In fact, if I'm Dorsey and Reid, I'm doing that now. NOBODY on the OL should be set at their position - the OL is THAT bad. :shake:

lcarus 12-21-2014 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11209819)
It was a weak draft. I don't feel like the Chiefs passed on any truly great players.

My main problem with it right now is that they let Albert walk to go with a lesser player.
Yep. I honestly wanted them to trade down, but with such a lack of any major game changing players available early in that draft class, it was apparently something they couldn't get done.

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 07:23 PM
Very good write-up. I'm sure the Chiefs shall have you shot someday!

ThaVirus 12-21-2014 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209815)
Did everyone just see that last graphic on the raiders game?

We have the same record as HOUSTON LMAO... **** this team, seriously **** them... if they're no better than them then they should just all go home.

Houston.

The Houston Texans.

The Houston Texans are just as good as the Kansas City Chiefs.

:facepalm:
.. And they've got Romeo Crennel and Kendrick Lewis.

Let that sink in for a moment.

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11209834)
Yep, deal is he might be like Robert Gallery in that he will NEVER be even an adequate LT in the NFL. If you remember he too played RT at first and was AWFUL. They moved him to LT, the position he was drafted to play, and he was even WORSE. It was obvious after 3 seasons that he would never be able to play either side in the NFL. So, Oakland moved him to LG where they actually got some pretty decent years out of him. Deal is, I'm not sure Fish has what it takes to play Guard. He might indeed be a TOTAL BUST. Last year he couldn't participate 100% in the off season strength & conditioning program because of his surgeries. I'm curious to see how he plays after finally getting a whole off season worth of work in... If he's not cutting it, I'm working on a plan B. In fact, if I'm Dorsey and Reid, I'm doing that now. NOBODY on the OL should be set at their position - the OL is THAT bad. :shake:
I think they agree. At one of this off season's Hunt-sponsored beach galas, I expect them to announce a "five year plan" that should put the Chiefs in the SB by 2020.

The Hunts will agree with the bold new plan.

tk13 12-21-2014 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209815)
Did everyone just see that last graphic on the raiders game?

We have the same record as HOUSTON LMAO... **** this team, seriously **** them... if they're no better than them then they should just all go home.

Houston.

The Houston Texans.

The Houston Texans are just as good as the Kansas City Chiefs.

:facepalm:
I don't get what you're getting at here. They've been to the playoffs a couple times this decade and actually won games both times, which is better than most of the NFL. They're only a couple years removed from competing for the #1 seed. They just had a down year last year. But they've been .500 or better for most of the last 6-7 years.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-21-2014 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11209648)
Charles did not choke. That is ignorant.

He did not fumble, which other than picking the wrong hole over and again, is about the only way a RB can choke. He was given a dozen touches. That isn't the fault of Charles, but the Crisco-sweating mother****er holding the laminated sheet on the sideline.
ROFL Okay, that shit's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209701)
Our offense is not limited because of Smith. Did you see how much more time Ben-Burger had compared to Smith? Smith will stretch the field when it seems we have too and when he is able too. I go to the 3rd and 16 he hit Wilson on today.

So while Smith isn't all-world, if he always has to scramble 2 seconds after getting the ball then WTF?

However I do think he holds the ball too much at times.
NO, NO, NO, NO NO....we are not having that shit today.

Did you see how Big Ben Burger had mother****ers all up in his grill in the red zone, and promptly swung his balls across their face for a TD?

That's what a legit QB can do in this league.

Easy 6 12-21-2014 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11209995)
I don't get what you're getting at here. They've been to the playoffs a couple times this decade and actually won games both times, which is better than most of the NFL. They're only a couple years removed from competing for the #1 seed. They just had a down year last year. But they've been .500 or better for most of the last 6-7 years.
It means that a team with a rookie head coach, playing three different dogshit QB's, their first year in a new system on both sides of the ball, a team that SHOULD be far behind the curve compared to this teams development... has the same record as we do.

There isnt much there to get man... a far less entrenched and talented team has equaled our record, its a damn embarrassment of the highest order... those guys have juggled a bunch of bullshit at QB and have still managed to equal the record of this team that has a "stable franchise guy".

There is no spin that excuses anything with the Chiefs... they have UNDERPERFORMED when you factor in "talent" and all of the money spent on big name coaches.

MahiMike 12-21-2014 07:43 PM
"Jamaal Charles may be the best running back in Chiefs history. But he is not a big game player, and is not a clutch player."

True. I said the same about Bowe. I blame both of those guys for today's must-win as well as the playoff game.

