For me, at the end of the day, it's worth it just to have access to every game.

I must say, however, that Goodell has done a horrible job with the schedule. Two afternoon games yesterday?

There should be balance, IMO. It would make Sunday's more fun.

Yea I don't get the afternoon schedule either. It used to be around 4-5 games all the time! Yesterday was horseshit!

It wasn't much fun. I get the whole "Bye" thing but the unbalanced morning/afternoon thing is bullshit.

It need to be balanced.

Isn't this the oline we were supposed to start the season with?

Yes.

The difference, especially against a very good Steelers defense, was readily apparent, especially through four quarters.

:hmmm:

We could easily be 5-2 right now.

It's kind of a quirky year for the NFL...it will be interesting to see how it moves forward.

It's amazing how much better that O-line looks when Alex Smith gets the ball out quickly.

Everyone praising the line....but really....Smith did a good job of getting rid of the ball. Give credit where credit is due.

Finally had 2 receivers being productive as well


Wilson finally healthy
Conley finally catching it


Hopefully when Maclin gets well we can run 3 wr and Kelce and West in single back

Me too. The only games I've missed in the last few years were when I was out of the country. Otherwise I watch every game, win or lose. I'm not a bandwagon fan that stops watching every time they have a losing streak.

Sunday Ticket is great when you don't live in KC.

"Passable" is a bad adjective when describing a pass rusher

Particularly a first round pass rusher.

I never understood why Reid moved him to RT. Stephenson was getting owned at LT anyway, so a shakeup couldn't really cost us anything.

Fisher isn't as bad as CP would have you believe. He's an average NFL offensive lineman at this point.

Nobody is claiming that's good value for a #1 overall, and if he never gets any better it will be a huge bust. But he was always going to be a project/upside pick.

Here's hoping Reid can find an arrangement of the deck chairs that at least lets him mature somehow, even though I think we can all agree that with the personnel on this offensive line, we are trying to build a doghouse without any nails

It had more to do with the changes in the OL. The one that started Sunday against the Steelers was "good enough." The ones prior were not.

I'm talking about his run D and pass coverage. From a pass rushing standpoint, he still needs experience but he clearly has athleticism that can't be coached. His first step is really, really good.

If I had to guess, Stephenson was never that good at RT. He, at times, showed some capability as a LT. So, they line him up next to a proven LG in Grubbs thinking they could mask him a little. Again, purely guessing, but they assumed a similar role with Fisher being good enough to carry the right side with an inexperienced LDT at RG. It kinda sorta worked, then it imploded.

Allen is apparently fully healthy so he goes back to his preseason RT, Fisher goes back to LT. And they were able to get reps in against a Pitt D that frankly isn't what it used to be.

So they got the realignment, and they got a little lead back in their pencils at the same time.

Probably correct. I think this is as "good" as it gets this year. Maybe next year the keep everyone in position from LT through C and move Allen to RG and find a solid RT. Or maybe LTD and Allen develop at RG and RT respectively. :shrug:

So I did NOT watch the game...with this alignment, was LDT decent? Is there enough to work with there?

Hopefully Allen stays healthy and can prove that he's above average at RT. If so....give that man a new deal and leave Fisher at LT for his last year and make him earn that new contract as well.

I've never really liked Allen at G, but I'm ok with him at RT if he can build on yesterday. He played well enough at tackle in college to get drafted high, and don't get the concept of idea of drafting college tackles for NFL guards.

At least this way, we'll most likely see this line get snaps for 2 games against teams that aren't overly amazing up front on D before we get Denver again, with Wolfe this time.

This. We need some continuity on the Oline. I'm also thinking we pick up the 5th year option on Fisher.

We'll see about that. His 5th year tender is worth an average of the top 10 OTs in the league. That's going to be huge.

I hope Fisher continues to play well. We need him to be good to protect that future QB

It looks like his 5th year tender would be around $10 million.

They have no other option than to pick it up. They can't spend another high selection on a left tackle and it's unlikely they can nab a starter in the 2nd round.

If Fisher continues to play like he did on Sunday at LT, he'll be more than fine. Personally, I think he'll only get better.

Good thing he has the rest of the season to prove he's worth it.

Just FYI, it was Dee Ford that blew up the running play in the backfield. Solo tackle for loss on fourth down. He also looked good dropping into coverage. His most complete game to date and looked like a guy who could be a good player soon.

