Here are the next 21 picks. Which player would you have chosen?

Kendricks, Peters, dgb

I like Maxx Williams and Gordon better as I see both of those guys as playmakers. Yeah, I'd definitely find a way to utilize Gordon (I'm not a K Davis fan). Would also probably include Kendricks and Peters too.

Definitely NOT DGB.

Kendricks? In the first round?

Sure, why not. Instinctive, aggressive and explosive are terms used to describe his play. Can't imagine him being around for our 2nd round pick. Other than DJ, we're definitely lacking at ILB. Would rather have Williams or Gordon before him, but he'd fill the bill as a #18 pick for me.

Thats like saying lets draft a LB to back up 1 position with our 1st overall.

There really is no wrong pick for the Chiefs this year.

Meatloaf, who's the better at tackling?

Eric Kendricks

Or...

Brandon Siler

Sometimes Dane I want to give you a big hug. This is one of those times.:grouphug:

I'm telling you drafting for the CHIEFS in the CP Mock is a total mind :hump:

That's a stupid question, because the correct answer is Rich Scanlon.

Sorter, are you suggesting that since Siler was drafted in the 7th round (2007), that Kendricks in the first is too much of a reach? If so, well, I've seen Kendricks taken as high as 1.11 and not even in the top 50 on some boards. So there's quite a spread on this guy.

As I said before, I'd rather have Williams or Gordon. Sounds like Kendricks could be a very good player who will likely go somewhere at the end of round 1 or top of round 2.

Generally speaking, I want playmakers/difference-makers with an early selection (if at all possible), hence my leanings towards Williams or Gordon.

BTW, I'd be shocked if the Chiefs selected an ILB at 1.18. I think it's much more likely that they'd take a CB than an ILB.

I'm going to laugh my ass of when Dorsey pisses on the fatty pimps this year, and doesn't take another one until the third. *

*Unless we have a comp pick in the 2nd.

That shit is over.

Bank it.

Can we please just draft that WR in the 1st so everyone will shut the **** up !!!!

2nd round comp pick?

You should try paying attention to how the NFL draft really works before spewing out an opinion.

And who would that be, Hog? I believe the top three (White, Cooper, Parker,) will be gone. Who then? Mr Boom/Bust (DGB)?

I think we can get a really good WR that'd blend in with our offensive scheme in rounds 2-3.

Anyway, who you got in mind for 1.18?

Hypothetical on the 2nd. In any case, the point stands; the era of the high round fatty is over in KC.

I don't believe about half of the bullshit that GMs and coaches spew, and doubt the rest.

Cameron Erving would not be my first choice for that pick, but it's not nearly as ridiculous as you make it out to be.

We can certainly use more weapons, but I'd rather do my damnedest to make sure that the weapons we do have aren't wasted because Alex Smith is getting his ass pounded into the turf, or running for his life.

And right now, bullshit be damned, we can't do that.

It wouldn't be as ridiculous of the Chiefs had even one wide receiver on the roster that actually scored a touchdown in one of sixteen games last year.

60 minutes x 16 games = 960 minutes without a TD by a receiver. That's insane.

You may not believe Dorsey but considering the way he's addressed the WR and guard spots, I believe that if he was truly unhappy with Kush, he'd have placed a higher priority in free agency.

Jeremy Maclin is going to be a part of the solution (a big part), and there should be good value at WR in the second round.

I actually don't care what they go with in the first round, wheher it be WR, OL, ILB, or corner.

Just give me the best player that plugs a hole.

Dane, I think you and Milk are BOTH right. Alex needs to be upright, and I'd agree that Dorsey would've probably gone the free agent route if he felt Kush wasn't going to at least be adequate. Heck, they kept him as solely a backup center, so apparently they had something in mind.

I agree with Milk though that we definitely need more help on the OL. I just don't know what we have with Stephenson. He played horribly last year (when he played). And, what if Fisher DOESN'T improve. Could get ugly.

Erving makes sense if you think he can be a tackle and you're okay with letting him sit for a year to replace whoever plays right or you move Fisher to right and Erving moves to left in 2016.

Milk, what if the BPA is a DT, DE or OLB, would you not take that guy at 1.18?

Drafting "Best Position Available" is for losers.

Discuss, that'd make sense assuming Erving is a good tackle. Not saying that he won't be, but I think there are other folks I'd rather have at 1.18. That said, I won't go into convulsions if the Chiefs brass makes said selection.

I'm good with those positions, too. There will be WR's in the second that can probably start immediately.

But if they were to go center, then it's possible that their second rounder may be a CB or ILBer, pushing receiver to the third.