When your star RB and 'star' WR can't win a game for you when you need it, your team just isn't good enough.

Hammock Parties 12-21-2014 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11210003)
Did you see how Big Ben Burger had mother****ers all up in his grill in the red zone, and promptly swung his balls across their face for a TD?
.
LMAO

You stated that so eloquently, my lady.

Return to my chambers this evening for a vigorous rodgering!

tk13 12-21-2014 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11210031)
It means that a team with a rookie head coach, playing three different dogshit QB's, their first year in a new system on both sides of the ball, a team that SHOULD be far behind the curve compared to this teams development... has the same record as we do.

There isnt much there to get man... a far less entrenched and talented team has equaled our record, its a damn embarrassment of the highest order... those guys have juggled a bunch of bullshit at QB and have still managed to equal the record of this team that has a "stable franchise guy".

There is no spin that excuses anything with the Chiefs... they have UNDERPERFORMED when you factor in "talent" and all of the money spent on big name coaches.
Yeah but the Chiefs went from 2-14 to 11-5 last year with a new coach, QB, new systems on both sides of the ball, etc. etc. That was one of the biggest turnarounds in NFL history. Houston didn't do that. And Houston has plenty of talent. They have the best defensive player in the league, for starters.

Discuss Thrower 12-21-2014 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11210042)
Yeah but the Chiefs went from 2-14 to 11-5 last year with a new coach, QB, etc. etc. That was one of the biggest turnarounds in NFL history. Houston didn't do that.
The 2-14 record was a mirage.

That 11-5 team wasn't all that different than the one that went 7-9 with Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, Kyle Orton at QB and no Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry.

BeeHo 12-21-2014 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy

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Ball is on the wrong hand but a work of art nonetheless. Would buy and frame in my bathroom.

MahiMike 12-21-2014 07:46 PM
Another thing that cost us; we should have scored on that fake field goal. But for some reason, we had Allen Bailey lined up at left tackle. A DT! He totally wiffed on the block and kelce was tackled. Should have been an easy score.

Of course, bowe sealed our fate a couple plays later...

keg in kc 12-21-2014 07:56 PM
I'm going to say something nice about Andy Reid, which is hard today, of all days, but he had the right gameplan for today's game. That was obvious every time we tried to run the ball. Every time we got stuffed. And you can't argue that they didn't move the chains all day long through the air. The problem was the red zone offense. (And trying to run the ball on 4th down instead of either kicking the goddamn field goal since we wouldn't have had time to score a TD anyway, or going with what had worked the entire first half, namely the pass.)

We weren't going to run the ball today. And there was zero wrong with Alex Smith throwing 44 passes against that defense. The offensive line was getting their shit pushed in by Pittsburgh's front seven, and that wouldn't have changed with more carries. They did the right thing going pass heavy. The stats show it: they outgained Pittsburgh by 50 yards and had a 3 minute advantage in time of possession. That's exactly what you want.

What you don't want is kicking field goals every time you're inside the ****ing 20 yard line. And unfortunately Andy Reid has always had problems in the red zone, say all you want about being the "#2 red zone team" this year, and we saw that again today.

I think the biggest issue is that the kind of east west brinksmanship that allowed us to move the ball between the 20s is very difficult to execute in that part of the field. But they did also try to go vertical several times in the red zone, they just failed to execute. Maybe they could have tried another run play or three, but I don't think that would have made an iota of difference. They just couldn't open up running lanes. The line play was much worse in that aspect than even the stats would indicate.

So I would say 20 to 20, Reid did a good job. Kept the chains moving, kept Pittsburgh off the field. It was the right strategy and it would have been a winning strategy except that LeBeau owned him where it counted, in the red zone.

We had every opportunity to win.

The Franchise 12-21-2014 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 11210038)
"Jamaal Charles may be the best running back in Chiefs history. But he is not a big game player, and is not a clutch player."

True. I said the same about Bowe. I blame both of those guys for today's must-win as well as the playoff game.

When your star RB and 'star' WR can't win a game for you when you need it, your team just isn't good enough.
God damn....you are stupid.

Easy 6 12-21-2014 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11210042)
Yeah but the Chiefs went from 2-14 to 11-5 last year with a new coach, QB, new systems on both sides of the ball, etc. etc. That was one of the biggest turnarounds in NFL history. Houston didn't do that. And Houston has plenty of talent. They have the best defensive player in the league, for starters.
I used to rep you all of the time for takes like this, but I'm just numb to it at this point... a big turnaround in 2013 followed by what?

