I was actually coming in here to bash Smith, but I instead found an interesting stat...

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...atistics/2014/

He still sucks, just not for the reasons I though.

Peyton Manning.

We scored lots of points against the Colts in the playoff game.

Unfortunately, it didn't mean sh*t. As sh*t as our _efense was that game, we were better off maintaining possession of the ball, controlling the game by grinding out the clock. You do NOT give the ball back to a QB that scores 4 TDs in 6 minutes.

This stat is a ****ing lie. I don't care about it.

If you're not scoring enough, you're not scoring enough, period, and the # of drives doesn't enter into it.

http://images.rapgenius.com/enbglrqs...500x300x77.gif

We need Uncle Rico..he throws deeper than Smith

Going 3 and out doesn't exactly help the defense. But hey, at least we didn't turn it over.

"hidden touchdowns" - wow, a complete new level of dumbassery ROFL - congrats on whoever thought that up

They're so hidden nobody will ever find them. It's like they don't exist.

"Alex Smith makes your punter better"

DQ gets more practice this way.

That's true too.

And it makes me feel blue.

Poooo poooo poooo

"True fan loves Hidden points"

Signed, Clark
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A huge sign that says "Home of the HiddenTouchdown" needs to be erected over Arrowhead.

What I think is hilarious, is the very first point the writer made to support his argument is one that isn't even remotely true. He tried to argue that the 2012 49ers were a perfect example of this, as their D gave up more points when Kaepernick started than Smith did.

I looked up the stats. Smith threw 5 interceptions in the first 8 games. Kaepernick threw 3. LMFAO.

This article and point of view is a joke....especially when you have a top tier defense (which we do).

Kaerpernick's time also featured a tougher schedule against better offenses, including the playoffs. But that's irrelevant!

Hidden points!

If you're going to give hidden points, you should also take away hidden points, which are the byproduct of inaccuracy, poor decision making, overly cautious play, et al.

Also, what's better:

3 TDs, 3 INTs
or
0 TDs, 0INTs

Answer: 3TDs, 3INTs. An INT isn't -7 points in reality. A touchdown is +7 or 8 points, in reality.

You should check out my invisible private jet and three translucent Victoria Secret girl friends. I'd post a pic but, well, ya know.

Yes, a happy medium is ideal.

Given the choice though, I'd rather have a guy who leans a little more gunslinger.

This guy is reaching for the stars, I try to lean positive in most situations but this is too much.

Smith is a steady, reliable vet who's played in some big games on some good teams... he will rarely kill your chances for a win with a terrible mistake, and he will also rarely win a game for you with gunslinging heroics.

At his very, very best he's a fringe top 10 player... we could definitely do worse, and most teams do.

But there are no magical secret squirrel points outside of touchdowns.

Its AP, people here like to sling "true fan" at people like me and others LMAO... you should see the poll they have about "who can the Chiefs least afford to lose?".

Charles
Smith
Houston
Other

Charles won, which sure, thats fine and I get it but voted differently... but a way too close second was Smith followed in a distant third by Houston.

This year, next year, the year after that... the guy we HAVE to keep is Houston, he's just that good.

How in the wide world could points per drive not be relevant to how efficient your offense is?

Because it's a sneak thief way of measuring offensive efficiency by Alex Smith homers who are deceitful, lying skanks.

When you suck at offense long drives that don't score many points isn't a good thing.

No shit Sherlock. What does long drives that don't score points have to do with avg points scored per drive except to make it worse? Which doesn't fit your narrative.

That's why our points per drive is high, but our actual points are low.

We don't have a lot of drives because they're all such long-ass drawn out field goaly affairs.

It's a bullshit stat.

The Chiefs need to score more points.

Scoring pts, moving the football, and owning the TOP help a defense...

If you have more drives like other teams but don't score any more points per avg drive you will need a ton more drives to make up for the difference.

You are still better off scoring more per drive.

