No because the Royals were actually building a contender.

The Chiefs ceiling with Reid and Smith over the next two seasons is one playoff win and a slightly over .500 record.

They're never getting past the wild card round with what they have on the field now. The defense isn't good enough, the line isn't good enough and the skill players aren't good enough... And that's not getting fixed with two draft classes (especially ones as bad as 2013 and 2014) peppered with free agent signings.

I'd like to see what that was in response to.

no he's not

Even if we draft a QB in the 1st round, Alex Smith is our starter for at least part of next year and probably the entire thing. Any draftee will compete for time in 2017.

then why bother?

oh that's right, it your needs being met by downplaying a win.

You spelled 8-8 wrong

The real question is who is not safe?

I'd bet Sutton retires in January.

Stephenson is gone
Knile Davis might be traded if Charles is healthy to start the season
Eric Berry is probably gone unless he takes a significant paycut
Hali will probably retire, although Ford hasn't shown much of anything. Detroit started running right at Ford as soon as he enter the game

Reid probably won't make any coaching changes, although i think our Oline and Secondary coaches are suspect.

:facepalm:

Eric Berry has gotten a lot better. He's looked like the Berry of old. I think we keep him.

FYP :D

If you actually think this will happen, you should probably see a shrink.

It's not about Oakland. KC is OK with blowing smoke up your guys arse making you think they are trying to win a title. They really don't care and only care about filling their own pockets. No way KC fires Reid and pays him and another coach.

We do have 2 extra titles and we aren't afraid to draft a QB. You guys would much rather be in out shoes then that deadend you guys are in with Smith and Reid.

England here we come...

Fixed

Yeah, damn near 50 years without a Super Bowl win or appearance and 23 or so without a playoff win.. I can't argue with you.

And you look at the elite QBs in the league, other than Peyton Manning (who is no longer among the elite), all these guys spent time on the bench learning.

Tom Brady says hi. So does Russell Wilson. And Drew Brees. And Cam Newton.

Clark here to save tve the day...

Actually Berry missed several tackles today

I wouldn't think we would pay him 9-10 million per year.

Russel Wilson will, in all likely hood, become elite, but I would not put him that category yet.

Tom Brady spent his rookie season on the bench.

Drew Brees spent his rookie season on the bench.

And Cam Newton isn't elite, though like Wilson, he might get there.

If I'm not mistaken, votes of confidence from the owner or GM usually lead to firings shortly after, at least in the NFL. Miami was the most recent.

Running QB's also have a little advantage in letting their legs get them out of trouble.

Cam Newton may not be an elite passer, but he's a hell of a play maker who has kept his squad undefeated...which is a miracle considering the garbage he has for targets not named Olsen.

Alice Smiff 145 yards passing. Marc Kastle 97 yards passing. Chiefs starting quarterbacks 7 years running. **** CHunt.

I too saw "for sale".

And momentarily rejoiced. Over Reid at least.

This is literally best case scenario.

Nobody is gonna trade for Alex when they can get Chase Daniel or Matt Cassel and get similar results

Russell Wilson is the epitome of elite game manager. He is athletic and he is smart. But his limitations come at his height and cost him the SB where he had to throw a pass higher than most would. I said it since his second season, he's a far better leader at QB than Andrew luck.

Cam newton doesn't have the motivation nor the brain to improve his skill set. He is the same player that he was in year 1.

If Daniel can get us a 4th or 5th round pick I'll take it at this point. There are plenty of gems to be found in later rounds. That Stefon Digg kid is an absolute beast hiding in round 5.

90 plus percent of fans disagree.

Disagree with what?

Russell Wilson misses one opportunity in the Super Bowl to close a game and that's used against him. But shame on Pete Carroll for dialing that play instead of a low risk fade or throwaway. Meanwhile, Alex Smith has blown a bazillion opportunities to win on a last drive in KC and hasn't done it once. Boy, that's fair.

Let me repeat... If Russell Wilson closed that super bowl game, he'd be tied with Alex Smith for total game winning drives. Nevermind that Russell has started half as many games. I'll let that sink in.