And, I predicted early a 9-7 record, which is what we'll end up with... but I shouldnt have aimed so low, I should have expected more from a deeper team and a veteran QB in his second year on that deeper team... these guys underperform right now, I dont know how else to put it.

Even with the injuries to the front seven we had , what 1 maybe two sacks?... its a whole team deal, these guys only seem to "believe" to a point, and that point usually seems to be them going down by 10+... they have no faith in Smith to bring them back and it shows.

bevischief 12-21-2014 08:05 PM
They could/should have this game but they drop it yet again this year... I blame them all yet again.

keg in kc 12-21-2014 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 11210056)
Of course, bowe sealed our fate a couple plays later...
You're talking about when the defensive back knocked the ball away? You can't get hung up on that, sometimes defensive players make plays.

I was (pleasantly) surprised Smith threw that ball to be honest. Really good coverage on that play.

ChiefsChoke010414 12-21-2014 08:07 PM
If Charles underwhelms in big games, it's really a product of the Chiefs always underwhelming in big games. This team can't win a big game, most notably in playoff games.

His injuries and his fumbles have always been his biggest weakness. He does both in untimely moments. That's a fair criticism.

But in the end, this is not a league where a RB can carry a team by himself. Barry Sanders tried and could never do it in the playoffs. Just in regular season games.

gosampel 12-21-2014 08:08 PM
Sry didn't watch the Chefs today but I will tell yah the season is over for the Chefs

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210116)
You're talking about when the defensive back knocked the ball away? You can't get hung up on that, sometimes defensive players make plays.

I was (pleasantly) surprised Smith threw that ball to be honest. Really good coverage on that play.
I guess we're just asking too much.

MahiMike 12-21-2014 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210081)
I'm going to say something nice about Andy Reid, which is hard today, of all days, but he had the right gameplan for today's game. That was obvious every time we tried to run the ball. Every time we got stuffed. And you can't argue that they didn't move the chains all day long through the air. The problem was the red zone offense. (And trying to run the ball on 4th down instead of either kicking the goddamn field goal since we wouldn't have had time to score a TD anyway, or going with what had worked the entire first half, namely the pass.)

We weren't going to run the ball today. And there was zero wrong with Alex Smith throwing 44 passes against that defense. The offensive line was getting their shit pushed in by Pittsburgh's front seven, and that wouldn't have changed with more carries. They did the right thing going pass heavy. The stats show it: they outgained Pittsburgh by 50 yards and had a 3 minute advantage in time of possession. That's exactly what you want.

What you don't want is kicking field goals every time you're inside the ****ing 20 yard line. And unfortunately Andy Reid has always had problems in the red zone, say all you want about being the "#2 red zone team" this year, and we saw that again today.

I think the biggest issue is that the kind of east west brinksmanship that allowed us to move the ball between the 20s is very difficult to execute in that part of the field. But they did also try to go vertical several times in the red zone, they just failed to execute. Maybe they could have tried another run play or three, but I don't think that would have made an iota of difference. They just couldn't open up running lanes. The line play was much worse in that aspect than even the stats would indicate.

So I would say 20 to 20, Reid did a good job. Kept the chains moving, kept Pittsburgh off the field. It was the right strategy and it would have been a winning strategy except that LeBeau owned him where it counted, in the red zone.

We had every opportunity to win.
This

WilliamTheIrish 12-21-2014 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 11209613)
I have an honest, not judging question:

Why do people do this? I don't understand it at all.
I have an honest, judgemental answer:

the person is stupid. Not just your normal run of the mill stupid, but stupid that collapses upon itself stupid. Quasar like stupidity.

MahiMike 12-21-2014 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210116)
You're talking about when the defensive back knocked the ball away? You can't get hung up on that, sometimes defensive players make plays.

I was (pleasantly) surprised Smith threw that ball to be honest. Really good coverage on that play.
I could name a dozen WRs that make that catch. Including a couple rookies. If he positions his body properly, the DB can't get his hand on it.

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414 (Post 11210119)
If Charles underwhelms in big games, it's really a product of the Chiefs always underwhelming in big games. This team can't win a big game, most notably in playoff games.

His injuries and his fumbles have always been his biggest weakness. He does both in untimely moments. That's a fair criticism.

But in the end, this is not a league where a RB can carry a team by himself. Barry Sanders tried and could never do it in the playoffs. Just in regular season games.
Nobody on this team has the shoulders to carry this team. It's not part of the franchise's DNA makeup. They're more of a "do just enough to get by and get paid" sort of team. The exact tone the owner projects by never letting the public know how he's feeling. Heck, I'm not sure they even bothered to zoom in on him today, or did I miss it?

gblowfish 12-21-2014 08:15 PM
I knew there would be a great deal of argument over Charles. I don't make my comments lightly.