No, they aren't. We can win games with long-ass drawn out drives. In those grinding games, we've won a lot of them. The problem is when Alex Smith struggles to extend drives. For a guy who gets so much credit for being a game manager, he has way too many games where the defense bails him out and then it's passed off as game management.

Alex loses in the same two scenarios

1) When a gunslinger gets the green light to just keep throwing it. No matter if the guy throws 3 picks, he's getting the ball back and if he can score 4 touchdowns in 2 minutes, Alex Smith isn't beating him. Whenever Alex gets in a gunslinger duel with a QB, we rely way to much on the defense to bail him out, and if the other team has our defenses number that week, Alex has NO chance. I can actually only think of 1 gunslinger game Alex has won himself and that was against Drew Brees when he was with the 49ers. When the Lucks, Big Bens, Flaccos of the world turn it on with their big arms, Alex usually gets smoked.

2) When a really shitty team plays Alex Smith football against Alex Smith. A crappy game manager QB with a run game and the score is 13-7 and our defense plays a good game, and all we need is Alex to get us 1 more score and he can't. He usually loses these. His play style is his own kryptonite against him. Evidence of that are last years slopfests against the Titans, Raiders and Cardinals. When you need him to get you 7 against a shit team that's controlling clock he can't do it because both teams are putting on long, slow, sloppy dink and dunk drives and he doesn't have many chances.

This is why he beats a lot of good teams that are fast paced; Chargers, Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, etc. They put on drives with the pass/no huddle but they aren't long throws, so the clock stops if your defense generates an incomplete. Thus Alex gets the ball back so he can put on his long drive and it can balance out to a medium gameflow. But he can't hang with big armed QBs that can turn into fire at any point in the game and score in 30 seconds, and he can't beat shitty teams that take too long running the ball.

His pace is right in the middle, where the game flows nearly perfectly.

Yes they are. We were near the top of the league in time of possession.

But average in points and bottom third in yards.

Slow-ass crawly field-goaly affairs.

BUT BUT POINTS PER DRIVE HERP DERP

****ing idiots.

We were near the top of the league in TOP?

That's pretty amazing considering that in our 7 losses, 5 of those we lost the TOP game.

Yes, when we lose TOP we lose the game because we have zero quick strike ability on offense.

Yes and no. The reason why the game management approach works is it keeps good QBs off the field and messes with their rhythm.

Using the word "smoked" is wrong. Alex Smith almost never gets smoked. The team usually hangs within a touchdown. As I've said before, this approach would work fine if Alex Smith knew how to close games. He doesn't. We rarely get blown out. We have lost way too many games in the final minutes on a drive where Alex Smith could have gone for the tie or the lead.

How often does any team win when losing TOP?

I don't get your logic.

We lose TOP because there are games where Alex Smith can't get first downs. Quick strike scoring isn't going to help your TOP.

Right. But we'd win if we had quick strike scoring, because it would make TOP irrelevant.

Only way we can win is TOP and grind it out.

Martyball baby!

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

Defense and other players on offense played no roll n this scenario.

That is an absolute load of crap and I've debunked this many times.

I'm critical as hell of Alex Smith. But Alex played an unbelievable game. If you actually look at Smith's drive charts in the second half, it isn't nearly as bad as Chiefs fans want to claim. The playcalling was atrocious, the defense was giving up scores in record time, and Bowe dropped a critical third down catch leading to a 3 and out. Even on the last throw, Smith made a good enough throw to set up a game-winning FG. Lots of games to criticize Smith for. This one aien't it.

"I'm Alex Smith, and I hate long, sustained drives that result in touchdowns".

"Also, I will make your penis shrivel".

"Thanks".

You mean like Jay Cutler?

No thanks.

People need to face up to the reality that Andy decided to model this team after the old Ravens. Great defense, good running game and a game managing QB approach.

I'm a little confused. KC was 16th in points, and 13th in points per drive. It makes it look a little better, but you're acting like they're at the top of the league in a made-up stat.