The ability to sell fans Smith/Reid/Dorsey. 90% of this fan base will buy whatever the Chiefs put on the field, etc.

LMAO Clark is command of this ship! Five more minute of fame for him as he makes yet another odd decision.

I'm coming around on this. Look across the parking lot. People wanted to run Ned Yost out of town a few years ago. Horrible in game decisions with bullpen, bunting all the time. #Yosted. Dayton Moore was brought in after being an understudy to a long time GM with a stable winning franchise. Both he and Dorsey started their GM careers with the number one pick and picked a player that started out as a bust but tuned solid if nothing else (Hocheavar/Fisher)

Also in the nfl, tom Coughlin, dick vermeil in STL, Ron Rivera, Marvin Lewis, and probably more are all examples of coaches that fans wanted to ship out that either won the super bowl or are undefeated his year.

/This :clap:

Apples and oranges.

Yost pretty much admitted that he had to change his managerial style to be successful. He admitted that he was a stubborn manager who needed to trust his coaches more and let his players play. Do you think Andy Reid can change?

Both Reid and Dorsey also come from organizations that know the importance of having a franchise QB. Do this, and I'm on board. Until then, I'm skeptical. That's the way it should be - especially in KC where a retread QB culture exists.

Interesting point...and it begs the question how or why does that exist? Everything has changed, and I mean everything from the owner on down. It was arguable that while Peterson was here that was his decision alone, but it was clear, he was taking his cues from his head coaches.

Some thought Lamar, well, he's gone (RIP) as well...I'd like to assume that Clark didnt promise his father on his death bed to 'never draft a QB', so there's got to be an opportunity for this to happen at some point.

Three front office regimes in the last 10+ years and each one has picked up a cast off from another team and propped him up as a starter while ignoring the position for all intents and purposes in the draft.

Hey your guys next QB from SF just became available. Colin K would fit perfect with KC.

I am not against Clark committing to Dorsey/Reid long term, but he needs to demand some changes to the coaching staff and force Reid to give up play-calling duties, unless the Chiefs somehow turn their season around during the final 8 games.

Regardless, a franchise QB must finally be drafted and developed on their watch.

Better get over that idea sooner than later.

We're slowly ****ing ourselves out of the position to draft one. And good luck trading up for one.

Clarks comments this week don't sound promising. He's spinning this as if we are turning this ship around because we've won a few pretty meaningless games. And it sounds like we're keeping guys like Sean Smith around to make a desperate run even though we know Smith won't be back next year.

This is on Clark. Reid is going to absorb power until somebody stops him.

We need to start hitting our draft choices more often like the Royals..

We're keeping Sean Smith because he's ****ing talented. Would you rather we trade him for pennies and start Fleming or Cooper?

A tradeable pick next year is worth more than a possible untradable compensation pick the year after.

Not if it's anything lower than a 5th. And not if we have the chance to resign Smith to a decent deal.

You're correct about Smith and in assuming that's probably what Zilla would do.

Don't get me wrong......if a team came along and offered up a 3rd or 4th round pick for Smith....I'd do it. But that's not going to happen.

And this FO is not going to start trading everyone away....especially not after the last two wins.

Playing for draft position hasn't helped in the past anyway. This draft qb wise is gonna be about the scouting direction and which one best fits what you're looking for anyway (thanks DJ) so theres no point in tanking.

They need to be trying to get Berry and the NT playing well whose name escapes me right now signed and see what Sean Smith is gonna look for, likely more than I'd pay, but I'd be interested in knowing.

Jaye Howard. Dude needs a contract right now.

kcchiefs.com is littered with celebratory videos the past two weeks. They think the team is back on track and ready to go on a huge upswing.

Again, I'm fine with that type of thinking, but that would mean the team probably shouldn't have shit the bed against the goddamn Bears and Vikings. Because they did, instead of making a playoff push like they could be, they're going to be making a push for 8-8 and embarrassment.

And once again, no first round QB will be available.

That's their job. They get paid to polish a turd. Can't really blame team employees for that.

I used to be against it, but I think there's something to be said about building a winning culture throughout the organization. I think it's more important than draft position and or who you draft where and when.