He's a great back. Maybe the best Chiefs back ever. That includes Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Mike Garrett, Ed Podolak, Joe Delaney, Cakn Patna, the Nigerian Nightmare and others.

There's no doubt the guy is tough. He's proven that this year. He probably shouldn't have played at all today with his bad knee and ankle. He may still be concussed as well.

But there is something about great backs, where they show up in big games.

Franco Harris, Riggins, Czonka, Fauk, Emmit Smith, Tomlinson, Roger Craig, Beast Mode, these kind of guys came up HUGE in must win games, in playoff games, in Super Bowls. They shine on the biggest stage, at the most important times, in the most important games.

Let's review JC's rushing production in the crucial games this year: The loss to Tennessee, the loss to Oakland, and losses to Denver, Arizona and today:

Ten 26, KC 10
Charles 7 carries, 19 yards, 0 TDs

Oak 24, KC 20
Charles 19 carries 80 yards, 1 TD (pass reception)

Denver 29, KC 16
Charles 10 carries, 35 yards, 0 TDs.

Arizona 17, KC 14
Charles 10 carries, 91 yards, 1 TD
(63 yards on one carry)

Pittsburgh 20, KC 12
Charles 9 carries, 29 yards, 0 TDs

Hey, Derrick Thomas is a hall of famer. He was also guilty of disappearing in important games. He never had a memorable playoff game, and oftentimes when Marty and the Chiefs lost, it was in part due to DT disappearing. It was a rap that followed DT his whole career. He was a great individual player, he was not a difference maker in big money, important do or die games. That's just the truth.

Hootie 12-21-2014 08:15 PM
very disappointing season

I'll remember it for losing to the Titans, the Raiders and then losing games against Arizona, San Fran and Pittsburgh where we just shot our ****ing selves in the foot in all three games, repeatedly.

The only two games where we were outmatched was Denver. Twice. Oh shit, and Tennessee week 1 LMAO

we'll be 10-6 or 11-5 next year, by default, and lose our 1st round playoff game

real ****ing exciting time to be a Chiefs fan

hurry up baseball

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11210158)
I knew there would be a great deal of argument over Charles. I don't make my comments lightly.

He's a great back. Maybe the best Chiefs back ever. That includes Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Mike Garrett, Ed Podolak, Joe Delaney, Cakn Patna, the Nigerian Nightmare and others.

There's no doubt the guy is tough. He's proven that this year. He probably shouldn't have played at all today with his bad knee and ankle. He may still be concussed as well.

But there is something about great backs, where they show up in big games.

Franco Harris, Riggins, Czonka, Fauk, Emmit Smith, Tomlinson, Roger Craig, Beast Mode, these kind of guys came up HUGE in must win games, in playoff games, in Super Bowls. They shine on the biggest stage, at the most important times, in the most important games.

Let's review JC's rushing production in the crucial games this year: The loss to Tennessee, the loss to Oakland, and losses to Denver, Arizona and today:

Ten 26, KC 10
Charles 7 carries, 19 yards, 0 TDs

Oak 24, KC 20
Charles 19 carries 80 yards, 1 TD (pass reception)

Denver 29, KC 16
Charles 10 carries, 35 yards, 0 TDs.

Arizona 17, KC 14
Charles 10 carries, 91 yards, 1 TD
(63 yards on one carry)

Pittsburgh 20, KC 12
Charles 9 carries, 29 yards, 0 TDs

Hey, Derrick Thomas is a hall of famer. He was also guilty of disappearing in important games. He never had a memorable playoff game, and oftentimes when Marty and the Chiefs lost, it was in part due to DT disappearing. It was a rap that followed DT his whole career. He was a great individual player, he was not a difference maker in big money, important do or die games. That's just the truth.
Don't forget Larry, 3rd on the list... :D:D:D:D