No, he didn't.

John Dorsey took the parts that were already in place and has been been building around them, while also getting Reid the QB he wanted and trying to build around him and Charles.

This team is looking more like the late 90s, early 2000s Eagles.

Alex put up 40+ points with no Jamaal and also lost Knile Davis and Donnie Avery shortly after. The defense already had a hobbled set of pass rushers and lost their best corner to injury early in the 3rd quarter (when Luck went crazy) On top of that, they had that miracle bounce where Luck fumbled and the ball bounced right back to him and he scored with it.

To blame that loss on Alex Smith is just flat out disregarding facts.

Could have sworn the chart said 10th or something.

Anyway, liars.

The chart is sorted by offensive/defensive differential, and KC is 7th. That would be giving Alex credit for the defense, which I guess is what this thread is about?

Sorting by offensive points per drive, KC is 13th.

We can talk about all of his miserable moments, of which there are many... but the stone cold fact is that Smith balled the **** out in that game and no amount of revisionist history can change it.

You're off base here.

He balled out for a half.

Dogshit.

That team was paper thin all year and...

The pass rush was extremely hobbled + Kendrick Lewis was still starting.

He lost damn near every offensive skill player that mattered by that second half and STILL managed 10 second half points on the road... you can say whatever else about him you want to, but that performance was full of guts and balls.

44 points should be enough to win any playoff game.

Everybody takes a share of the blame, but I don't think Alex's share should be anywhere near as big as other factors...

Kendrick Lewis having a target on his head all game

Losing Flowers, Avery, Jamaal and Davis to injury in the game

Luck having that stripped ball bounce right back into his hands and scoring with it.

The RB pulling up on the wheel route

Bowe not fully extending on the final pass because he thought he might break his foot if he did (actually said this in an interview)


I guess I can't fault Alex that much for not scoring more than 44 points when he lost 3 of his best offensive players to injury...but I fault him for not being efficient while throwing the ball away up 28 pts, snapping the ball with time left on the play clock, running out of bounds on a scramble, throwing it short of the sticks and towards the sideline when we need to roll the clock....lot of stuff a grizzled vet should be better than.

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the conventional way that quarterbacks lose games. That is why his fans have such a hard time dealing with people who dislike his game.

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the way Jay Cutler loses games (throwing 3 interceptions, one being a pick 6). Alex Smith loses games by not taking advantage of the chances he is given, thus missing out on gamechanging opportunities. Its very difficult to quantify how Alex loses games, which is why some people refuse to believe he is as big of a problem as he is.

That one 49er fan who joined the site when Alex was traded to us warned us that he would divide our fan base. That is exactly what he has done. Good posters like On the Warpath are choosing not to be a part of this site anymore largely because of how divided we have become. I dont have the longterm relationships that a lot of people have here, but its sad.

Great post!

Alex played great. But he shares some of the blame for the loss. (Just like Andy Reid, the defense, etc).

He doesn't share some of the blame. He shares a really, really, really small % of the blame. So small that it's not even worth mentioning his name. A perfect QB performance is completely unreasonable, especially when you have to carry that kind of a team.

While I agree with you, I think it's somewhere in between. Dorsey's drafts/taste in prospects is a lot like Newsome's. The second we took Peters I thought to myself "wow this is the type of pick Ozzy makes" then the day after reports come out that the Ravens were targeting Peters. Our defense is very similar to those great Ravens defenses.

It's a pretty one-sided view. No one side is better/worse than the other. There are homers and then there are those who are unreasonably critical.

Overall, I agree and don't with your first point. Alex Smith loses games because he can't close. Now you might say... if he sucks at closing, maybe he shouldn't be managing games. Point taken. But I think Smith's approach would work fine if he was a closer.

Yes, this is dogshit.

