but blah blah blah

45 years

blah blah blah

22 years without a playoff win

Don't you think EVERYONE knows this? My God.

I'm all for finding an Aaron Rodgers Oak and taking an Aaron Rodgers from said Oak and calling it a day ...

but unfortunately, he's about a once a decade tree. If that. Fortunately, Reid/Dorsey were smart enough to stay away from the Geno Aids Fire Tree.

and you're right Dane, I certainly don't understand the medical side of an achilles injury

I'm not even particularly optimistic or pessimistic. I know our defense was pretty good this year with a dumpster fire playing at DJ's position, so there's that

but the good thing is that, if Terrell Suggs can do it and return to about the same form, DJ could definitely do it as well

will he?

Guess we'll see.

I don't think thats a Reid problem. Going back and looking at the Eagles his teams have always finished strong.

2006 Finished 6-2 won last 5 games
2007 Finished 5-3 won last 3 games
2008 Finished 4-4 Went 3-1 last 4 games
2009 Finished 6-1
2010 Finished 6-3 3-2 last 5 games
2011 Finished 5-2 won last 4 games
2012 Complete Failue

2013-Our two best pass rushers got hurt, we started playing better QB's and our secondary got exposed. The offense and Reid actually did a much better job in the second half.

2014- Not really sure what happened, Reid could take part of the blame though.

Being in a "position to win" and actually winning are two different things entirely.

Tennesee, San Francisco and even Denver were winnable games in September. The Raiders and Cardinals games were winnable in November. The Steelers game was actually winnable in December.

In each instance, Andy Reid coached like an amateur n00b, yet he's coached more than 270 NFL games.

He is what he is.

if Reid deserves to be fired after 11-5 and 9-7

if people really think that on this board

they should just go find something else to do on Sundays

how insanely ridiculous

Without looking at his record, much of that could be attributes to the weakness of the NFC East.

Dane I'll bet anything in this world you'll be right back on the Reid/Chiefs bandwagon no later than week 10 next year

anything

and I'll make sure to bookmark this very post

It was a joke, like "nuke it from orbit".

I refuse to renew Sunday Ticket this year

Thats a pretty hefty stretch of games there. finishing out the second half of each season at > .500 5 years in a row? It should be pretty obvious that complete failures at the end of the season aren't an issue Reid has had.

Again, I haven't reviewed the NFC East's record during that time because it's late and I'm on my iPad.

But if memory serves, Dallas was awful to average during that period. Washington has been a disaster and the Giants have vacillated from a 9-7 Super Bowl team to a bad team.

More details are necessary before proclaiming that it's not a Reid issue.

We'll see, man. I stopped being a Chiefs fan after the Indy game last year that I sat through in person. I threw away hundreds of dollars of Chiefs gear and literally gave up. 100%. After a month or two, lol, I calmed down.

Watched every game, albeit, with way less anger. Maybe I'm getting older, maybe the Indy game made me realize it's just a game ... but it was the first year in my life a loss didn't ruin my week and a win didn't make it, either.

Thats fair.

I haven't missed a Chiefs broadcast or game in more than 30 years and many times, outside the US. But I'd rather take my girls to the beach or Disneyland than watch yet another forgettable Chiefs season.

You're right: I may give in at the last minute, as I did this season. But I can't guarantee I'll watch every game in real time or watch with the enthusiasm I had a decade ago, let alone two decades ago.

a few good additions to the ol, and i'd say ^this^...

Someday he'll make a great John Madden color commentator...you see here..if you score more points...you're gonna win!

But, but...Alex Smith.

Once we get the playoff victory a lot of the frustration goes bye bye. That being said, I'm ready for our dynasty and I think the team has made great strides to making that a reality in the near future.

Maybe when we get a HC and a QB we cab start that dynasty.

"He knew where everyone was on every snap." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Alex Smith's progression this season on #TheDayShift. :shake:

Isn't a QB supposed to know this? I mean is this something Peyton or Tom Brady does not know?

That is like saying Alex was awesome when he ran out of the tunnel at Arrowhead-he knew Exactly when to run out-and timed it perfect when they called his name.

Great job Alex-here is another billion dollar extension.

Chiefs are great at doubling down on a bad hand. :rolleyes:

He played "okay" I guess... He only beat the chiefs sack record, previously held by the greatest linebacker of all time, Derrick Thomas. And was a single sack away from having the all time sack record. So he played alright.