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align="right">3</td> <td align="left">Larry Johnson</td> <td align="right">2003</td> <td align="right">2009</td> <td align="right">75</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">1375</td> <td align="right">6015</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">65</td> <td align="right">4.4</td> <td align="right">80.2</td> <td align="right">15</td> </tr> <tr data-row="3" class=""> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="left">Christian Okoye</td> <td align="right">1987</td> <td align="right">1992</td> <td align="right">79</td> <td align="right">36</td> <td align="right">1246</td> <td align="right">4897</td> <td align="right">40</td> <td align="right">59</td> <td align="right">3.9</td> <td align="right">62.0</td> <td align="right">27</td> </tr> <tr data-row="4" class=""> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">Ed Podolak</td> <td align="right">1970</td> <td align="right">1977</td> <td align="right">100</td> <td align="right">63</td> <td align="right">1157</td> <td 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align="left">Mike Garrett</td> <td align="right">1966</td> <td align="right">1970</td> <td align="right">58</td> <td align="right">51</td> <td align="right">736</td> <td align="right">3246</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">77</td> <td align="right">4.4</td> <td align="right">56.0</td> <td align="right">22</td> </tr> <tr data-row="8" class=""> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="left">Curtis McClinton</td> <td align="right">1962</td> <td align="right">1968</td> <td align="right">93</td> <td align="right">54</td> <td align="right">762</td> <td align="right">3124</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">69</td> <td align="right">4.1</td> <td align="right">33.6</td> <td align="right">27</td> </tr> <tr data-row="9" class="hl"> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="left">Herman Heard</td> <td align="right">1984</td> <td align="right">1989</td> <td align="right">87</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">651</td> <td align="right">2694</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">69</td> <td align="right">4.1</td> <td align="right">31.0</td> <td align="right">22</td></tr></tbody></table>

SAUTO 12-21-2014 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11210162)

hurry up baseball
I never thought I would think this before the super bowl was over, but this.

ThaVirus 12-21-2014 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210081)
I'm going to say something nice about Andy Reid, which is hard today, of all days, but he had the right gameplan for today's game. That was obvious every time we tried to run the ball. Every time we got stuffed. And you can't argue that they didn't move the chains all day long through the air. The problem was the red zone offense. (And trying to run the ball on 4th down instead of either kicking the goddamn field goal since we wouldn't have had time to score a TD anyway, or going with what had worked the entire first half, namely the pass.)

We weren't going to run the ball today. And there was zero wrong with Alex Smith throwing 44 passes against that defense. The offensive line was getting their shit pushed in by Pittsburgh's front seven, and that wouldn't have changed with more carries. They did the right thing going pass heavy. The stats show it: they outgained Pittsburgh by 50 yards and had a 3 minute advantage in time of possession. That's exactly what you want.

What you don't want is kicking field goals every time you're inside the ****ing 20 yard line. And unfortunately Andy Reid has always had problems in the red zone, say all you want about being the "#2 red zone team" this year, and we saw that again today.

I think the biggest issue is that the kind of east west brinksmanship that allowed us to move the ball between the 20s is very difficult to execute in that part of the field. But they did also try to go vertical several times in the red zone, they just failed to execute. Maybe they could have tried another run play or three, but I don't think that would have made an iota of difference. They just couldn't open up running lanes. The line play was much worse in that aspect than even the stats would indicate.

So I would say 20 to 20, Reid did a good job. Kept the chains moving, kept Pittsburgh off the field. It was the right strategy and it would have been a winning strategy except that LeBeau owned him where it counted, in the red zone.

We had every opportunity to win.
There is definitely some truth to this. We're a team that needs to pass to open up the run while also including some form of misdirection in order to consistently open up running lanes.

But the thing about is, we have Jamaal ****ing Charles. Sooner or later, he's going to bust one. We saw that today after the Kelce "fumble" challenge. Had they not blown that one dead, it's likely a long TD for Jamaal.

9 carries just will not do. Especially with a HOF caliber talent at RB.

keg in kc 12-21-2014 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 11210150)
I could name a dozen WRs that make that catch. Including a couple rookies. If he positions his body properly, the DB can't get his hand on it.
I think that's a load of bullshit, but you're entitled to your opinion.

gblowfish 12-21-2014 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210187)
I think that's a load of bullshit, but you're entitled to your opinion.
What's more bothersome to me is that they only targeted Bowe in the end zone once in all those trips into the red zone. If they only try him once, that means Alex or Andy or both don't trust him to get open, and make the catch. And that's a problem with what he's being paid to do.

SAUTO 12-21-2014 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210187)
I think that's a load of bullshit, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Exactly

SAUTO 12-21-2014 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11210197)
What's more bothersome to me is that they only targeted Bowe in the end zone once in all those trips into the red zone. If they only try him once, that means Alex or Andy or both don't trust him to get open, and make the catch. And that's a problem with what he's being paid to do.
Or Alex shit his pants too quickly

Hammock Parties 12-21-2014 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11210197)
What's more bothersome to me is that they only targeted Bowe in the end zone once in all those trips into the red zone. If they only try him once, that means Alex or Andy or both don't trust him to get open, and make the catch. And that's a problem with what he's being paid to do.
Bowe was nails on red zone targets before Alex.