The only reason we scored a TD at all in the second half was the defense setting up a short field.

http://i.imgur.com/KPHergu.jpg

You give Luck a chance to get back in the game and he will. Alex turned back into a pumpkin and proved he's not the guy that day.

He left a total over 7 minutes on the play clock in the second half.

Link?

There is no link.

I did the math on my own a couple of months ago.

Posted it here.

When it was 38 10, we shouldn't have thrown another pasd.

That would have been even worse

Why?

Shit we could have ran the play clock to 1, ran the ball, and probably drained it

I don't remember anything about clock management.

It still doesn't matter to me. You've got a guy who played at a hall of fame level save for a few mistakes, maybe including clock management. And in this case, I can't blame him for closing because he threw a good enough pass to set up a game winning field goal. So in the grand scheme of things, it's seems petty for people to even bring this game up as one of Smith's shortcomings. This is one of the few games in his career at KC that I thought we actually have a QB who can win some playoff games for us.

Knile Davis was getting stonewalled the second half. Cyrus Gray was embarrassingly bad. We would had a ton of 3 and outs. Not good when the other team is scoring touchdowns in record time.

If anything, I was furious that Andy Reid went in a shell in the second half, not the other way around. He went away from everything that was working.

We could ha e ran it 3 times, punted and burned enough time off to keep them from scoring enough points.

Yardage, points, first downs, etc didn't matter. It was time.

DON'T ****ING RELIVE THAT SHIT.


PLEASE!

I really don't understand the logic. A 3 and out burns 2:00 off the clock. The Chiefs averaged well over 2:00 per drive in TOP in the 3rd quarter. And in the process, got a few extra first downs which helped pin the Colts for worse field position. Yeah, you avoid the Alex Smith fumble but apart from that, I don't get the logic behind going into a shell behind a horrendous run offense.

If you don't remember anything about clock management then you were too stupid to notice.

When we traded for Smith, one of the things that his followers constantly poited out was his game smarts.

Not burning clock is not smart, and had he done so, there would not have been enough time for the Colts to score enough points tot come all the way back.

So, no, it's not petty.

That was a huge factor in allowing that comeback.

I don't get the 7 minutes of time wasted. I just looked at this and that's not right.

http://i.imgur.com/kelRyz8l.gif

http://i.imgur.com/bxvti6D.gif

What does the defender knocking the ball out of Bowe's hands have to do with this?

The Chiefs had 2 running plays inbounds before that and people blame that on Alex.

Unreal.

Bowe is the most overrated player this franchise has EVER had. E-V-E-R.

Smith shouldn't have snapped a ball in the 2nd half with more than 2 seconds on the play clock, if it's a live time play.

Like I said, I did the math and posted in a thread here a couple of months ago.

I checked and rechecked.

LMAO

Oh, well I take everything back... he actually led us to 13, not 10 second half points.

Weeell lahdi frickin dah, if you give Joe ****ing Montana the ball at home against a defense that had mostly been defanged, HE just might win the day as well :drool:

You're giving credit to Alex for things the defense did, though.

The defense gifted us with 10 of those points.

This is why debating with you homers is frustrating. You want to assign far too much credit to the QB for team success.

Defense escaped from a blown block and threw the TD.

http://i.imgur.com/TFEoi0s.gif

I've still yet to see solid proof that the back "pulled up" on the missed wheel route..

Dude, the defense set up a three-play drive for a TD.

I mean nice play by Alex and all, but, come on.

Come the **** on.

Ok, I agree that he doesn't have in-game smarts. I've ragged on him a lot about that. It's still petty because you have to put those mistakes in context with the successes. And the blame here should be shared with Reid who could have easily put a stop to that shit. Smith still played a plus game and a plus second half. On the list of players to blame for the loss, he is probably one of the bottom of the list, which is rare to say for a QB.

I completely get what you're saying. If I was just talking to you, I'd agree. But there are people using things like that as an excuse to dig on Smith.

Can we trade Claynus for OTWP and get him to leave?