With people laughing at you for being a grown man wearing a jersey with another man's name on it?

Rany did an article on Glass's net worth in 2008.
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2008/12/glass.html
His quotes are from the KC Pitch and KC Star.

1992 Businessweek article put him at 82 million
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/...not-sam-walton

It's okay. I did my due diligence and asked everyone. Seemed only people who had low self esteem and small peckers had an issue with it.

$323 million at the time he bought the Royals is pretty accurate.

Gordon put the team on his back and hit one over the wall dead center field after hosmer shit the bed with an error. That gets overlooked quite often. Could have been an entirely different series without that Gordon blast

Whoever is overlooking that should go a week without trousers.

I don't doubt your story but what this tells me is that there were a whole lot of tall tales being told.

I had heard he was a billionaire somewhere around 2003 and that article I linked had him at $1.8 a decade later. This was fairly well known in wealthy circles and I'd heard it over and over again.

Forbes inability to determine his net worth is interesting to say the least.

I don't think he makes the Hall of Fame.

Chiefs Ring of Honor for sure but if Terrell Davis can't get in, neither will Charles.

I can't criticize either party here. Thanks gord.

He not only did that, he had the go ahead hit in the Houston game 4 comeback, and he had the go ahead hit in the Toronto game 2 comeback.

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Agree to disagree.

I still think Priest Holmes was the better running back and receiver. His vision was extraordinary.

And a back with less than 10,000 yards doesn't have a chance, IMO.

This is my last word on the subject and I won't respond further just cause I don't want to derail an important thread. I love Priest Holmes, but compare the offenses they played in. Jamaal has had nothing. No epic o-lineman. Nobody at QB. Just a dumpster fire. And he's been unstoppable in spite of it all. And he somehow managed higher yards per carry than Jim Brown and Barry ****ing Sanders. If Bettis is in the ****ing Hall of Fame then it is a joke that Jamaal would not be. It's the "Hall of Longevity", and should not be connected to greatness.

I agree with all of this.

**** the Cubs and their shitty "historic" stadium with its shitty ivy.

I think if the Royals come close to a 5/75 he stays. He has ties to the area and I think he'd like to be the next retired Royals hero. Zobrist might look at a team closer to Nashville.

I think he is FOS but heard from a guy that does have ties to GMDM that Cubs offered 5/120 Royals offered 5/85. I just cant see those dollars but who knows.

Yep

I don't buy that for a second.

Every single player has put the team on their back at some point.
You can't point to a single moment and logically suggest to pay a player tons of money you don't have.

Dayton is still going to have a budget.

But yes, that Gordong was huge.

So we are to believe that the Cubs' opening offer was for more per-season than the Marlins gave Giancarlo Stanton?

Yeah, no.

I think the chances he ends up in KC are pretty slim. I'm not even sure they'll offer him a 5 year deal.

I don't either but I was floored when Butters got 3 for 30 from the A's.

HA HA,thanks for the laugh!


Talking about over paying and if they were so stupid to do this, this would open up a major can of worms for players across the board. Every player will use that contract as a measuring stick to position their own contract.

I would be surprised if Gordon gets over 75 mil.

This - everyone of us knew before we clicked on the thread what we would find, and yet here we are. :)

I think the floor is 4/75, however there are other similar players on the market that could effect how this plays out. I'd hate to see the Royals sign him for even 4/80 - if we cant do a 3 year contract (which we most likely can't) we should move on.

Love Gordon - was there for his first at bat against the Red Sox and have loved his leadership but baseball is a business. Teams like ours can't miss on 4 year bloated contracts to pay for a defensive tooled player. The money makes the inefficiency we are tying to exploit a losing proposition.

Gordon is not signing anywhere for a three year deal unless he's making an obscene annual average.

He's going to get four years for sure, and likely five. Maybe even six.

The most ridiculous part of this is you communicating through email...

You agree we should stay away from any contract >=4/80?

Not sure how that would work with Bird looking like a potential star this year. I guess they could put Bird at DH, but he's pretty young for that. Hosmer certainly is a much better defender.

I could support 4/80. Giving anything more than 3 years to Zobrist would be counterproductive due to his age IMO.

I don't think teams are even allowed to talk to Gordon or his agent until Friday.

