I can be subjective and right at the same time.

Fair enough. I just don't have him graded as a first round talent. For his career he has a 2 TDs to 1 INT ratio and averages 200 yards passing per game. I don't consider that top talent.

These game-manager comparisons with Cook scare me. It's simply too far away to say if a guy can do it at this level. Everyone wanted Geno's ass during October of 2012, don't lie.

We as a fan base need to cross our fingers that MSU can get in the playoff. Then let's see what he can do.

He is a Joe Flaco

You're not right tho. That's the thing.

Never draft a Big XII QB.

What do you consider a guy who has a 13 TD to 1 Int ratio, averaging 368.2 yards per game on 9.64 ypa with a 73.6% completion percentage and a 172.9 QBR?

Oh, and who is 6'7", 245 lb. and mobile?

Because that's what Lynch is putting up this year.

He's made significant progress every year in every measurable category.

Frsh/Soph:
Games: 12/13
Yds: 2056/3031
Att: 349/413
Comp: 203/239
A/C %: 58.2/62.73.6
TDs: 9/22
Int: 10/9
QBR: 110.4/137.6

That's developing, progressing at a remarkable rate. And his explosion this season shows that he's still moving upwards. Huge ceiling that keeps rising.

You are including his freshman stats and using that as a negative. I think that looking at his freshman to sophomore to junior stats shows a huge plus.

Huh? How does that translate to the NFL?

He's already in a pro style system + biggest games in college football against some of the best teams. Could be a good test tape wise, as good as it gets.

I say look at the competition he's faced this year. Missouri State is 1-5, Kansas is 0-6, Bowling Green is 5-2, Cincinnati is 3-3, South Florida is 3-3, and Ole Miss is 5-2. I see one team worth a shit that they beat.

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent prospect, but some are acting like he's faced stellar competition and that is false. I'm not ready to anoint him as anything more than a QB who has one impressive win against one quality team. The other teams are dog shit. It's typical CP knee jerk reaction of finding something shiny and new and jumping the gun.

Is this who the CP personality cult is going to form around this year? I don't want to miss it.

I prefer Lynch or Goff. Cook hasn't really impressed me.

Boykin will never start a game as an NFL Qb. Bank on it.

I will sell a nut to have Cook on this team. Might even toss in a kidney to sweeten the deal.

You have a low football IQ.

Ha. Thanks.

Coming from a guy whose general IQ is somewhere close to that of a house cat on tranquilizers I'll take that with a grain of salt. Boykin is less talented than Geno Smith and RG3. Look how far they've gotten. If he's smart he'll take the suggestion of several pundits and scouts and enter the combine as a WR.

I'm torn right now on Goff and Cook. There's just too many questions. But I'd love to have either right now. In the meantime.... can we please see what Aaron Murray can do?

Bottomline is that there will most likely be 4 guys running. There will sometimes be one guy who backs off and goes back to school, so most likely 3 of the following guys will be in the draft..

Hackenberg
Lynch
Goff
Cook

This is as good of a QB draft class as it gets. If (when) the Chiefs don't draft one of these players, then they will absolutely signify what people think of them, and Clark.

April 2016 is going to be one of the most important months for the Chiefs.

Missouri State was a warm up and he only threw the ball 12 times for 78 yards as they went to the ground game almost immediately. Kansas is dog shit, but the other teams are a combined 16-10 with a top 20 team in Ole Miss.

And he's not shiny and new. He was very good last season and has continued to get better. This is the type of progression you hope for in a QB, regardless of the conference level, and as he's showing the progression against a team like Ole Miss, who has an excellent defense and solid defensive backs and Lynch just owned them all game, shows that he's doing what everyone hopes a college QB with pro potential will do - get better every year as they get physically and mentally stronger and their understanding of the game grows.

If you don't like him because he didn't throw for 4000 yards as a freshman, fine. But he's shown a ton in his progression and is now putting the hammer to everyone. You want the definition of a guy being able to carry a team? That's Paxton Lynch, circa 2015. He's brought his team back from 10 points down four times already this season.

Chiefs will rebound just enough to miss out on a stud. Write it in stone. Some discount ****tard will be had in the third though!

Cook has delivered time and again against good competition. He's very accurate and his TDs to INT ratio has been great on a continuous season by season basis. He throws accurately into tight windows within a conservative passing game plan and has played in the pro style offense. Cook looks the part. Has proto typical size and speed. A strong arm and a love for football. Cook compares to Phillip Rivers and is a no brainer, first QB in the draft type player. Cook is the best QB prospect in the upcoming draft by a sizeable margin.

Did Charlie day compose this?

Actually, this is where I have a problem with Cook. His accuracy has always been kind of an issue.

He's never broken the 60% completion mark in his entire career for a season. Ever. That should be a genuine concern for a guy who is a potential first round pick in the draft.

He throws for a ton of yards and makes some beautiful passes but will make some really dipshit, head scratching throws in nearly every game and a handful of off the mark tosses that a top prospect shouldn't be missing with that regularity. He throws a great out pass, but he just doesn't see the middle of the field well for whatever reason.

He's a very nice prospect with numerous pro level tools. Love his attitude as well. However, there are some serious question marks about his game most of which is his accuracy, or lackthereof.

:shrug:

Paxton Lynch 62 % completions career percentage against inferior competition. Enough said.

He's been butthurt since I called him a bad poster last night and am just giving him more posts to get riled up and rep 5000 people so he can neg another post of mine LMAO

Sounds like Kerry Collins.

he can be annoying, but in a hilarious kind of way...

link for the bad poster comment?

It's somewhere in the Alex Smith thread.

I'm just piling on him for being so mad that he took the time to build up enough to neg rep like 6 posts in around an hour insisting I was crying with all that no rep I leave lol

If I had any problems with him, it would be that he's a type of person that goes head first into any bullshit the Chiefs try to serve as roses and white knight for a dumb team. That fan type is why this team has no actual plan and unfortunately, they are the majority.

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Not an inaccurate comparison at all actually.

Well done C.E.

Kerry Collins college stats 35 TDs 21 INTs

Connor Cook college stats 60 TDs 17 INTs

Its not even remotely close. Know your facts before throwing shit at a wall, hoping it sticks.

Don't get completely riled up. Collins was a terrific college QB, especially his senior year and displayed a lot of the traits that Cook does in their games at the same level.

Collins also was a solid pro. Not spectactular, but solid.

He wasn't insanely accurate at either level, much like Cook and, while he possessed a big frame, he didn't have a huge arm.

You can never say that two guys are the same guy, but the Collins comparison is not a stretch.

I see Connor Cook more comparable to Rivers at the next level. I don't believe the TDs of Cook's should be overlooked and why I believe the Collins comparison is weak.

Collins would be remembered a lot more favorably if he didn't have problems with substance abuse.

He was a really good prospect.

I am right. I'm always right.

You are wrong.

Boykin thrashed a better Ole Miss defense in our bowl game last year. 42-3.

Boykin has also led multiple comebacks.

Boykin is better.

Actually, I think that Clay's call on Collins is pretty good, but if you want to stick with a 21st century player, I'd consider Cook closer to Eli Manning more than I would Philip Rivers.

You should probably just stay in the Boykin thread exclusively from this point forward for your own sake as well as the rest of CP.

No.

Sacc, is Hogan declaring this year? He's a senior, right?

College stats mean jack shit

Some mid con broke dick RG... Its safe and low risk of helping the franchise contend. Ensures 7-9 and BBQ smoke.

Except when they come from future hall of fame QBs like Trevone Boykin.

If you're telling someone to know facts when using college statistics to justify drafting a qb, it's time for a break.

In most cases this is 100% true. These days many systems inflate QB stats far beyond their true talent.

They're part of the equation but by themselves are meaningless.

Who did Roethlisberger face in college? How about Joe Flacco?

I agree, but to me he seems more like a game- manager -type at the next level. You can win with him, BUT...

Just my opinion...

Hell, I liked Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo coming out of college, rather then Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manziel, so take it for what it's worth...

LMAO

That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. I never claimed it was the end all and be all, but the stats are a good barometer on a players skill set.

You nailed it with the Eli comparison.

So 2 Super Bowl wins, then. Got it. Sign me up.

No, they arent.

They don't translate anything in terms of ability at the next level

Yeah, lets draft someone who throws 50 Picks a year in college. That's ****ing moronic to not consider stats at the collegiate level. It is a barometer of someone's skill set. No matter whether you agree or not.

Hogan is a senior. Four year starter at Stanford. Progressed every year and is really playing well right now.

When he's on, he looks like he should be the first pick in the draft.

I think he, like Lynch, still has their arrow pointing up in terms of getting better.

Do you know the top 5 QBs in career NCAA passing yards?

1. Case Keenum
2. Timmy Chang
3. Landry Jones
4. Graham Harrell
5. Ty Detmer

Bad college stats generally mean you won't be able to hack it in the pros. Good college stats still make things a crapshoot. There's no correlation between one guy's stats being better than another player's and success in the NFL. They're just not a very useful evaluation criteria.

You didn't read a damn thing I said if this is your response and your post has zero merit in discrediting my stance. My point on Cook is that he is consistent. Doesn't turn the ball over much. Delivers in the clutch. Plays in a Pro Style offense and has a strong arm and good accuracy. Stats don't tell the whole story, but disregarding them is asinine. If you don't like the player, fine by me, but don't pull shit out your ass and fling it on the wall, hoping it sticks.

Then you obviously didn't read mine, either.

I said they're a benchmark criteria. And that's it. They're not correlational. You can't draw a line between the better stats a guy has the more success he'll have.

And these days EVERY QB pretty much meets that benchmark criteria.

Therefore, they're not important at all.

i don't know that i'd say that the majority of chiefs fans are like sr... :shake:

and after last year, i think the majority of fans are pretty reasonable and capable of expressing themselves better than any other fan base in the usa...

sr is really ok, he's just a little excitable and thinks in very concrete terms which makes it difficult to understand some of his more cryptic posts...

but he's always entertaining, if you don't take his comments too seriously...

If Lynch doesn't declare, I'm leaning more towards this guy every day.

Goff makes me uneasy and I swear every time I watch Cook, I hear a voice in the back of my head whispering "Sanchez".

Which is not necessarily a bad thing but Sanchez, when on in college, made Cook look like Thigpen.

I don't know where Hogan is projected right now but if we could pick him up in round 2, I wouldn't be too terribly upset, if that's possible.

If They don't take a QB then shame on all the fans for going to the games. There shouldn't be any smoke.

this

Dear lord that list is awful. Seeing Detmer also reminds me of the horrible performance of former Heisman winners in the NFL.

Interesting take from a scout on Connor Cook..


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ook-for-week-7

Having said that, I don't agree with that at all.

Cook has scattershot accuracy

Connor Cook is scary accurate as a draft prospect. He can make the throws with absolute precision

http://nflmocks.com/2015/05/16/conno...outing-report/

What's his completion percentage this year?

57.4

That being said his Wr's are dropping everything this year.

He can make some amazing Short yard Passes he is scary accurate in the 1-15 yard range he would be perfect in a West Coast Offense.

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