Bullshit! You can become a Bowe Groupie with me! We'll stalk the poor, unsuspecting bastard-fans of whatever franchise elects to accept his greatness!

Just crazy talk. In his last 55 games (a massive sample size for an NFL player), Alex has a 93.5 rating and is 38-16-1 or an 11-5 equivalent. In what bizarro world would that qualify as the "20th best" quarterback? We already know 16th spot is average which is an 84 rating.


Chiefs fans need to face reality: we aren't a very good team at most positions. This "juggernaut" ain't being held back by a quarterback.

And this juggernaught is never going anywhere with Alex Smith at QB, so I ask again, who gives a rat's ass?

The problem with this is you are assuming that Chase has reached his cieiling. What I saw is Chase making passes that Smith would never attempt because he takes no chances at all which will keep this team mediocre.

It probably won't, but in that case what should we do? Just stop playing football games? Purposely trot in a revolving door of QBs like the Raiders and Jaguars and Rams do and be a clown car of a team?

Nobody wants Chase Daniel. Not really anyway. Just pointing out that Alex is no better than any other 3 million dollar QB.

We might be best served to move on. Long term.

Short term, we can try to shore him up with a new everything else.

Where's your money?

You build your team, find a cheap stop gap (read don't pay 2 2nd round picks and huge money)QB and bide your time till you find the right QB.

I wonder if Alex Smiths ultra conservative approach doesnt inflate his qb rating a bit with the lack of picks. He really doesn't play the position like anybody else in the NFL. Seems like with him you are comparing apples and oranges when putting his QBR up against guys that throw downfield.

You can inflate your record by beating a lot of bad teams by not turning it over and letting them beat themselves. Marty made a living at that.

Rating+ penalizes you for low yards/attempt. So you can't really game the system. And we know it correlates very well with wins....and we know turnover margin also correlates well. It works together.

If Alex was gaming the system it would show up in the standings. And he's winning a ton of games. Unless one argues this Chiefs team should've done better than 19-11 with him starting which I'd find baseless.

Yes. It's pretty obvious you can win a lot of games in the NFL by not turning it over and letting the other team beat themselves. Marty showed us sometimes you have to be able to go out and actually beat a team when you get to the playoffs.

Russell Wilson didn't have to beat anybody last year.

Have you watched both play and made a conclusion to which guy you want on your team?

Stats only tell part of the story. It's best to use a combination of "Moneyball" and "Scouts Eye" IMO.

Alex Smith is a mediocre game manager.

Russel Wilson is a dynamic game manager.

Those terms aren't things I can quantify so Ill concede that.

Numerically they're eerily similar and Alex was a muffed punt from going to the SB in San Fran and a joke defense from beating Indy last year.

Not getting into that muffed punt argument again.
That's just a dead end.

But let me know when Russel Wilson is as non productive on 3rd downs in big games as Alex Smith was in that one.

I can't do that. Football is a game that I literally can't just turn emotion on for a team.

Let me know when Smith has an actual OL and nfl talent at WR.

2011

Read his post again dipshit.

ROFL right?

I'd guess the first playoff game vs NO last year where he turned in a 9-18 103 yard 0TD dud.

Chase Daniel is a less good version of Alex Smith, is anyone arguing otherwise?

is someone trying to argue that Alex Smith is the same as Russell Wilson as well ? Because that is reeruned.

There are two ways to look at it. One is that Alex Smith's QB rating is "only" a 93. The other is that his QB rating is somehow a 93 playing in front of one of the worst offensive line groups in the league.

I think we'd all agree that, statistics aside, last year Smith was quite a bit more effective when the offensive line was significantly better.

Daniel is definitely more willing to take risks with the ball and he is good at extending plays with his feet - that will work for a Sunday or two, but eventually you have to stand in the pocket and make multiple reads and execute throws when under pressure in the league if you are going to be a starter in the NFL.

I don't think Daniel's two starts show us that he can do that, obviously. It does show us that he is a quality, veteran backup and his job is probably secure with the team for the immediate future. I think he should be restructured to be more cap friendly, but he should be retained as our #2.

He needs to brush Smiff's nuts out of the way of his screen first.

GoChargers!!!!

Phillip was excellent today. He's a very clutch NFL QB.

Daniel is better and cheaper. I'd definitely take Derek Carr over either one, though.

Fivehead's still the biggest choker in history.

QB passing rating is a fairly worthless stat. A high completion percentage with no interceptions inflates the system.

The best QB rating currently is the Total QBR. Its way more accurate in how a QB is actually doing that passing rating.

But how many 3rd downs did he convert.

Rating is a very accurate predictor of wins, so it's hardly worthless. QBR correlates to wins almost identically as Rating does.

ROFL

anyone who takes Derek Carr over anyone is a moron

Derek Carr is legitimately awful

Alex is 23rd this year by that metric.

On a side note, Manning has six of the ten best seasons of all time by that metric. Crazy.

Crazy?

I guess people just don't understand he's the best QB ever.

Even his postseason QBR is the best ever.

But he sucks.

As you say this with your Alex Smith jersey on ROFL

You'll never hear that argument from me. I'm not a blind homer like some.

if people would actually trade Alex Smith for Derek Carr and then think "QB problem solved" they are COMPLETE morons

In the three playoff games last year, Russell averaged this line:

14-23 175yd 1td 0int

He really put that team on his back and willed them to the Title lulz

Passing rating does not correlate to wins. You are a ****ing moron on that one.

The best ever come up big in the biggest moments.

That doesn't describe Peyton Manning.

You are not understanding.

It's not about numbers.

It's about making plays when plays need to be made.