Alex just sucks.

Lonewolf Ed 12-21-2014 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gosampel (Post 11210126)
Sry didn't watch the Chefs today but I will tell yah the season is over for the Chefs
Thanks for clearing that up.

InChiefsHeaven 12-21-2014 08:44 PM
It's the Chiefs. We should be used to this.

Look, I never thought we were a playoff team. But we won some games that we just never should have. And then, we lost games we never should have. It's the ****ing Chiefs.

I honestly want them to win next week. **** draft position at this point. We won't go to the playoffs, but we are not a two win team. I dunno...Go Chiefs. You ****ers.

Nice writeup at always George. Merry Christmas and God bless brutha.

Go Chiefs. You ****ers.

WilliamTheIrish 12-21-2014 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 11210173)
Don't forget Larry, 3rd on the list... :D:D:D:D
I believe gb stated:

Quote:
Cakn patna

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 11210318)
I believe gb stated:
I think it was "That includes Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Mike Garrett, Ed Podolak, Joe Delaney, Cakn Patna, the Nigerian Nightmare and others."

#3 gets named IMO. LJ was awesome and I loved his fire and emotion, and I don't care about the rest of the bullshit.

dannybcaitlyn 12-21-2014 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11210158)
I knew there would be a great deal of argument over Charles. I don't make my comments lightly.

He's a great back. Maybe the best Chiefs back ever. That includes Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Mike Garrett, Ed Podolak, Joe Delaney, Cakn Patna, the Nigerian Nightmare and others.

There's no doubt the guy is tough. He's proven that this year. He probably shouldn't have played at all today with his bad knee and ankle. He may still be concussed as well.

But there is something about great backs, where they show up in big games.

Franco Harris, Riggins, Czonka, Fauk, Emmit Smith, Tomlinson, Roger Craig, Beast Mode, these kind of guys came up HUGE in must win games, in playoff games, in Super Bowls. They shine on the biggest stage, at the most important times, in the most important games.

Let's review JC's rushing production in the crucial games this year: The loss to Tennessee, the loss to Oakland, and losses to Denver, Arizona and today:

Ten 26, KC 10
Charles 7 carries, 19 yards, 0 TDs

Oak 24, KC 20
Charles 19 carries 80 yards, 1 TD (pass reception)

Denver 29, KC 16
Charles 10 carries, 35 yards, 0 TDs.

Arizona 17, KC 14
Charles 10 carries, 91 yards, 1 TD
(63 yards on one carry)

Pittsburgh 20, KC 12
Charles 9 carries, 29 yards, 0 TDs

Hey, Derrick Thomas is a hall of famer. He was also guilty of disappearing in important games. He never had a memorable playoff game, and oftentimes when Marty and the Chiefs lost, it was in part due to DT disappearing. It was a rap that followed DT his whole career. He was a great individual player, he was not a difference maker in big money, important do or die games. That's just the truth.

Thanks George for the read. I always enjoy them. The one thing I can add is look at the QB's of them shinning running backs you listed. Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, Warner, YOUNG etc. Now look at charles qb's. Cassel, Palko, Orton And smith. Those quarterbacks strike no fear to Defensive cordinators. Defense know to beat the Chiefs you stop Charles. I would love to see charles behind the line Emmit Smith had.

stevieray 12-21-2014 10:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11210081)

We had every opportunity to win.
yup,, four red zone attempts...12 points.

:banghead:

Pasta Little Brioni 12-21-2014 10:21 PM
Horrible take on the defensive players especially Houston and the secondary guys. They played their asses off. That's a tough balanced team to defend.

GloryDayz 12-21-2014 10:39 PM
They just showed andy's presser again. "they will learn from this" . I suspect by March these 53 will be ready.

Demonpenz 12-21-2014 10:41 PM
JC makes something out of nothing so much. Not hating on the dude at all.

ILChief 12-21-2014 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11210617)
Horrible take on the defensive players especially Houston and the secondary guys. They played their asses off. That's a tough balanced team to defend.
I agree. I really like our secondary other than Owens

Buehler445 12-21-2014 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11210668)
I agree. I really like our secondary other than Owens
Need some safety depth. I like Parker at S but not CB.