So if they wanna push it in and try and win out this year, fine, do it.

More than anything they need to establish the culture thag losing isn't ok.

We need a QB so badly. The talent on this team is young and it stacks up with most teams in the NFL.

I think overall Dorsey has done a nice job with the hand he's been dealt, but a QB is the missing piece to consistent success.

You can when you start doing that at the expense of looking out for the teams long term interests. I never back tanking. But the chiefs should be shopping their expensive veterans right now for draft picks. I'll be pissed if I find out we missed an opportunity to do that to save us a few wins, especially for players like Sean Smith who we know won't be here next year.

Regardless of whether the Chiefs pick #1 or #32, I don't think there's any way that they can pass on a talented QB in the first round.

Point of selection is absolutely no guarantee of success, so as long as they choose a guy that they feel can be a long term starting QB, I'm fine with it.

In the mean time, I want them to win as many games as possible.

:facepalm:

Basically, this.

There will never be a better situation for them to take a QB early, than what theyll have next year.

I don't have a problem with Sean Smith. I like the guy. But if doesn't feel like the chiefs have interest in keeping him past this year. If they don't, then we should get value out of him instead of trying to salvage a few meaningless wins

Wins in the NFL are never meaningless.

I know that kind of flies in the face of everyone here, but as we've seen with coaching turnover, winning isn't easy.

Actually for the first time, i think Cam Newton is getting there. I didn't think he would.

Without his stud center Wilson hasn't looked the same, even though he has better weapons.

Yep...excellent.

If you already have a QB you can roll with that.

Alex isn't good enough.
Our line isn't good enough.
Our play calling hasn't been good enough.

Everything looks better after waxing a terrible team. This is the same team that lost to the Vikes and hapless Bears.

Some people wanted Reid gone because of his stubbornness. Clark telling him his job is fine no matter what gives him no reason to change anything. He'll stick with Alex and the same $3it we see this season we'll see next season.

We go 6-10, no big deal, I've got my job...

I've got a big issue with this. Clark shouldn't be saying anyone is "safe" right now.

We are 3-5 in this regime's third year. That is NOT good.

Clark should be saying that this is disappointing and that we should be better than this, or that we haven't met expectations so far.

Fans have thought that for a long,long time and they keep passing on them.


passing on Bridgewater last year was confusing

After watching Dee Ford struggle, it's even more confusing. Apparently they thought his first step would be enough to build around.

Oh, but we have...

The same team as the bears debacle would have gotten beat traveling to London by the Lions.

Whether it's shitty opponents or not, the team is currently playing better than they were a month ago.

The line, qb, play calling etc, is problematic but also a function of each other.

It's no coincidence that as one starts playing better, the other 2 start performing better as well.

I dont expect Clark to say the 'truth' in public statements...I have to assume that Clark is saying 'we can do better than this' in private.

No spread offense/option QB's for me, thank you. Aside from Wilson, none of them have worked out. Old school pocket passers who play pro style offenses have a greater chance of success in this league.

He didn't come from a spread offense/option system.

And neither did Wilson, for ****'s sake. Neither at NC State OR at Wisconsin.

And there have been a few spread system QBs to work out in the NFL. Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, and Culpepper are a few.

And if you really want to go this far... even Chase Daniel.

They require time and patience. If you draft one in the 1st round and expect them to automatically integrate the new principles they work on in one offseason just for the sake of getting them important snaps so you don't waste their 1st round contract, you're going to get a bad QB.

THAT'S the big difference between the spread QBs who fail and the ones who can find success.

Really?

It costs the club money to cut him. It costs them the opportunity at a championship, or at least a good playoff run, to play him.

I submit that it is far more costly to keep (starting) him.

Please do some research before you open your mouth.

They can designate him a June 1st cut next year and get back $1 million in cap space.

Andy called pretty much the same game vs the Lions he did the rest of the season. The difference was almost everything worked. It was just one of those days.

When we face a real D like Denver it's all going to look like $#it again and we'll be wondering what he did differently. In reality, nothing was any different...