I spent most of the game watching him and Hali.

Someone said that Fisher being good is the best news imaginable, because it alleviates the need for a tackle in the first round. They are so right.

Come on down, Paxton Lynch!

He was. The entire team had their best game.

Now, let's keep that up while still losing, people.

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...68231063539712

Holy shit. The OL actually picked up a blitz on Sunday.

Fisher played LT on Sunday?

That's what I get for not watching the game, I guess.

Who played RT?

Allen.

Fisher - Grubbs - Morse - LDT - Allen

We've had the OL pick up blitzes like that all season.

Smith just chooses to take sacks on them. Notice the OL picks up the blockers, but the get pushed back a bit. That shit usually makes Alex panic, and why some people erroneously believe it's the OL's fault.

It's not.

No, he didn't.

If Fisher plays well enough, I'd extend him and turn that tender into bonus. I'd hope Fisher knows he won't get top ten money so might be a good way to keep an effective enough left tackle at bargain price.

I think ford also disrupted a pass in the final drive too. And he got there really fast. It was like he was blasted from a cannon.

Quietly having a solid season is code for hasn't shit the bed this year. Meh.

Our Oline hasn't been picking up shit all season ...

RunKC had the statistics but Stephenson didn't allow a single sack or pressure in the first two games

Really? Well, Hell. I'll have to go back and look but that sounds rather dubious.

It's a little of both. You could also add in the play calling.

Conley, Wilson, DAT, and West all had good games as well. DJ and Berry showed up and got turnovers.

It was basically the team we had all hoped we were at the start of the season. Just a solid, all-around showing. Still had trouble in the red zone, though. To many trips to start the game where first and goal ended with a field goal.

Yeah, it was the entire left side including Morse and Grubbs actually. For the first two games they didn't give up a single sack.

That would be an idiotic move on Fisher's part.

I'm not surprised you suggested it.

:clap: ROFL

Um... The chiefs can cut Fisher and he would get no money. So I would think he and his agent would be more than willing to negotiate. In case you didn't read, it's called an "option." And pretty sure Fisher knows he's not exactly going to get big bucks in the open market if the chiefs toss him to the street.

Except we played a third string QB at home. Don't go crowning their asses, just, yet.

Because this place is just LOUSY with rampant ass crowning. . .

It's rampant with fans that are equivalent to lemmings.

Well if you say so, no need to verify a statement so broad and nebulous.

I agree. Ford doesn't seem to be running away from plays as much anymore. So, he's showing some improvement there, for sure.

Find me anyone who thinks this team is making the playoffs...

You're speculating. If I were Fisher, I'd bet on myself, just like Justin Houston and Rodney Hudson did this past offseason.

Fisher would be wise to do the same. He's a young, ascending player hampered by injuries and playing out of position. Left tackles are at a premium in the NFL and he'd be a fool to accept some dopey low balled contract.

[carlpeterson]SIT THE **** DOWN AND SHUT THE **** UP! YOU HAVE NO LEVERAGE!![/carlpeterson]

Fisher needs to stay at LT, enough ****ing around

Young guys need to play much more

Ford - 60%, Hali 40%

Nelson seems sort of stupid but we need to find out THIS year.

Fisher,Grubbs,Morse,LDT,Allen until somebody proves they suck or get hurt

Mauga can **** off

Are we really going to keep Berry?

Trade Knile, West and Ware bring more to the game.

Fans are just desperate for hope, so they crown any player that gives them some.

What ever happened to that player? Not any playoff success, I hope.

Houston and Hudson played their contract out because they knew the Chiefs wouldn't cut them. Because they were practically playing for free.

Fisher doesn't have that leverage. He knows the Chiefs don't want to pay him $10M. The Chiefs can cut him next year and he's on the streets looking for a new contract. Fisher doesn't want that. The chiefs would prefer not to do that. The best thing for both sides is for the Chiefs to slightly overpay the market.

B/c CP loved him. CP holds a lot of weight with Andy.

You're talking out of your ass.

Fisher's under contract through 2016. Either the Chiefs pick up his fifth year option or they don't. But there's no way Fisher should accept some low ball offer to extend his contract when he has this year and next year to prove his worth.