P.S. **** you Bob Sutton. You piece of shit. You took not only away from Houston, but you took from the entire Chiefs fanbase. Houston, holding the all-time record for sacks could have been the only thing worth celebrating this off season. But you took that away from us. And all because of your insecurity of your tiny penis syndrome. I hope that during the down time of this off-season, your wife contracts genital herpes during a 5-way gang bang and then passes said herpes on to you. Then, when your spending your entire 2015 season scratching your dick on the sidelines, only then will the fans have their rightful retribution.

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Legit. This is an extremely good team minus Chris Owens and a left guard. Sure a WR would help.

We had a top 5 defense and the 2nd best pass defense even with the likes of Ron Parker and Chris ****ing Owens. And without Berry for the year. We had guys such as Fleming and a third round draft pick in Gaines start. How we finished 2nd in pass defense is beyond me. Sutton deserves to stay. The hate on him is unreal

No, you don't.

Even today it makes you a shadow of your former self. It's the absolute worst sports injury you can have...

Yet I'm the idiot that doesn't know $3it about football...

Terrell Suggs blew out his achilles at the same age as Derrick Johnson, plays the same position, was the same physical freak, and came back and no one noticed a difference.

I love how someone on CP will tear an achilles, or an ACL, or a shoulder and be like, "oh man...that happened to me! No way he's coming back from that!"

and forget that these are WORLD CLASS athletes with WORLD CLASS PHYSICIANS and WORLD CLASS PEDs (let's not be naive here)

There's a clear difference.

VERY noticeable...

Most understated post of the year...

Difference is DJ is a chiefs player. If this was von miller or any other player guys like Hootie would be ripping him saying he won't be the same etc. But since its DJ and he wears red and gold it will always be rainbows and unicorns.

Wash rinse repeat.

You said .500, 11 games is well above .500. Where did you go to school?

That continually got woodshedded with the run. No need to throw the ball when they are breaking it off in his anus.

Remember Oakland's abysmal running game that effectively ended our season backed up with some scrub CJ Anderson running wild at arrowhead.

Plus his teams are scared shirtless to sack manning. Either he is paying Manning's dry cleaning bill or his schemes suck that bad.

The hate from me only exist for ruining the chance for Houston getting the sack record.... And the bullshit he pulled in the playoffs last season.

Its justified.

I doubt Houston ever breaks the NFL sack record.

He's valuable short in coverage and he's solid in the running game.

He's not one dimensional like DT was for most of his career...

Some of those years the NFC East wasn't weak.

Some of those years Jim Johnson wrecked shit with his defense.

Bob Sutton is doing a good job.

He was literally 1 sack away from breaking it. So Wtf are you talking about?

I never said he was a Derrick Thomas. There's only 1 DT and he's irreplaceable.

They don't play the same position and DJ had already lost a step before the injury.

DJ at even 80% of what he was in 2013 would be worth keeping around. He was borderline All-Pro in a year when Bowman, Willis and Keuchly were all healthy.

Why hold on to an aging vet when you can going young faster etc.

Chiefs always seem to hold on players past their productive prime.

?

I don't remember this lost step.

And who cares if they play a different position?

One would think that being a rush backer by trade the explosiveness potentially lost from an achilles would be more career threatening then being an instinctive run stopper like DJ

Ridiculous.

Will DJ be 80% of the DJ we have known for the last 5 years? Who knows.

To just discount it entirely and ignore the fact I named two different guys who came back both in their 30s and both still excelling?

Typical ChiefsPlanet.

yes!

another year of Josh Muaga and Joe Mays instead of DJ, please!

because 70% DJ isn't still 5 X the player Josh Muaga is or anything

more brilliant insight from our board dumbass reerun

While its silly to expect him to do anything but be positive about Alex, that statement is incredibly annoying nonetheless.

Knowing where everyone was sure didnt help him get the ball to them, did it.

We all loved DT, but don't get carried away.

DT wasn't even the greatest Chiefs LB ever.

That distinction goes to Bobby Bell, who is not only the greatest Chief LB ever, but the greastest Chief ever.

I say this as a man whose favorite player ever is Willie Lanier, who would be 2nd on the list of great Chiefs LBs, just ahead of DT.

Just for the record, I'm not saying that it's impossible for Derrick Johnson to return to 90% or more in less than a year removed from a ruptured Achilles' tendon. He could. But, it's not a certainty or an absolute.

