Probably time for KC to give up the 3-4 too...

If we draft a 1st round QB next year, I have to wonder if it wouldn't be better to just have a fire sale right now. By the time that QB can develop into a good QB (if he ever does) most of our core guys now will be pushing 30 years old. That being said though that's very risky for a GM to do.

What do you do with Houston? Put his hand in the dirt? SLB?

I think you stick with the 3-4. You re-sign Howard and put him at NT. Poe is moved to DE opposite Bailey. Ford and Houston are your OLBs. Wilson is one ILB and hopefully they found a gem in March.

For ****'s sake. You can't be this stupid.

The Chiefs have MANY problems to fix.

Close to the top of that list in terms of priority is the QB.

QB has to get fixed REGARDLESS of how many other ****ing problems there are.

I just think the 3-4 is too hard to staff with any sort of depth. There's only one OLB capable of rushing the passer in Houston when you need three. None of the ILBs are worth a snot either.

KC's 4th Quarter Offense.


Kansas City Chiefs at 13:04
1-10-KC 26
(13:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short left to 35-C.West to KC 31 for 5 yards (49-S.Acho).

2-5-KC 31
(12:26) 11-A.Smith sacked at KC 30 for -1 yards (99-L.Houston).

3-6-KC 30
(11:41) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 87-T.Kelce (59-C.Jones).

4-6-KC 30
(11:36) 2-D.Colquitt punts 45 yards to CHI 25, Center-41-J.Winchester. 80-M.Mariani to CHI 38 for 13 yards (30-J.Fleming).



Kansas City Chiefs at 09:25
1-10-KC 44
(9:25) (Shotgun) 34-K.Davis up the middle to KC 48 for 4 yards (90-J.Ratliff).

2-6-KC 48
(8:45) 34-K.Davis left tackle to KC 46 for -2 yards (52-L.Reynolds).

3-8-KC 46
(8:04) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 13-D.Thomas.

4-8-KC 46
(7:58) 2-D.Colquitt punts 42 yards to CHI 12, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani.


Kansas City Chiefs at 03:05
9-R.Gould kicks 65 yards from CHI 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-KC 20
(3:05) 35-C.West right guard to KC 22 for 2 yards (59-C.Jones).

Timeout #2 by CHI at 03:01.
2-8-KC 22
(3:01) 35-C.West left guard to KC 24 for 2 yards (49-S.Acho).

Timeout #1 by KC at 02:15.
3-6-KC 24
(2:15) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin (21-T.Porter).

4-6-KC 24
(2:11) 2-D.Colquitt punts 43 yards to CHI 33, Center-41-J.Winchester, fair catch by 80-M.Mariani.


Kansas City Chiefs at 00:18
9-R.Gould kicks 70 yards from CHI 35 to KC -5. 13-D.Thomas ran ob at KC 14 for 19 yards. PENALTY on CHI-52-L.Reynolds, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at KC 14.
1-10-KC 29
(:11) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass deep middle to 19-J.Maclin to CHI 48 for 23 yards (21-T.Porter).

Timeout #2 by KC at 00:06.
1-10-CHI 48
(:06) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 19-J.Maclin ran ob at CHI 39 for 9 yards. The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass incomplete short right to 19-J.Maclin.

Timeout #3 by CHI at 00:02.
2-10-CHI 48
(:02) 5-C.Santos 66 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-41-J.Winchester, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.

You're severely misreading your supposed allies.

There's a shitload of difference between 'a lot of things need to be fixed, and the QB is one of them' and 'nothing else matters if Alex is QB'

I agree - even with point # 3 to a point. Or rather I agreed with point # 3 more last season. However, its clear that Smith has regressed in the situation he's in now and can't be fixed. So, he now becomes a major problem (maybe not the biggest one) - perhaps the easiest major one to resolve, and it needs to be done before moving forward. Hope the "brain trust" has learned something and drafts a young QB EARLY, assembles a real NFL OL, and goes in a different defensive direction this off season.

Are you also concerned with Dix?

The sad, sad truth.

Funny how this went from a Reid thread to a Smith thread...

Anything to deflect the pressure off of Reid...

Agreed. That or free agency to find a quality ILB. The only way we are competitors next season is if we fire Sutton, retain Sean Smith, develop Nelson/Peters this season, and figure out what gaps we have going into the draft.

So say that the Chiefs lose to the Vikings (which is pretty much a given) and then lose to the Steelers putting us at 1-6. If the Chiefs lose to the Lions in London.....should Reid be fired after that game?

No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the same place we were last year. 9-7 and clearly outmatched against elite teams like Denver. He is part of the problem because he's not part of the solution. You're not going to change Alex Smith. I'd rather get rid of both, but if I had my choice, without a doubt I know Andy Reid can build a more explosive offense without Smith because he's done out several times before.