Saleenman607 12-21-2014 11:19 PM
nice take, as always Mr. gbblowfish. The Chiefs are who I thought they were since they're last playoff win...........they are HARD to watch

Painful in fact

Red Dawg 12-21-2014 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saleenman607 (Post 11210748)
nice take, as always Mr. gbblowfish. The Chiefs are who I thought they were since they're last playoff win...........they are HARD to watch

Painful in fact
Very insightful to your stupdity. Gbblowfish only got half his post correct by the way.

cdcox 12-21-2014 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209631)
On that note, to be honest I'd be a liar if I said I didnt think Reid should've taken the three right before half... we get the ball next half only down 1.
What would Denver do?
What would Indy do?
What would NE do?

We need to do the same damn thing if we want to compete with those teams.

ThaVirus 12-22-2014 12:51 AM
Going for it was a good move. You have to trust your team to be able to convert on 4th and inches.

Personally, I'd have liked to see a QB sneak but hindsight is 50/50.

Al Czervik 12-22-2014 01:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11210858)
Going for it was a good move. You have to trust your team to be able to convert on 4th and inches.

Personally, I'd have liked to see a QB sneak but hindsight is 50/50.
Me too....QB sneak would of been the best call....
Running behind Fischer had fail written all over it.

smith11 12-22-2014 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209739)
Agreed. It would be different if we had a better line.
likenbach got lifted up and driven back for a sack today..harris whiffed badly on another sack given up...chiefs for most of season played essentially with 1 productive receiver on field (when Jenkins, Hammond are your 2nd receicvers it is not good--there has been noticeable improvement in last 3 games in yardage and pushing ball downfield with Wilson actually producing as 2nd wr, and avant being productive as 3rd receiver)

the Talking Can 12-22-2014 05:19 AM
charles produces more on a snap to snap basis than any chiefs player in my lifetime


playing behind perpetually bad OLs, and with 11 defenders focused on him at all times due to shitty QB play....he just happens to have one of the greatest yard per carry averages in nfl history, and makes game breaking plays with a regularity that obviously leads people to take him for granted

great RBs can't carry teams...only QBs can

Simply Red 12-22-2014 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smith11 (Post 11210865)
likenbach got lifted up and driven back for a sack today..harris whiffed badly on another sack given up...chiefs for most of season played essentially with 1 productive receiver on field (when Jenkins, Hammond are your 2nd receicvers it is not good--there has been noticeable improvement in last 3 games in yardage and pushing ball downfield with Wilson actually producing as 2nd wr, and avant being productive as 3rd receiver)
Yep - Just want to say one more thing - sorry to ever show faith in him. I wanted Jeff to be good.

ping2000 12-22-2014 06:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 11210661)
They just showed andy's presser again. "they will learn from this" . I suspect by March these 53 will be ready.

What? That they lack the talent to play in this league? What a ****ing stupid comment. **** off Reid.

GloryDayz 12-22-2014 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 11210925)
What? That they lack the talent to play in this league? What a ****ing stupid comment. **** off Reid.
No shit... Andy's about the most PC loser in the world.

I'll assume the "lesson" they've learned is that you have to have players who don't suck! And I'm sure "the cap" will prevent them from fixing THAT problem, just like Denver is suffering. Wait, good players seem to be willing to play for them for next to nothing it seems!!!!!

Coogs 12-22-2014 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11210858)
Going for it was a good move. You have to trust your team to be able to convert on 4th and inches.

Personally, I'd have liked to see a QB sneak but hindsight is 50/50.
I told my son before the play that I would have kicked the FG. And while this goes against George's point #5, we could have won this game with 7 FG's. The other 3 FG's we didn't get... that one right before half, the bogus fumble by Charles that should have been overturned was in position for a FG, and then right at the end of the game, we would have only needed a FG to take the lead at 21-20.

Now while I agree TD's are much more desirable, this game could have been won without one.

scho63 12-22-2014 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11209217)
Ten Things About Today's Game

10. The NFL is a cruel, unforgiving place.
Especially if you are a Chiefs fan. :banghead:

9. This team will never be much more than a borderline "maybe make the playoffs" type of team with Alex Smith at QB. He is Matt Cassel with better scrambling ability.
I said this exact same thing in another thread. I thought he was much better but sadly I was wrong! :doh!:


8. Jamaal Charles may be the best running back in Chiefs history. But he is not a big game player, and is not a clutch player. He is injury prone, and he is mistake prone. He does not shine when most needed.
Another sad fact we must face and another player we all count on to rescue us but fails to deliver when the game is on the line.

7. Dwayne Bowe has stolen his bloated paycheck this year.
He is the highest paid glorified blocking TE in the history of the NFL. I do add blame to Alex Smith for throwing to him so little and Andy Reid for not calling many plays for him.