That would be galactically stupid.

That's Galacist!!

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John Taint, the sensitive Mormon.

I think Fisher is just as likely to tell the Chiefs to **** off.

The had him play injured his entire 1st season because they didn't want the PR hit on him being out. That cost Fisher all his offseason stuff and TC for his first 2 seasons.

They have switched his position 4 times in 3 years ... RT - LT - RT - LT.

The last time they switched his position was not because of his poor play but because some other douche didn't try as hard at RT.

They have kept putting shit beside him all the time as well.

When Schwartz finally came in, Fisher played better
Now that he's next to Grubb he looks better

Dorsey has dicked around with the Oline every dam year.

Fans hate Fisher because he's not a QB and will never do more than 'put up' with him because of that.

Why in the **** would Fisher want to stick around after all that?


If i'm Fisher, i work my ass off to become the best i can and refuse to renegotiate my deal next year. Chiefs can pay me or cut me.

Then i'm off to free agency, immediately if they cut me, 2017 if they don't.

Fisher is a solid OT who has played both LT and RT. I imagine some team will give him $6 million a year, maybe more if he continues to improve.

You keep saying Fisher has next year to prove himself. There is no guarantee the Chiefs keep him. They can cut him and save $6M and use the savings to bring in another guy.

Fisher doesn't have leverage here. Fisher may only have two options. Option 1: get cut, find a team with a LT opening, and then beg for market value. Option 2: re-negotiate with the Chiefs to a contract that's above his market value but probably well less than $10M.

When did I say that has to happen now or that the Chiefs should low ball Fisher? It's in Fisher's best interest to play the year out. If Fisher isn't a $10M tackle or close to it before 2016, he would be galactically stupid to assume the Chiefs want to keep him around.

Chiefs fans, maybe. Chiefs FO, not so much.

Right. The Chiefs are going to cut him at the end of this season, which will not only force them to draft another left tackle in the first round, wasting even more resources, but make them look stupid for giving up on a player after year 3, two of which were injury plagued.

Good grief.

Why would we have to draft one in the first round?

He's played poorly for most of his career here.

And hopefully we're not going into the draft this offseason with the same team we've had the last 3 years...

Not nearly as poor as stupid muther ****ers around here keep saying

First year healthy
first year with full OTA/TC
2nd time playing with someone decent next to him(played better both times)

It will be interest to see how much he improves throughout this season.

So the Chiefs will pay Fisher twice his market value to save face. Got it.

The Chiefs would prefer not to let Fisher loose. But they have the option in their backpocket during negotiations. They can use a draft pick or pay for a veteran like Okung. It would be galactically stupid for Fisher to not at least be nervous about those options. It's a business.

What I'm proposing is win-win. If the Chiefs cut Fisher in 2016, Fisher will have to beg for 2016 market value. So what if the Chiefs pay him above 2016 market value? Fisher gets above his market value and the Chiefs keep their LT long-term and save money next year. Probably save money long term too.

Good grief... don't go old Dane.

Exactly my thoughts. It's how the WCO should be executed and the defenses we play for the remainder of the season (sans Denver) are favorable to this passing offense. Charcandrick West should get 35% of offensive plays like he did against Pitt going forward and develop nicely into a splite carry RB with Charles for next season. Goodbye Knile.

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To be fair though, you don't watch the game you just need to STFU

Your opinion doesn't count

So only you and Dane are allowed to have an opinion and the rest, 99% of CP are just a bunch of dumbasses. Got it...

Please explain to us how you can have an "opinion" when you don't watch the game you're commenting about?

That's beyond ****ing stupid.

People that don't actually watch the games shouldn't be posting about the games.

That's absurd.

I have watched every game but only parts of the last two, why does it bother you so much if someone doesn't agree with you?

Nobody said that

I'm not even involved in your argument with Dane.


But if someone doesn't watch the games then they just need to shut up and listen to the people who did. Just sayin'

Agree? I don't give a flying **** if you agree, Douche.

Watch the ****ing games. THEN we can have a conversation, Butt****.

Makes sense to me. If you dont watch, don't talk about what you didnt see. :shrug: In fact, I've had to temper my comments on actual games myself b/c I quit watching.

However, I can still heavily opine that Cosmo and Zilla are long lost twins, separated at birth, to save the world from stupidity...