It's becoming clear that with Alex Smith, yiu have to build an elite running game and elite defense to win games. Now he needs an ol too. And receivers. If your QB is that dependent on other teams success, he's not the QB to build around. I'm not one to overreact on qbs. I've given Smith plenty of rope, as I did with cassel. But sooner or later you have to realize he's causing a lot of problems his fans claim he's being victim to.

Absolutely, but Clark won't.

If we lose to the Lions....it's clear that we're the worst team in the league.

That game could be for all the marbles.

It's pretty hilarious that our trip to London could be a contest to see who can suck the most.

BTW: This year is not "An Abyss." The year Belcher killed his wife and himself, that was an abyss.

Let me get this straight...you think Quarterbacks can win a ring by themselves? Rodgers won his SB title alongside a top 5 defense. Wilson did it with the #1 defense. Roethisberger did it twice with a top D. Flacco did it with an amazing defense and Rice/Pierce who averaged >4.5 YPC. Tom Brady won his first 3 superbowls with game manager level stats behind a solid defense.

Alex Smith is not the exception. Every successful team needs a good defense, a decent run game, and a smart QB. Why else would teams be paying 70 million a year for their defense personnel? You disregarding the importance of having a good defense on this board is absurd.

It would be awesome if they could get Keith Jackson to call the game. "And this one is for all the marbles!"

ROFL

homer.

Give it time. We still got a lot of season left.

Biggest Problems:
1. Reid.
2. Smith.
3. Loss of Charles.
4. Dee Ford.
5. Secondary that can't cover.
6. OL
7. WR's 2-5.
8. Injury/old age/disease to DJ, Berry, Poe.

But the fans have

That is a understatement.

Done.

Your list is missing the biggest problem, which apathy.

We all saw it in the second half of the Texans game, the second half of the Broncos game and the entirety of the Green Bay & Cincy games.

The players just don't look like they care. They have the look of a beaten team before they hit the field.

It's 2012 all over again.

How could this have happened? These guys seemed pumped about the season 6 weeks ago.
Several players saying "super bowl" over and over again

Suck fest for breakfast.

It seems to me that the turning point was the Denver game. That loss and the 5 turnovers killed anything they had. Reid seems to have lost the team from that point forward.

Go easy on Zilla. He just types shit without thinking. Its his way...:shrug:

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No. Rock bottom comes when you're winless, everyone is fired, and one of your players shoots himself in the head in the parking lot after murdering his girlfriend. We've seen rock bottom before. This isn't that.

This is just a shitty football team with a coaching staff that doesn't know how to right the ship.

Siding with Tiger uppercut. Nice.

You still think adding OL talent somehow fixes this team. Good luck with that.

Bull ****ing shit. Your ****ing ilk of posters on this board cry foul when Smith is compared to the likes of Rodgers and Brady because they are Hall of Fame QBs.

**** you.

Also, it was never about KC having a good defense and a decent running game for Smith. That ****ing loser needed an ELITE defense and an ELITE running game to succeed and he STILL couldn't get the job done and would likely never have won a playoff game had he not had the fortune to go up against a team coached by a painkiller addict that had absolutely no defense.

Get ****ed you worthless ****.

Why wouldn't this make you happy?

We're well on our way to getting another case of losers shipped out on the first train to the football garbage dump. Progress!

It's what I've wanted since Alex was traded for.

We're 12-17 over the last 29 games...you think I should have been happy during that span?

Partially. Who doesn't love being right?

The real cause for celebration is finally seeing light at the end of this tunnel of shit-smelling checkdowns, though. Hope is a wonderful thing.

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You are saying "decent." Alex Smith needs his supporting cast to be elite. Because he literally cannot win games for you.

Russell Wilson and Eli are excellent on third downs and in the fourth quarter. They can complement a good defense and running game. Alex Smith, on the other hand, has converted 30% on third downs and has less than a handful of games he's closed.

When Aaron Rodgers and Peyton had beat up ols, know what they did? They pull hard counts. They created a quick throw strategy. Two years ago, Peyton faced us with half his ol out. He neutralized our defense by getting rid of the ball insanely fast.

Alex Smith doesn't manage games well because he doesn't convert third downs. He doesn't close games. He doesn't step up when the defense steps down... Ever. He doesn't outsmart defenses. He's there to run plays, not make mistakes, and hope the defense and run game are both outstanding. None of the qbs you listed above are that uninvolved in winning games as Alex is.

Wtf makes you think that things will change? Sure I want it to change, but look at Lamar Hunts time in KC....

Now look at Clark Hunts work since taking over. It's the same damn thing over and over again.

It appears to be ownership that doesn't want to do the things necessary to win.

I really do think that Clark doesn't want a first Rd QB. Idk why he doesn't but look at the history.
I'm just sayin'. Don't get your hopes up.

Unfortunately, that light is still over 2 years away.

Star Trek 5 bad.

If we play like we did Sunday.....then we won't win more than 2-3 games this season.

We'll draft an offensive lineman and be sold that Aaron Murray is the future after Chase leaves. Smith will play next year and we'll somehow pull 8-8 out of our ass. People will clamor that Smith deserves a new contract and more weapons around him.

