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ToxSocks 03-26-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404561)

I'd like for one person to name why the Chiefs should sacrifice $5 million+ in cap space, other than "It's the right thing to do", which it really isn't.

Because they want to? Not everything has to be about business and football. These are humans with human relationships and human emotions.

Its ok for a team to, once every 50 years or so, put a player before business.

Iconic 03-26-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404561)
he's earned more than $50 million dollars in his career.

I think it's actually 40M, at least that's what I'm seeing on overthecap, but I agree with your point.

DJ's left nut 03-26-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404561)
And furthermore, I just have to say, why do you people even care? The man has health insurance and most likely has disability insurance, plus, he's earned more than $50 million dollars in his career. He's a charity case?

I'd like for one person to name why the Chiefs should sacrifice $5 million+ in cap space, other than "It's the right thing to do", which it really isn't.

SOCIOPATH!

You're walking covered ground here. Some people would prefer pat themselves on the back and claim moral superiority over simply looking at this logically.

Baby Lee 03-26-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11404552)
Not that it would happen, but the FO can claim the NFL is being hypocritical in doing the annual Pink fest for cancer but won't actually do anything for a player with cancer...

De'Angelo Williams says hi.

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 11404569)
as I mentioned earlier....
...because cancer

cancer strikes a special place in peoples' hearts that other diseases dont

Trust me, I get it. But Eric Berry is insured and is a wealthy man. He's not someone that's going to lose his home or be in the poor house.

ToxSocks 03-26-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11404593)
SOCIOPATH!

You're walking covered ground here. Some people would prefer pat themselves on the back and claim moral superiority over simply looking at this logically.

Nothing to do with that.

It's not my money, i'm not going to condemn a business for an act of good faith, and i don't think the extra cap space would amount to shit anyway.

I simply don't have a problem with it.

BossChief 03-26-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404557)
IMO, it would be dumb for the Chiefs to eat $5 million in valuable cap space as a PR move because it weakens the team. $5 million nearly covers the rookie draft pool and would definitely account for a starter.

There are other ways that the Clarks can take care of Berry without sacrificing cap room.

I said this earlier and got blasted for it.

Eric has made more than ANY SAFETY IN NFL HISTORY, is covered by insurance and is exactly the reason things like the NFI list is there for.

IMO the Chiefs have 2 legitimate options here:

1) extend his contract with a nice roster bonus in 2016 and a SB of the 5.5m he would earn this year. That's the legit PR bonanza move I prefer them to do.

2) place him on the NFI and pay him part of his salary.

...

Cutting him would send a bad message, but keeping his 5.5m base (after everything) would not only be irresponsible, it would HURT THE TEAMS CHANCES AT WINNING BIG GAMES IN 2015...as has been mentioned, 5.5m is a high quality starter that we would be going without because ...why, again?

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11404571)
i'll simply never have an issue with a billion dollar business taking care of someone, rather than treating them like a disposable piece of property, no matter how they want to do it.

To me, it's a non issue. Im not going to ridicule a front office for putting people before business once every blue moon.

But this doesn't even make any sense. By putting him on the NFI list, how are the Chiefs not "taking care of him"?

My wife's company billed over $12 billion in 2012. They didn't pay her salary when she was diagnosed with cancer.

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11404577)
Because they want to? Not everything has to be about business and football. These are humans with human relationships and human emotions.

Its ok for a team to, once every 50 years or so, put a player before business.

But again, this makes no sense to make the team LESS COMPETITIVE because Eric Berry has cancer.

Seriously Dude, this is some Johnny Cochran shit you're spewing.

BossChief 03-26-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11404571)
i'll simply never have an issue with a billion dollar business taking care of someone, rather than treating them like a disposable piece of property, no matter how they want to do it.

To me, it's a non issue. Im not going to ridicule a front office for putting people before business once every blue moon.

Would you be saying the same thing if this was about Alex Smith? Or is this mostly because of the emotional investment in this specific player?

I love Eric Berry as much as anyone, but this is a business and I'm sure Eric of all people understands that.

After all, he has made as much as he has at his age because ITS A BUSINESS.

ToxSocks 03-26-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404608)
But this doesn't even make any sense. By putting him on the NFI list, how are the Chiefs not "taking care of him"?

My wife's company billed over $12 billion in 2012. They didn't pay her salary when she was diagnosed with cancer.

They likely will put him on the NFI list. There's still a lot of time left. I highly doubt they pay him his full salary and have never assumed they have.

Yes, i understand most business's won't pay for an employee that can't work. So when one does, kudos to them.

As i said, i simply don't care what the Chiefs do with their money, it's not going to get them any closer to a championship regardless.

kysirsoze 03-26-2015 11:42 AM

I wouldn't be mad if they just pay him, but I can't understand how some in this thread think it's the only right way to go about this. Complete emotional overload. Berry is one of my favorite current Chiefs, but whatever the team needs to do in regards to the cap, I'm cool with. Eric will be fine. (financially and hopefully medically)

ToxSocks 03-26-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404610)
But again, this makes no sense to make the team LESS COMPETITIVE because Eric Berry has cancer.

Seriously Dude, this is some Johnny Cochran shit you're spewing.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404616)
Would you be saying the same thing if this was about Alex Smith? Or is this mostly because of the emotional investment in this specific player?

I love Eric Berry as much as anyone, but this is a business and I'm sure Eric of all people understands that.

After all, he has made as much as he has at his age because ITS A BUSINESS.

To some of you it's a business.

To me it's a form of entertainment.

I would say the same thing about any player, simply for the fact that i just dont care what billionaires do with their money.

If Clark Hunt wants to pay Berry because he feels it's the right thing to do, then so be it.

At the end of the day though, i believe berry's salary will be cut and he'll be on the NFI list.

BossChief 03-26-2015 11:53 AM

I wonder if there is anything against the rules if the Chiefs were to NFI him and pay him as a spokesperson for cancer awareness or something...

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11404623)
To some of you it's a business.

To me it's a form of entertainment.

I would say the same thing about any player, simply for the fact that i just dont care what billionaires do with their money.

If Clark Hunt wants to pay Berry because he feels it's the right thing to do, then so be it.

At the end of the day though, i believe berry's salary will be cut and he'll be on the NFI list.

Clark Hunt can compensate Berry in other ways, such as hiring him to do P.R. or in the front office or sign him to a personal services contract and so on.

I don't think that anyone is advocating that the Chiefs turn their back on Berry. But the fact is that he has a non-football illness and the Chiefs can most certainly use the $5 million in cap space. Also, I find it very unlikely that a player of Berry's status and contract doesn't have disability insurance, which would likely pay at least 80%, if not 100% of his salary.

The Franchise 03-26-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404646)
Clark Hunt can compensate Berry in other ways, such as hiring him to do P.R. or in the front office or sign him to a personal services contract and so on.

I don't think that anyone is advocating that the Chiefs turn their back on Berry. But the fact is that he has a non-football illness and the Chiefs can most certainly use the $5 million in cap space. Also, I find it very unlikely that a player of Berry's status and contract doesn't have disability insurance, which would likely pay at least 80%, if not 100% of his salary.

Plus, I'm sure the health insurance fully covers the cost of the cancer treatments. Shit....the Bengals kept Still on and it covered his daughter's treatments.

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404636)
I wonder if there is anything against the rules if the Chiefs were to NFI him and pay him as a spokesperson for cancer awareness or something...

I would think that they'd have to cut him from the roster, then hire him back in some capacity, that is, if he's willing and able to work.

Brock 03-26-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11404271)
A lot of bad things happen every day using the excuse "it's a business". It's a BILLION DOLLAR business that can afford to pay a guy that has given the team so much.

They've paid him, and paid him handsomely. I'm sure Berry would agree with that, and if the team is forced to move on without him, he would understand that too. I have no doubt the team will deal with him fairly. But as far as salary goes, you can't throw away a limited commodity and advancement opportunity in the form of wasted cap space out of sentimentality if it is doubtful the guy is coming back.

Baby Lee 03-26-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 11404620)
I can't understand how some

Is this ever elusive 'some' like the Yeti? Nessie?

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2015 12:44 PM

FWIW, the Texans put David Quessenberry on the NFI last season once it was discovered that he has non-Hodkins lymphoma and he was only a 6th round pick.

BossChief 03-26-2015 12:47 PM

The Chiefs put Berry on the list last year.

kysirsoze 03-26-2015 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11404723)
Is this ever elusive 'some' like the Yeti? Nessie?

You're right. No one in this thread is opposed to a Berry pay cut. None in other Berry threads either. Just pages of people agreeing. Sorry to instigate.

DJ's left nut 03-26-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11404617)
As i said, i simply don't care what the Chiefs do with their money, it's not going to get them any closer to a championship regardless.

How do you figure?

Free up $5 million in cap space and if nothing else it rolls into 2016 and can be used to extend Poe, retain Houston....all kinds of fun stuff.

Unless you're just a complete fatalist and believe that the Chiefs are just multiplying by zero there, it absolutely does get us closer to a championship.

Then again, the board has plenty of complete fatalists so maybe that's the problem.

O.city 03-26-2015 01:18 PM

Alex smith makes people complete fatalist. I like that word.

Baby Lee 03-26-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 11404777)
You're right. No one in this thread is opposed to a Berry pay cut. None in other Berry threads either. Just pages of people agreeing. Sorry to instigate.

You were differentiating between those who were OK with KC's decision [plenty], and those who were adamant he not lose a cent no matter what [not so much].

thabear04 04-08-2015 12:07 PM

More good news.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e17805371.html

Battling cancer, Chiefs safety Eric Berry ‘doing really good,’ brother says

It appears Eric Berry’s treatment for Hodgkin lymphoma continues to go well.

Berry’s younger brother Evan — a sophomore defensive back for the Tennessee Volunteers — told the media Tuesday in Knoxville that his older brother, a safety for the Chiefs, was doing well as he undergoes treatment.

“He’s doing really good,” Evan Berry told reporters. “I think he has three more treatments left. To be honest, I don’t really see it affecting him. He’s a very strong person, and he’s continued to keep strong.”

Evan Berry said he was originally worried about his other brother after he received the diagnosis late last season, but Eric remained confident he would beat it.

“It was scary,” Berry said. “But he wasn’t worried, so I wasn’t worried.”

Hodgkin lymphoma accounts for about 10 percent of lymphoma cases and is considered to be highly curable. Team chairman Clark Hunt and general manager John Dorsey visited Berry in Atlanta in January and receive regular updates on his status.

notorious 04-08-2015 12:10 PM

Bring him in for a look?

Hydrae 04-08-2015 12:10 PM

That is awesome news. Even though he has "stayed strong" I don't see any chance he will play this season. But maybe he will be back in '16.

I also like the comment about Hunt and Dorsey going to Atlanta. :thumb:

BossChief 04-08-2015 12:42 PM

Is considered highly curable, huh?

Only has 3 treatments left.

Maybe he can be back for the playoffs..?

Beef Supreme 04-08-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11425291)
Is considered highly curable, huh?

Only has 3 treatments left.

Maybe he can be back for the playoffs..?

Let's hope so. But the dude who played Spartacus had the same kind of cancer, had treatments and was ready to come back and start filming again when the cancer came back and ended up killing him.

Baby Lee 04-08-2015 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 11425295)
Let's hope so. But the dude who played Spartacus had the same kind of cancer, had treatments and was ready to come back and start filming again when the cancer came back and ended up killing him.

Pops had it in '75, and is puttering around his retirement compound as we speak.

milkman 04-08-2015 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 11425295)
Let's hope so. But the dude who played Spartacus had the same kind of cancer, had treatments and was ready to come back and start filming again when the cancer came back and ended up killing him.

Paul Newman?

There's a hell of a difference between an 83 year old and a 29 year old battling health issues.

The Franchise 04-08-2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11425400)
Paul Newman?

There's a hell of a difference between an 83 year old and a 29 year old battling health issues.

Nope. Andy Whitfield.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...35_306x468.jpg

huskerdooz 04-08-2015 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11425402)

Eric Berry's diagnosis is Hodgkin's Lymphoma.

Andy Whitfield was diagnosed w/ Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (NHL).

There can be quite a difference. NHL is any form of Lymphoma that is not Hodgkin's and ranges in severity from slow growing to very aggressive.

It sounds like that while Whitfield's initial diagnosis was Stage 1 NHL, his relapse was much more aggressive.

RealSNR 04-08-2015 05:12 PM

Cue Larry David "good Hodgkin's" scene

The Poz 06-14-2015 10:24 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> S Eric Berry has successfully defeated cancer!! <a href="http://t.co/KGBK1iwp8z">pic.twitter.com/KGBK1iwp8z</a></p>&mdash; NFL_Central (@Central_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/Central_NFL/status/610119404605571072">June 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Stargazer 06-14-2015 11:39 AM

Eric's a great guy and a tremendous leader on this team. Hope he's cancer free soon.

BossChief 07-31-2015 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11402639)
They should extend his contract with a 5.5m SB and a big roster bonus for 2016...otherwise that money should be used to further bolster the roster.

5.5m is a really good starter...or $ that should go to Houston.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11402668)
IMO it's irresponsible to have his 2015 salary hit the books 100% this year, we are trying to get over the hump. This is an extremely important year for this team and we need to be at absolute full strength.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11402710)
That's silly.

Eric has made more than any safety in the history of this league because he was drafted in the last year of the old CBA. I wouldn't cut Eric, but I would offer him an extension and if he balks I'd NFI him.

It's not like that's hanging the guy out to dry.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11402724)
Still can't read?

A shame

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404307)
The Eagles had a situation like this with a player while Abdy Reid was there and they NFId him and paid him half.

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11402651)
I don't care what they do to his contract as long as Eric Berry agrees to it ... but that idea seems like a pretty good idea, Boss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404603)
I said this earlier and got blasted for it.

Eric has made more than ANY SAFETY IN NFL HISTORY, is covered by insurance and is exactly the reason things like the NFI list is there for.

IMO the Chiefs have 2 legitimate options here:

1) extend his contract with a nice roster bonus in 2016 and a SB of the 5.5m he would earn this year. That's the legit PR bonanza move I prefer them to do.

2) place him on the NFI and pay him part of his salary.

...

Cutting him would send a bad message, but keeping his 5.5m base (after everything) would not only be irresponsible, it would HURT THE TEAMS CHANCES AT WINNING BIG GAMES IN 2015...as has been mentioned, 5.5m is a high quality starter that we would be going without because ...why, again?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404616)
Would you be saying the same thing if this was about Alex Smith? Or is this mostly because of the emotional investment in this specific player?

I love Eric Berry as much as anyone, but this is a business and I'm sure Eric of all people understands that.

After all, he has made as much as he has at his age because ITS A BUSINESS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404636)
I wonder if there is anything against the rules if the Chiefs were to NFI him and pay him as a spokesperson for cancer awareness or something...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11404762)
The Chiefs put Berry on the list last year.

Again, kiss my ass Hootie.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:18 AM

Here it is

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11402651)
I don't care what they do to his contract as long as Eric Berry agrees to it ... but that idea seems like a pretty good idea, Boss.

LMAO

**** you, Hootie

BossChief 07-31-2015 10:23 AM

Stupid loudmouth kids these days.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11404646)
Clark Hunt can compensate Berry in other ways, such as hiring him to do P.R. or in the front office or sign him to a personal services contract and so on.

I don't think that anyone is advocating that the Chiefs turn their back on Berry. But the fact is that he has a non-football illness and the Chiefs can most certainly use the $5 million in cap space. Also, I find it very unlikely that a player of Berry's status and contract doesn't have disability insurance, which would likely pay at least 80%, if not 100% of his salary.

Gee, I guess this is the post that Pizza Boy referred when he stated that I wanted to cut Eric Berry.

:rolleyes:

Pizza Boy gon' be Pizza Boy

RealSNR 07-31-2015 02:10 PM

Hootie looks like a jackass right now.

-King- 07-31-2015 02:16 PM

Hootie NEVER forgets
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SAUTO 07-31-2015 06:48 PM

Don't forget you promised to rep whoever found the thread. Boss you get it


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