I'm sure that every Chiefs fan holds that hope but to suggest that it's all but certain, especially from a personnel standpoint, could lead to disastrous results in 2015.

the funny thing is

99 out of 100 people on ChiefsPlanet would take Matt Stafford's 2014 over Alex Smith's

and in my opinion, Matt Stafford on this Chiefs team would have led us to about 5 wins

Oh I hope you don't think I'm suggesting it ... I most definitely am not.

We have a ton of picks and the position needs to be addressed from a depth standpoint with or without Johnson tearing his achilles.

the funny thing is

Matt Stafford has nothing but weapons around him, including the most gifted WR arguably ever ...

and all he does is post QBR's in the mid 50's, turn the ball over around 22 times a year, and never show up against good teams

grass is always greener, though

If the opportunity to improve said position presents itself, they should take it.

I

That's a matter of opinion sir. I stick by my original statement. You are welcome to think different.

Matt Stafford sucks.

Is that the same Stafford in the Playoffs?

I would rather watch Stafford brush his hair for hours on end then watch Alex dump off 2 yard passes behind the line when it is 3rd and long.

Hopefully we only have one more year of suffering with this noodle armed, no impact, high paid chump.

Id have taken Stafford over Smith 3 years ago because I thought he could be fixed. Now, it's apparent he's just a douche with a very punchable face that'll always have shitty mechanics.

what is the difference between Stafford and Cutler making about 10 unnecessary throws / risks per game that lose ball games and Alex Smith who takes NO RISK EVER which, in turn, can lose ball games?

Did he throw a ****ing TD to a WR this year?? Because Alex did not.

Think about that-in this day and age of football-how the **** does a QB not throw at least one TD to a WR? ****ing pitiful. Alex is the most boring QB I have ever seen- Zero passion, Zero heart. When the game is on the line he lays down like a little bitch.

I would take Stafford in a heart beat-at least he can throw over 20 yards and actually hit his target.

I was all for giving him a chance-but watching him game after game-made me want to punch him in his face to wake him up-he slept walked through the entire season and cashed a big fat check.

Thats a fair enough question, but I think the part of the equation thats missing is that those other guys are capable of generating the kinds of explosive plays that can bring a team back from multiple touchdown deficits when that team starts the game poorly.

Guys like Smith have proven incapable of that, when he brings us back from a measly ten points down every once in a blue moon its some kind of big deal.

who cares if Alex threw a TD to a receiver?

It matters ZERO.

We were 8th in the NFL in red zone efficiency this year. We already know we don't throw deep passes, so outside of a WR fade which is a total throw away play for this team, how did you expect a WR to score a TD?

It would be one thing if we were 30th in red zone efficiency, but we weren't.

Our running backs had 21 TD's.

It was really a non-issue to say the least. It would be different if we had issues in the red zone.

We were actually top 5 until the putrid 2-4 stretch to end the season.

look, I can't believe that this website makes me look like an Alex Smith apologist. I am not. He is a flawed QB. Outside of about 5 guys, every single QB has flaws that can't be overlooked.

That said, when people tell me that Cutler and Stafford can at least make plays ... it just makes me cringe.

These guys turn the ball over 3 times more than Smith every year. In wins this year, Smith was an efficient QB who managed the gameplan pretty well.

When we fell behind in games, we really saw him struggle because he's limited, because our line was very limited, and because our receivers were limited. It was a trifecta of suck.

People want to bash Andy Reid. Fine. But his team won 9 games this year, with that line, with that QB, with those receivers all while playing 11 teams with winning records.

He won 9 games and that's with 2 losses against a 2-14 team and a 3-13 team.

I'd say the pessimism on this website for this regime is insane.

Every realistic fan knows our team can't make 5 mistakes and win a game because our QB isn't Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You could say the same thing for about 25 NFL teams, not just the Chiefs.

That being said, with the talent we have, the coaching we have, and the assets we will gain in 2015 with all of those draft picks + another year of our new regime being able to put in the pieces they want ... there should be a hell of a lot more optimism.

But, unfortunately, the loudest voices on ChiefsPlanet are all going to make this entire offseason, once again, about Alex Smith.

Yaaaay

If you're addressing my post, lets throw receiver touchdowns out the window and just focus on explosive plays in general to receivers... when we do that, he STILL comes up lacking.

With our miserable last 6 games in the redzone, dont you think that goes hand in hand with Smiths inability or reluctance to throw outside to his receivers, thereby giving the defense much less field to defend on an already shrunken field?

Once teams figured out that all they had to focus on in the redzone was Charles, Fasano and Kelce... they had it made.