6. There was a big article in the KC Star today about how Eric Fisher has been mentored by John Alt over the past few weeks. Fisher was an embarrassment against a geriatric James Harrison today. Harrison beat Fisher for two sacks, and was in on several other tackles for loss. Fisher was basically awful.
The left side of the line looked like pee wee football players. They were DESTROYED and saying Fisher was awful is TOO KIND! He was F***ing terrible and a complete abortion! :shake:

5. Andy Reid made Alex Smith throw 45 times today. He only ran the ball 14 times.
It always seems we are so predictable with the play calling that the Steelers always knew when we were running and stacked the line. Add in the fact our OLine is complete shit, this made getting anything done on offense a real effort.

4. The real reason this is a mediocre team -either an 8-8 or 9-7 team as we'll see after next week- is because this defense was gutted.
Losing the tackling and run stopping ability of DJ shows just how valuable he was......

3. Because of injuries, the Chiefs are down to a lot of bottom of the barrel guys seeing the field.
I actually think some of these bottom of the barrel guys did better then expected, especially Albert Wilson.

2. Special teams contributed all the points (sadly) and made one nice play on a fake field goal for a first down. They didn't beat us, they just didn't help that much.
I know people keep hating on DAT for his decision making but I can live with a few 15 yard starting points for the ability to bust one open with his ability. He seems to hold onto the ball pretty well so far.

1. So, it's come down to -realistically- all we can do is hope to spoil San Diego's season next week. We lost to two of the teams who'll be picking in the top four slots in the 2015 draft. That's enough to send you home for New Years, and deservedly so. This team got what it deserved today.
That's a good summary and we finished at our talent level with a .500 record. Mediocrity at it's finest. :thumb:

Finally, I hope you and your family have a very Merry Christmas. God Bless Us, everyone. o:-)
Well George, this was your finest write up yet as this game allowed you to sum up ALL the Chiefs problems for the year in one succinct article. :thumb:

I'm not even mad or disappointed at this time because my expectations this year were so low. The years of finishing at 13-3 with home field advantage for the entire playoffs and then losing to the Colts in the first round really were the lowest point for me as a Chiefs fan.

Oh well, like we say every year at this time, "let's look forward to next year and the draft."

Have a great holiday season GB for you and your family, especially your Mom!

hitchief 12-22-2014 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 11210863)
Me too....QB sneak would of been the best call....
Running behind Fischer had fail written all over it.
Agree with this X1000.

Why would Andy trust that oline at all. Charles was hitting a brick wall all dam day so what did he think would change. The only chance we had was a play action pass or a very quick hitting qb sneak.

Ragged Robin 12-22-2014 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 11210863)
Me too....QB sneak would of been the best call....
Running behind Fischer had fail written all over it.
They even ran power and pulled a guard ROFL so much fail, run game has been terrible at that all season due to terrible line play. I'm a fan of the quick FB handoff in that situation myself. But in all seriousness, the BEST call would be to go for the FG..

GloryDayz 12-22-2014 10:14 AM
One more thing that I think pours salt in the wound is that Todd-the-Golfer was right!

http://sports-kings.com/downanddista...9/original.jpg

Color Red 12-24-2014 07:56 AM
One other matter with this season: This team lost a significant amount of heart and intangible when Eric Berry got his diagnosis. Not to mention losing his play.

Pablo 12-24-2014 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Color Red (Post 11216185)
One other matter with this season: This team lost a significant amount of heart and intangible when Eric Berry got his diagnosis. Not to mention losing his play.
I'm not going to let this team off that easy. They could have used that as a rallying point. They didn't.

The defense has still played at a pretty nice level. Our putrid offense has sunk this ship.

MahiMike 12-24-2014 08:18 AM
Anyone else pulling for the Chargers this weekend? I like Rivers and hope he takes Manning down in the playoffs.

Pablo 12-24-2014 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 11216197)
Anyone else pulling for the Chargers this weekend? I like Rivers and hope he takes Manning down in the playoffs.
No. I hate the Chiefs right now as much as anyone, but I won't be rooting for Ol' Phil to do shit.

Although if he was our QB this whole site would have the biggest Rivers hard-on in the world.

Carnivore 12-24-2014 08:35 AM
I read your take on the game every week, as you said in the first paragraph. This is not for the Homers. I agree with everything you said. I knew it was over when Oakland beats us.

GloryDayz 12-24-2014 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Color Red (Post 11216185)
One other matter with this season: This team lost a significant amount of heart and intangible when Eric Berry got his diagnosis. Not to mention losing his play.
I disagree, I think it gave them fight they might not have had otherwise.


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