Berry has been great, not sure why he's suggested as being a problem.

The problem, is at qb. The entire team knows they're losing if the don't play a flawless game because of it.

Berry has gotten better week after week.

If the next QB of this team isn't a highly drafted QB then why even watch?

If Clark serves us the same garbage plan we saw for years on end then he will absolutely achieve full blown apathy.

And the same people are arguing the same things they did 4 years ago in terms of qb and ol, defense etc.

holy shit......we're still 2 ****ing light years away from change?

god damnit!!!!

:cuss:

Empirical evidence is empirical...and really sad that this fan base is so damned predictable.

Smith has regressed to the point where he's not even a serviceable player. There's no damn way he's here next year, contract be damned.

My son asked if he could get a Packers hat Sunday. I'm gonna go ahead and get myself one also. Minsky's in Liberty has a nice little Packers following, and I think I'll blow off Chiefs tix next year and spend the money on two trips to GB for Pack games.

I feel so.....refreshing.

Sadly, if I'm not mistaken, his contract is fully guaranteed next year. I think that was triggered in may.

Alex would have scored about 10 points at Arrowhead behind Peyton's OL.

They can make him a June 1st cut and get $1 million in cap space.

Flush it now.

No you don't...

I know right, what a dumb article

According to OTC, an outright cut of Smith in 2016 reduces the cap from $36MM to $29MM versus the $37MM of designating him a June 1 cut.

However, the outright cut of Smith in '16 means KC has $70MM of cap in '17 versus $63MM if he's a June 1 release....

Clark needs to get Jerry drunk, tell him KC will eat a good portion of the contract and send him to Dallas.

With a better QB right now we are 3-2 and no one cares about any of this bullshit.

Not top 5. Not top 10. Just better. Average. A guy who can throw more than one ****in' TD pass every 18 quarters. Or hit the open man on a ****in' 5 yard slant with the game on the line.

****ing Christ.

You know what else is dumb? A portion of your sig.

Jeremy Maclin is a loser ****? :spock:

But it will only get brighter from the days going forth. Especially this April.

Kyle Orton circa 2009-2011.

See, this is why I don't have kids and don't think I would be a good parent.

If my kid would ask me that I'd start into a 5 minute barrage beginning with "Listen you little **** face, I was born 23 days after SB IV and I've had to live with this ****ing team all of my God dammed life..." And end it with "You'll get nothing and like it!"

Here's to you, positive roll model parental dude 👏

They're my team. I'll always watch. I love clowns.

Since Bray was extended through 2017 he might get a chance too.

We beat the Packers. With Kyle Orton. ROFL

Best QB we've had since Green. :shake:

Almost any other job someone would have been fired.

I don't post here often. I'm usually content to simply read the posts of others, both inane and sublime. I'm in my late 40's and have been a fan of this team going back to Steve Fuller, Bill Kenney, Blackledge taking a shotgun snap to the face, squeaking into the 86 playoffs only to get destroyed by the Jets, Marty-ball, Gunther, Vermeil and so on. I was willing to give AS a chance. He's shown me all I need to see and he reminds me almost exactly of a qb we had in 89 named Steve. No, not the tough SOB who played with a dislocated finger, but Steve Pelluer. We may not have hit rock bottom, but I can see it hurtling towards us at terminal velocity.

Doesn't matter. Pick someone, any round and let them play.

1. . . . 6, . . . 5, 2, 3 [will probably move up in the future, but to new to be a 'present' woe], 7, 9, 4.

Reid: That's on me. I take responsibility. Some things we need to do better.

I said as soon as that game was over that that game was irrelevant so far as the entire season was concerned. It was one very early season game. The story of this season was going to be how they responded to it.

Well, . . . they responded.

This is a talented team, with a coaching staff that can't instill in them the will to refuse to accept defeat.

And put them in the best position to win with the talent on hand.

It's ****ing hilarious all the people throwing terms like flawless and elite about the rest of the team around the QB in KC. Outside a criminally misused Charles, the whole team has been mediocre to subpar for a long while.

Even Houston set the most pedestrian, irrelevant, near sack record in NFL history.

The Faustian pact when Alex was brought here was 'get a GM who doesn't obsess over candy wrappers, and a competent coach. We'll build a team around Alex that can win.'

Well the team around Alex is just a reeruned as it was in 2012, there are still serious questions about the competence of coach and staff, and this is still supposed primarily a QB problem?

Alex probably has to go. Really, before we're good again almost all of them will go in some way or another. But we haven't learned learned jack shit about what it means to surrounding Alex with a good team, let alone an elite one. That's just wishing and praying for an easier to solve problem.

Reid, Smith, Dorsey and Sutton are your guys problems.

Yep. + the OL

The Denver game broke us. That's how it seems to me. That was the game. We had it in hand and then the fumble. That was the back breaker.

It was our GM ignition of games.

Even if Charles doesn't fumble, we lose that game. Knew it with 6 minutes to go.