You have 3 salaries to compare with Gordon. I think 18.5 would be right for him, but you have to look at Shin-Soo Choo, Jayson Werth, and Hunter Pence for the comparisons.

Correct. That would violate the CBA.

No.

I would go 5/100 for him if that's what it took.

We will find out. This team just won a championship so there isn't any reason not to raise the payroll higher than it's ever been. The attendance and t.v. numbers are up higher than even their owner expected.

If he doesn't pay now, he won't ever do it.

Charchandwick West will send you a thank you card from Hawaii in late January.

Have seen/read that Glass is saying they aren't content with "just a good season" next year. They're going to make a push to stay on top.

For whatever sins he had early in his ownership, he has stepped up to the plate with the needed money every time he has been asked over the past decade, since Dayton Moore became the GM.

He'll give Dayton what he needs to keep the team in position to win the Central and make noise in the playoffs.

I thought the royals could talk to him exclusively until Friday and then he becomes unrestricted?

The Royals are the 29th? largest market in MLB and we started the year at 16th in salary and added Cueto, Zobrist, etc. I doubt we can go much higher.
The TV numbers don't help because we can't renegotiate our shitty deal.

Who knows, we may need to make room for this guy...

http://m.royals.mlb.com/news/article...playing-in-afl

No, but an additional 1 million people in the park is good for at least another $80 million in revenue.

I think 140 is a pretty reasonable mark for the Rpyals, as long as they're drawing that well.

We're not talking about the Royals. Its understood that they have an exclusive negotiation period right now.

Yeah, 4/$75 will almost certainly be the starting point.

If some team wants him badly enough, he may be able to squeeze out a 5th; a 6th seems unlikely.

I'm thinking 5/$90 million is where he ends up. He'll spend some time trying to hit that 9 figure threshhold but I don't think he'll be able to support an AAV that high to get it in 5 years and I figure he's just a little too old to get a 6th (though you may see a team option tacked on there at the end to make the 'paper' value over $100 million).

We're in an era where a guy that was 'worth' $10 million on the open market only 5 years ago is probably worth $15 million now. FA salaries have escalated so much of late that the starting point for anyone with even a little bit of hardware seems to be the Jacoby Ellsbury deal (ugh...**** you, Yankees).

In an environment where the Yankees paid Ellsbury $22 million/season through his age 36 season, the idea that a guy like Gordon's going to take 5 yrs w/ an AAV of $15 million/season is pretty laughable. The guy averaged 6 WAR/season from 2011-2014; he's going to get paid a lot and for a long time.

Well, I doubt the average person is spending $80, especially since most of the additional 1 million people are mostly in cheaper seats.

He already makes, what $14-15M? We live in a world where Billy Butler--a not particularly good DH--gets $10M+. Jumping to $20M for Gordon just doesn't seem like that big of a deal in the broad scheme of things. They just won the WS, been to two in a row. They can keep the band together another couple years. DO IT.

On a side note...Holy shit...5 years/$100M...It still seems insane for a baseball player to make $20M+, particularly one that isn't hitting .320 with 40 HRs...but that's where we're at...

With food, parking, merch...it might be close.

I think $50/ticket sold is a pretty reasonable average, $5 for parking, $25 for concessions.
Have been told that's pretty close to the mark.

They've had a large increase in young people attenfing, too. Which equates to more liquor sales.

Is he worth that kind of deal? I love the guy as a Royal, but could his production be replaced at a lower cost?

For the way the Royals play? Boy, it'd be tough.

Most teams value offensive WAR above all else, but the Royals derive so many of their wins through the 'gritty' side of the spectrum - the pressure of speed, premier defense and aggressive baserunning. A guy like Gordon, who's 6 WAR may not be a 'true' 6 WAR on a team like the Cubs, probably does directly contribute 6 wins or so in a healthy season on a team like the Royals because they play in a way where his dWAR and baserunning shares directly influence the ballgame.

Finding another 6 WAR sprinkled among other spots on the team is gonna be damn tough. If you had an in-house option that could give you 3 WAR while being cost controlled, you could get the other 3 WAR in the market somehow but I'm not sure the Royals have that, do they?