I just don't believe that center at #18 would be the choice and could have a ripple effect with the end result being less talented players at serious postions of need.

Daddy, I was using BPA as Best Player Available. Not sure what Best Position Available even means.

Best Position Available works like this:

My team needs "x".

The high round choices for "x" suck dick.

Imma' take "x" anyway.

WOO-HOO, I'M reerunED!

I don't think they'd be taking Erving strictly as a center. Rather, as I believe Discuss said, they might have him inked as a tackle (which I believe he played year before last). I think we need a tackle more than we need a center. Maybe they see this guy as both. If so, well, that'd make sense I guess.

You definitely ain't reeruned......at least no more than I am!

I don't know.

I'm thinking the best value for ILB is probably going to be in the 3rd round, and I'm with sac on ILB apparently, cause this is the second year in a row that I really like one that he does in Zach Vigil.

If we are drafting an Olineman in the first it will be a tackle.
If the draft goes anything like the Chiefs mock, we should grab a CB.

No centers.
No inside inside linebackers.
No tight ends.

I believe the Chiefs will keep an eye on the Mychal Kendrick situation in Philly. Kendrick is in the final year of his rookie deal and he's only 24 years old. He's very good in coverage, he's a good tackler and he can sack the QB. Reid drafted him in 2012 and he could be DJ's successor or at least, play by his side for a season or two.

The Eric Kendrick situation bears watching as well. Just as Reid drafted Jason Kelce, the Chiefs drafted his brother, Travis. Might we see the same in 2015?

I'm okay with picking Erving to be a tackle. :)

Devin Smith was added in round 2.

Devin Smith joins Direckshun's Chiefs.

There were THREE WRs I lusted for. The one I sorely wanted was Phillip Dorsett, an incredible speedster out of Miami. The problem there is that the Chiefs already have two Dorsett types; adding a third could cripple us in the red zone.

Also really wanted ILB Stephone Anthony out of Clemson, and a CB that has yet to be selected. The other WR hasn't been selected either.

It's worth mentioning that virtually all the WRs Dane advocated I select in the first round were still available.

What's the lowdown on Paul Dawson?

Sema like the on field stuff, 2nd 3rd round.

Combine etc, 7th.

I love Dawson.

But in our defense, he's only a SILB, which isn't worth a 2nd rounder. He's simply not athletic enough for the WILB.

They all should be available in the second. But that doesn't justify taking a center at #18.

They all should be available, and Erving almost certainly won't be, because he is virtually universally recognized to be the better and/or more valuable player.

And yet you preferred a handful of blatantly inferior WRs in the 1st.

Direckshun, I said Marcus Peters would have been my pick in the first had I been drafting for the Chiefs. What say you?

Blatantly inferior? To whom?

The best center in the world is less valuable than even an average NFL wide receiver and to argue otherwise would further prove that you're talking out of your ass.

Perimeter players are ALWAYS regarded with a higher premium than interior offensive lineman. Hell, the Chiefs just grabbed a two time Pro Bowler for a 5th round pick!

Your philosophy, as always, is flawed.

I think that would have been a fair pick, SNR -- my personal opinion is that selecting Peters would be a waste of a valuable 1st.

We have the league's 2nd rated secondary and we're returning the entire secondary. The Chiefs should bolster the depth there but I love what Suttons done.

Peters is a great talent though so I wouldn't complain much. I just think Hudson makes us better than Peters would have.

Are we still a 2nd rated secondary when we let Sean Smith walk next year? How about when Phil Gaines breaks his vagina for half the games again?

The Grubbs trade is largely irrelevant, and it firmly illustrates how you're muddling the waters here:

• Grubbs came with a high cap hit (which the Chiefs smartly fixed).
• Grubbs was being sold in a fire sale.
• Grubbs is 31.
• His play was decidedly NOT Pro Bowl caliber in 2014.
• HE WAS A FIRST ROUND PICK WHEN HE WAS DRAFTED.

Other than that, you're doing great.

If virtually nobody thinks Erving will last as long as ANY of the WRS you were advocating in the 1st, than he is a more valued asset.

I'd hope the Chiefs extend Smith.

Like I said, I wouldn't complain too much.

LMAO

A center? Or a WR that can provide 800 yards and 5 TD's?

IMO, that's a no brainer, especially for a team that had zero TD's from it's entire wide receiving corp a year earlier.

You're reaching when there's no reason to reach.

I'll probably take the most valuable player that will make my team better, and land the WR you wanted in the 1st round in the 2nd.

Because I'm boss like that.

I think any team that waits longer than the first 50 picks to get "their" WR will wind up getting burned.