I don't disagree hootie.

But our offense isn't explosive enough. They have to go on long drives with alot of plays to score points. With running that many plays, it's more chances for a flaw to be exposed.

Be it the line, the qb, the wrs, whaetver, you've got to improve this offseason to get more explosive.

Oh absolutely, I totally agree. We need Alex to throw the ball down the field. Period. No excuses. It's 2015, what we did in 2014 isn't going to work, really, ever again.

Being cautious is one thing, doing what we did in 2014 is just inexplicable.

I'm willing to let Reid/Dorsey try and fix the line and add a receiver who can actually take the top off of a defense and then form my final opinion, though.

Give this guy some gold... Wait, is this Reddit?

Alex Smith sucks. But other QBs suck far worse. We all want our own Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. We've been ****ed and raped out of having a solid consistent QB for decades, so that leaves a sour taste in our mouth. But our QB situation is not near as bad as others. And ****ing Cutler? Are you guys being seriously right now? If I can't have a qb that can bomb the ball down the field effectively, I'm not willing to trade that for a guy that can bomb the ball down the field ineffectively. That's just ****ing reerun talk right there.

Alex Smith isn't great. But our number 1 concern should be the O-line and our receivers. Anybody who thinks putting a a great QB in our system, without a line to block, or receivers to catch, is a moron.

They've got 11 picks and can make it so they money is therr to go pursue one of such.

This is a big offseason for this regime. They need to continue to influx and develop talent to get over the proverbial hump.

at this point, I understand, but we have a team set up to compete in 2015

Alex Smith is the best option for the Chiefs right now. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

What we should be focused on doing this offseason is scouting QB's and drafting the guy Reid likes best within the first 3 rounds and developing him behind Smith on a winning organization.

That works every bit as good (if not better) as drafting a Blake Bortles, throwing him right into the shit storm of a shit organization, and hoping for a miracle.

because the Jags may have already ruined that guy

LMAO agreed.

and all Reid has done his entire NFL career in Philly is draft QB's early even when he had a franchise QB

they drafted Foles, Kolb, Feeley, etc...

I am certain, without a doubt, that Andy Reid (and John Dorsey) realize the importance of NFL QB's.

Thomas has longevity, but aside from that, I don't think he's as good as Houston. I would give him the edge in speed rushing, but I think Houston is a more complete pass rusher. I also think he's a much better run defender, and there is no comparison in their ability to cover.

Derrick Thomas is the most overrated Chief in history.

Shitty human too.

Your meltdowns are priceless.

He does have that punch able cutler type face

No way is he the most overrated chief in history.

Who do you believe to be rated higher for no apparent reason? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

I agree with Hamas. Of all of the guys I've seen since the 70's, which include Barbaro, Spani, Lewis, Cherry, Burress, Alt, Okoye, Hackett, Maas, Bell, Still and on and on and on, I can't think of anyone that's held in higher regard for being an incomplete player.

Thomas was clearly a phenomenal pass rusher but he wasn't great in coverage or against the run. Houston is an all around great player that's just entering his prime. He may finish Top Two in Chiefs linebacker history.

The only thing that sucks about Houston is that he was drafted by Pioli.

leave it to Chiefs fans to bash on Derrick Thomas, a hall-of-famer, and call him overrated

for ****'s sake

ROFL Guess you never saw him play. I was at every game DT played at Arrowhead including playoffs and many road games his entire career. He was far from over rated. As Milk stated 3rd best in chiefs history. Hofer!

DT transformed this team to a playoff team-I am not sure how that is over rated. Nobody got the crowd going better than DT.

Derrick Thomas was an amazing pass rusher and was often a game changing force. But it's not inaccurate to say that he wasn't a "complete" linebacker.

or course he wasn't

he was a rush backer who had one job

sack the ****ing QB and make a play

he was pretty damn good at it, too

Marty Schottenheimer transformed the Chiefs.

They'd have been transformed regardless of DT's presence.

Talking out of your ass again. I knew DT-had many interactions with him-and he was far from a shitty human. He was funny, kind, generous -perfect no-but a great person and good to his fans and friends. Plus he started the 3rd and Long Foundation, NFL man of the Year. I got to spend a lot of time with him over many years with my job and I never saw him be a dick to anyone. Him and Dan Saleaumua were always a blast to be around. Class acts.

Far more than you have ever done- so how about shutting the **** up about things you know nothing about. :thumb: