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New Chiefs CB Steven Nelson was one of two CBs in this class to not miss a single tackle in 2014
Wow-great stat! Maybe he can teach Parker how to tackle. |
I'm a sunshine pumper but I just can't see the point in this pick.
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Seems very redundant to me, thought Peters would be plenty good enough to bolster the corner corp... still no ILB, still no second receiver... I'm just gonna roll with it, nothing I can do about it but hope the kid is good.
Gotta love that tackling stat, don't gotta love that somewhat average speed for a corner at 4.49. |
Oh yeah. I forgot that we added Branch. I guess we don't need to move someone to safety
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I have been watching him on draftbreakdown and I've gotta say his style of play really reminds me of Brandon Flowers.
He's not scared of anybody. If you get a chance go watch him play against Jaelen Strong. He owned him and was in his face all day. I think our two 3rd rd picks can be just as good as our two 3rd rd picks in 2013. Conley and Nelson are the best overall picks in the draft bc we got so much value. Look at who teams took. Would you rather have Steven Nelson or that 5'8" midget that PIT drafted in rd 2 from Ole Miss? Would you rather have Conley or Devin "20 drops in 3 years" Funchess? Both these picks appear to have provided incredible value. |
Mighty mouse!
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If we can mix in some coverage sacks into our defensive repertoire then we will be much more effective against the elite QB's. I want Manning to get hit so badly. :grr: Poe goes low Hali goes for the arm Houston goes high Manning cries out in pain as his arm gets ripped out of it's socket. PBJ PBJ |
Lets also add this player CB De'Vante Bausby UDFA will be in camp. Here is some highlight tape and interview. I think the kid played in KC area high school anyone know about DeVante Bausby.
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We'll see. If he's a 4-year quasi-starter for us by locking up the Nickel role, then it's a good pick. My concern is that Sutton's defenses have largely struggled when trying to put a 'slot' corner at NCB. It looks to me like Sutton's scheme simply requires that you have 3 guys with the skills to play out wide playing CB, NCB included. I don't see those skills in Nelson. His lack of speed and size will leave him exposed at times. I know conventional wisdom says you can hide that in the slot but NFL O-Coordinators make a living kicking the shit out of conventional wisdom. If they find a weakness, they'll exploit it. Ramik Wilson was my least favorite pick of the draft, this is second. We appear to have traded the upside and athleticism of a guy like Josh Shaw for the higher floor and aggressiveness of Nelson. I understand the philosophy, it's just not the approach I'd have taken. |
I would have liked to have Funchess
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I usually agree with your takes, but I think you're off on Nelson. He most certainly has the size and speed to play outside. He's faster than Peters and only a couple inches shorter. He's also physical and plays bigger than he is. I think Nelson is the perfect nickel for our scheme. |
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If you're playing a Cover-2 or similar zone scheme, you should probably be just fine with Nelson wide. However, let's not forget that Flowers was a mediocre nickel on this team when we switched to Sutton's press-man scheme. Don't just try to attach a 'name' former player to another prospect without considering how that player would fit in what we do now. You should be especially careful about doing so when said former player actually played in this system and didn't do it terribly well. |
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I don't know how Nelson will fit everywhere, but I do know how Flowers fit here and in the press scheme, it wasn't great. Moreover, trying to compare Flowers to Nelson isn't fair either as Flowers was quite a bit more fluid than what I see from Nelson. My point being that even if you can make a Flowers comparison - though I believe it's a reach - Flowers still wasn't terribly good in this system precisely due to the lack of speed and size. Owens wasn't very good. Robinson wasn't very good. Undersized corners without great closing speed can work in some systems but they don't appear to work worth a damn in this one. Obviously Nelson could prove me wrong, I'm just going by what corners have succeeded/failed in this system and what I see in the guy. |
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I like that Nelson has good feet for the position. His 3 cone and 40 are solid for nickel CB's.
I think he will be the 5th CB to start the year much like Gaines was pushed down the depth chart last season. Get him some experience and ease him in. Really think that Peters, Smith and Gaines are our top 3 with Fleming as a backup. We desperately needed depth after Gaines/Fleming's injury problems and Cooper not panning out. They knew they couldn't rely on Parker anymore. He's just not that good there. I do feel really good about the CB position and hope we add another one next season, as well as WR's. The game really is moving to the outsides and you definitely need a myriad of good players there. Look at who we are playing this season. GB and DEN have plenty of good WR's and PIT/IND added more to their elite units. We needed to prepare for that. |
So who stays in the secondary? We carried what....5 CBs and 4 safeties last year?
Cooper is probably the odd man out unless he magically shows something in TC and preseason. Who's out at safety? They've got Parker, Branch, Abdullah, McCray and Commings. I would assume that McCray is out if Commings stays healthy. |
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I still believer that a lot of Nelson's apparent limitations in college are because of the shitty coaching DBs got at OS. Nelson played very well at the Senior Bowl when he got real coaching and got to work on his technique. It remains to be seen if he can continue to improve but I believe he will. I will admit to being a bit of a homer on this pick. ;) |
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Parker, Branch, Abdullah I'd say those are 8 locks on 9 positions. Commings could stay healthy and still lose his job, IMO. I listened to an interview with Reid where he named about 12 DBs including a couple guys I'd never heard of but never mentioned Commings. I think he's out of sight, out of mind at this point. Unless he flat out takes a job, I don't think he wins any ties at anymore. Cooper's best bet to survive may be trying to make that same swing CB/Safety conversion that Parker made. I'd say he has the physical tools to do it. If Parker goes down, it's not as though Abdullah or Branch could really play a single-high so why not have Cooper as your 4th safety? I think he could actually do a credible job back there if he got comfortable in the role. EDIT: Looks like Frosty beat me to it. |
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Depth chart is gonna be Smith and Peters as the starters and Gaines as the nickel guy with Nelson and Fleming backing them up. Cooper is gone.
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I would think about keeping cooper as the extra db/safety as well as a special teamer.
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Real nice to see the team find a couple quality CB's in the draft instead of sifting through trash cans. Smith, Peters, Nelson and Gaines are the foundation of a group that can take on any group of receivers in the division.
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If there’s any upside whatsoever to losing in the AFCC in the 2018 season, it prevented Steven Nelson from getting a ring.
So that’s pretty great |
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Yeah, he ended up having a really good career.
He pissed me off a ton and he’s clearly a butthurt little bitch who can’t handle criticism from fans, though. |
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But the same chip on his shoulder that made him a good player (because he wasn't incredibly skilled) also made him pretty damn easy to dislike. Ask him if he gives a shit, though. $33 million in career earnings and an NFL pension in exchange for a few fanbases being irritated with him? Yeah - that's a trade you make every time... |
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I’d take abuse from Philly’s worst for that all ****ing day. |
Meanwhile, we've got at least 2 CBs on the roster that are better than he ever was. Would be at least 3 had we not let Sneed leave.
He has the ball awareness of Helen Keller. |
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Surprised he lasted that long he wasn't very good
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