Name the last time a center was the Most Valuable Player on a roster

I don't disagree that, all things being equal, an outside threat at WR is more valuable than a solid center.

Lean times ahead for the CP fatty pimp.

Nonsense.

It's over.

You'll never see that Fisher bullshit again, I assure you. It seems Big Whistle actually learns from his mistakes.

He is....

the Anti-Lil' Chiefy GM.

Praise him with great praise!

Direk, while I think Irving is a good versatile player that could become an all pro type player, even if he does, the value from the outcome just wouldn't be there from the pick.

It's just a waste of funds to take a center that high. Now his versatility can change that a bit, but still not enough I don't think.

Problem is, even if he's an all pro center, I'm not sure how much difference in value or improvement to your team that makes verse just an average to slightly above average center.

Whereas say, a corner back or wr would make more difference there.

I think the same can be said for an ILB but I'm not sure it's as big therr

Dorsey's MO is as transparent as the day is long.

If these guys don't see it, I don't know what to tell them.

Okay, I'll spell it out:

Bowe and Albert were the keys to getting the cap under control. And you'll say, "well what about Bowe's contract and the dead money"?

That's easy enough; they had to hedge their bet because there was a very good chance that receiver they wanted would be gone, and sure enough...hello New Orleans.

They also hedged against the Houston/Hali situation by drafting Ford as more than likely their 2nd option for that draft up top.

Dorsey has his cap under control or close to it now, and he's bringing in serviceable players because he's not going to blow his ****ing picks on bullshit just because Lil' Chiefy wants another goddamned fatty.

The guy projects his moves like a drive-in theater.

I agree. I really think that Maxx Williams could open this entire offense up. Look at what we did to the Patriots and Dolphins when we ran the 3 TE set? LB's will be struggling to cover both TE's and the middle of the field will be open for Maclin, Wilson, etc.

Really think CB is a good choice as well with Parker forced to play that spot last year.
If we do draft an OL I think there's a great chance it will be DJ Hunphries.

Made my third selection. What I posted is as follows:

The Chiefs have a very simple decision to make, here.

The Chiefs select Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina.

The Decision

It would have been harder had the previous two picks not occurred. The way my board fell had three guys above everybody else: Nelson, D'Joun Smith, and Hardy. There are some other talents that I like just as much at TE, OT, OLB, and DE, but I feel like those talents could be available at the bottom of the 3rd. Of the remaining WRs, Justin Hardy is by far the best, and he's at the top of my board. It's a no brainer.

The WR Position

The Chiefs have a ton of young promise at the WR position now. With Maclin and Devin Smith, they have an interesting Week 1 starting crew, with Albert Wilson and De'Anthony Thomas providing some help as well. The Chiefs also inked Jason Avant this offseason, but I don't have any faith that he'll stay healthy or even make the roster.

Hardy can come in right away and play a ton of snaps out of the slot. John Dorsey knows as good as anybody that having a 3rd and 4th receiver that's better than your opponent's 3rd and 4th CB is worth its weight in gold.

Justin Hardy

Hardy has all the making of a receiver that can succeed with Alex Smith. At 5'10", with less-than-elite speed, he's not your typical Dorsey-approved physical specimen, but he is an excellent route-runner with very high football IQ. He can set up corners over the course of a game for a devasating double move, he can stack up some YAC, he can make great circus catches with his 10" hands, and he's an incredibly tough player. He blocks, he returns punts, and he has nigh unparalleled work ethic.

Hardy's Impact

The Chiefs now have themselves a WR corps in Kelce, Maclin, Smith, Hardy, Wilson, and Thomas who are all under contract for at LEAST the next two years (as is Alex Smith, Knile Davis, and at least 4/5 of the Week 1 starting OL). This is an offense that WILL BE BETTER in Week 8 than they were in Week 1, better in Week 16 than they were in Week 8, and be better in 2016 than they were in 2015.

If you want to point the arrow way, way up for the offense, you flesh out this WR corps with the best possible talent.

I like Hardy, and you could have done worse.. but I think you should have selected DB Eric Rowe from Utah. Can develop at LCB as Gaines played well as NCB. Worst case is, Rowe gets moved back to a familiar S role some day, if he doesn't succeed at corner.

Or if KC can't throw the big money at Sean Smith after this year?

I think he should have selected Marcus Mariota.

Rowe was already drafted.

Great googly moogly. Unleash The....hootie

well shit... so he was. :doh!:

Halfway through.

My reasoning for Jones in the 4th:

This was such a tough decision between Doran Grant, who is an excellent nickel CB, Ben Koyack, my third favorite TE in this draft, and Jones.