Russell Wilson is an unbelievable QB. Go look at the 1 playoff game where his team was actually trailing. Make that two...

He played about the best 2nd half in the history of the postseason in a loss to Atlanta in his first postseason. Like, incredible. Best half of QB'd football I've ever seen.

and then last year in the NFCCG they would have lost that game if not for his hard count, draw 49ers offsides on 4th and 7, and then throws a very aware deep ball (free play) to Kearse who scores the go ahead score.

if you really want to look at a stat sheet and try to say Russell doesn't do anything for the Seahawks perhaps you could make an argument

it would just be incorrect

I know this because I watch the ****ing games lol

Alex was 19th in total qbr last year in his eleven win season.

who does it describe?

in the NFL right now

who does it describe

I'm dying to know. Anyone?

Read the first post. I cited the study.

Alex is a 3rd tier starting NFL QB. He's a perfect 1 year QB for teams who take 1st round QB's...that's about it.

He's a game manager that doesn't lose games but will never win them, either.

we all know that

what's left to debate?

Alex Smith was actually playing like a true game manager earlier in the year. The Chiefs were hovering around 50% in third down conversions, and he was pretty consistently converting even on third and long. The Raiders game was a big turnaround for Smith. From that time on, the Chiefs were something like 25-30% on 3rd down conversions which is comically bad. That's terrible game management.

Furthermore, in Russell Wilson's short career, he's pretty much matched Smith's total # of game winning drives (13 for Smith, 16 for Wilson). Smith, in particular, whiffed on 4 of his chances this year -- that's 4 out of 7 of the Chiefs' losses.

You said best ever.

But in the NFL right now, I want Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Wilson to lead my team before Manning.

he's the best ever IMO

I'm not going to comment on guys like Montana and Bradshaw that A) I wasn't old enough to watch and B) they didn't play in a salary cap era

the competition is WAY better in today's salary cap era

the Jets were taking fullbacks in the 1st round back then for crying out loud

the NFL had 5 or 6 good teams that competed for every title; no parity

hard to say someone is the best ever from that era

It's Brady or Manning. Arguments can be made for both (clearly).

Cutler is two spots ahead of Alex in total qbr.

And we all know what a dumpster fire he is.

why Rodgers?

He's laid a ton of eggs in the playoffs. He's 5-4 with 4 wins coming in 1 postseason.

He's already got a built in excuse for this one, too.

When is enough, enough?

He took too many sacks two straight years to Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers. He's out of passes, as well.

No idea why you think more highly of him than Manning. When has Rodgers came up in big moments more so than Peyton?

The greastest ever don't choke, and and shit their pants against the best defenses, defenses that can get after the QB, the way that Manning does.

They are men that stand in the face of pressure and deliver in the biggest moments.

Manning wilts.

A thread about Chase Daniel and Alex Smith turns into a Manning debate.


Sigh.

His one postseason run was greater than anything that Manning has ever done in the playoffs.

wtf

that is so stupid

there is not a single QB in the NFL that is good when the pass rush gets to the QB

it's why having a pass rush is so important

Brady ****ing sucks against the pass rush
Rodgers ****ing sucks against the pass rush

Wilson is actually pretty good due to his amazing scrambling ability.

Agree.

Joe Flacco did it once, too, and Joe Flacco ****ing sucks.

Rodgers is great, but he is the same guy as Manning at this point.

A guy with 1 good playoff run and a bunch of disappointments.

Not sure why he gets a pass.

Manning isn't even the best QB ever on either of the franchises he has played for.

Wait, what?

God Damnit GoChargers, why did you have to bait Hootie like that?

Manning, Rodgers and Brady all desperately need this Super Bowl IMO

there should be no excuses for all three of them

they all have a BYE

they are all great

no excuses for ANY of them this year

if they lose, they better play ****ing really well

It wasn't as good as you telling me 2 games wasn't enough to judge Daniel, then saying 2 games was enough for you to.

dumbest thing i've ever heard

dumb
dumb
DUMBBBBBB

hilarious that someone actually thinks he's not the greatest Colts QB ever

reeruned

You are still welcome.

Colts had this guy named Johnny Unitas.

Can Alex break the top half of the league in total qbr next season?

Excited to find out!

sometimes I have to realize this is the same board that said Tom Brady was "washed up" and New England was done, and Brady should be benched (after being "benched" against KC)

...

so yeah

I should temper my expectations when it comes to common sense on this board.

so

ChiefsCountry

I'll assume you're 30 - 40 years old

you're going to sit here and tell me a guy you probably never watched is better than Peyton Manning

amiright?

I got a big belly laugh from it, so thanks.

it's hilarious to me that people are going to try and tell me a guy from the 1960s in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME is better than a guy who has BASICALLY every QB record and a guy who literally has won his division like 15 times out of 17

ok

yeah

that's super logical

Using that logic Derek Jeter is the greatest Yankee of all time over Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio etc.

Red Grange >>> Adrian Peterson

if you took 1940's Red Grange and put him in today's NFL he'd be ... the water boy?

You are welcome.

Tis the season to be jolly.

Also give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.

uhm, no

not at all

wtf

...

lmfao

you need to explain this one lolololol

Derek Jeter has worse numbers than all of those guys.

You want to compare Peyton's #'s to Unitas'?

wtf

god this board is so DUMB

Man, remember ****ing Adrian Peterson.

We'll probably never see him score a TD ever again.

Sad.

Draft a QB.

at least you can ****ing argue that one

...

though

you'd still be wrong

but at least, AT LEAST, this one is debatable

Elway vs. Manning is a real debate.

Peterson ranked one spot ahead of Alex at 22 in total qbr this year . Man, our qb sucks.