I have Grant graded a hair higher, but Jones simply offers more value. He's a better, more athletic version of Brandon Spikes. No ILB in this draft hits harder, and he's adequate (not great) in coverage. Better yet, he's exemplary at defending the run, which is a dramatic weakness of ours. Plus, if the Chiefs passed on a starter-quality player at ILB here, their options become pathetic, essentially relying on DJ and Mauga to remain healthy for a full season (fat chance) which nothing behind them.

Passing on a really good talent like Grant can be mitigated, however. He'd essentially be a better version of Chris Owens, who the Chiefs could still bring back if they had to, and the secondary is far from being the weakness that ILB currently is.

I love Koyack, too, but solid backup TEs can be found anywhere. They just aren't going to be as good as Koyack, which is a sacrifice worth making if it lands us a talent like Jones.

My reasoning for Kikaha in the 3rd:

It was an extremely difficult decision to make this time around, because I had a shortlist of about 10 players to choose from.

Ultimately, the choice came down to DE/DT Marcus Hardison out of Arizona State, CB Doran Grant out of Ohio State, and this guy.

The Chiefs select Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB, Washington.

The reason this choice was so difficult is because the Chiefs likely don't need an OLB, but he absolutely was the best player available by a good degree. Grant is really good, but limited with no upside. Hardison is extremely exciting to watch, but he is a one-year wonder who will need a ****ton of work in technique and it's not even clear he can stop the run at all, which is a big deal at this point with our defense.

Kikaha is an absolute technician at the passrushing position. He comes virtually NFL-ready to play, and while he can always get stronger and sharper in his rushbacker technique, his ability to contribute to keeping the passrush aces can be immediately felt. There was no better passrusher than Kikaha the past year in the NCAA, and he did it the old fashioned way: he wasn't necessarily bigger and stronger than his opponents, he just had better technique and worked harder. Improve his strength, and he's got double-digit sack potential in the NFL, while being stout against the run. He'll need work in coverage as well, but there's no reason he can't play the "Hali" to Ford's "Houston" should the Chiefs elect to move on from both.

There were RBs, OTs, TEs, and an ILB I considered here, but the bang for my buck is absolutely too good with Kikaha, who can insure our passrush against (a.) losing Houston in 2016, or (b.) losing Hali in 2016, or (c.) Dee Ford potentially busting. DJ's left nut said, in another thread in the Lounge, that the team might as well prepare for a future without Hali and Houston. That's tragic to think of, but this would be a step in that direction.

Holes remain for this team at TE, CB, and especially ILB, but the talent at these positions is just dramatically inferior to what Kikaha brings to the table.

Draft Grade C-

Not a big fan of the Hardy pick, he was a slot player in college and we already have the right fit for the slot in Wilson.

Plus, don't really want an undersized guy that lacks any eye popping measurable to speak of.... I'd rather go with Ty Montgomery for a third rounder, good size at 6'0 215 and he excelled at RAC, perfect for the wco.

Hardy's a flat stud route-runner with big hands and some red zone ability. He's 5'11", he's more versatile than Wilson.

If you thought bowe had drop problems, wait til you see Montgomery. Pass.

And wilson and hardy can both be slot players and exist on the same squad.

Not a big fan of drafting a center in the first, but it would be hard to complain about this draft. Definitely makes us a better team

Shun, just my opinion, but I think Hardison should have been the 3rd Rd comp pick.

With Howard and DeVito FA's in 2016, as well as the uncertainty surrounding Catapano, Hardison would have been a great pick.

6'3" 307 lbs
33 1/2 in arms
10 3/8 hands

Very quick DE with amazig athleticism. Very good numbers at ASU including 10 sacks last year.
One of my favorite DL in the entire draft.

Jesus dude with holes that need filling you have taken players at positions that we don't need while leaving those holes. Those holes that cannot be filled this late in the draft.
Your draft sucks ass horribly. Thank GOD you do not actually do the drafting.

You don't draft to fill holes though.

While a player with good work ethic can correct the hands thing, lets go with that... so I'll instead take Stefon Diggs, he can probably be had in the same round.

6'0 195 with elite top end speed and the ability to make people miss... I simply do not want an undersized possession receiver, what a waste of a roster spot.

We on't need OL?
We don't need WR?
We don't need ILB?

I don't get the love for OL rd 1. I think you can still get a good player in rd 3. Idk maybe I just want a shiny impact player this year. We haven't had a sexy pick in a while.

Dorsey has drafted for need since when?

You're going to be a very angry person this draft, I predict

1 out of 5 picks isn't a need pick


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