Maybe they keep Zobrist on a 3 year deal for $45 million and move Mondesi to 2b? But then you have to factor in the long-term financial costs of starting the arbitration/FA clock on Mondesi. Moreover, you still may want to do that to replace Rios in RF, so you still need to fill LF somehow.

Bottom line is that Moore will probably need to spend some of that WS revenue. The only question he needs to really ask himself is whether or not a long-term deal with Gordon would interfere with their ability to retain Hosmer, Moustakas and Cain. The worst thing a team can do is hold onto the 'last wave' too long and in the process cost themselves part of their next core.

The Royals may just be wise to expect that the rest of the Central will underperform again, keep their powder dry, win the central by a couple fewer games next year and rely on another post-season hot streak to advance through October.

And this does not include postseason or postseason TV revenue.

If they resign Zobrist, Young and Gordon, they'll likely surpass the 3 million mark in 2016 and if they get to another World Series, it'll happen again in 2017.

It seems like a no-brainer to me but then again, I'm not deeply knowledgeable about MLB's salary scale.

The new Craft & Draft pub probably was a nice bump too

I thought the t.v. deal only had 1 more year to it.

Ah... gotcha. Thanks.

Nope, four more ****ing years. Royals are locked in at $20M in TV revenue every year. Compare that to $250M for the Dodgers. Brutal.

It runs through 2019.

Awful, horrible deal.

Wow. That's ****ed up.

At the time it was written, KC had not seen the playoffs and the 20 mil looked good to Mr. Glass.

I wonder if it's an option for the Royals to buyout the last four years of the deal... Pay $80M to make $250M?

Why in the world would they let us do that?

And similar to the Cardinals deal.

No one will pay the Royals $250 million per year to broadcast their games.

It'll like be closer to $75 million per year, which would be a huge upgrade, but it won't happen until 2020 at the earliest.

:(

The deal stinks, but it isn't reasonable to compare it to the Dodgers deal. Their market is huge, ours is small.

Does anyone have concrete info on the Royals TV deal and when it expires? I've only seen speculation thus far.

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The idea of losing Gordon hurts me to my core. I know he's in decline in terms of his career but dude is going to maximize every ounce of his physical potential through his late 30's. Dayton will probably let him go and keep Zo for a lesser amount, but it's going to hurt seeing him come back here in an opposing uniform.

The economics of baseball still suck. :(

I'm not sure Zobrist is much cheaper than Alex. A switch-hitter who can play just about any spot on the field? And he shows no signs of slowing down. Somebody is going to pay him a ton.

We made a qualifying offer, and it is decent. If Gordon really wants to stay here, he can.

He's not accepting the QO. It's not in any way "decent" compared to what he can get elsewhere. It's merely a hedge so that Royals get a 1st rounder from any team that signs him, which makes him a tad less attractive as a free agent and also gives us a draft pick.

Mellinger's column today is going over like a ton of bricks on Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In five days: a world championship, a parade and likely Alex Gordon&#39;s last day with the Royals. Baseball moves fast. <a href="https://t.co/YjOHV06bwg">https://t.co/YjOHV06bwg</a></p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/662452363999866880">November 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Sheesh. Goodbye, all hope. Well, if it's over then I trust Dayton to be right. The scouts noting he had lost a step speed-wise definitely gets your attention.

Look at it this way. He's mid 30's now, takes immaculate care of himself and still tore a groin.

This franchise committed to Gordon and never gave up on him. Even though most of the fans (myself included) called him a bust a long time ago.

The franchise committed to Alex Gordon by trading for Johnny Cueto, giving Alex Gordon ( and the rest of the team) a better chance to succeed in post season. The franchise committed to Alex Gordon by acquiring Ben Zobrist, giving Alex Gordon a better chance to succeed in post season.

If hie goes, I'll be sad. But if he goes, I'll know we got the best of Alex Gordon.

Gordon will be 32 when the season starts.

Zobrist is being projected in the neighborhood of 3/$45M. Dayton can probably stomach that.

If somebody signs him outside of the top 10, we don't simply take their spot in the draft. We get a compensation pick in between the 1st and 2nd round. Actually, if somebody in the top 10 signs him then we still get a pick in between the 1st and 2nd round.

Oh I think there's no doubt about that... although I think he was being careful after the groin injury. He only had two SB this year too.

What's not being mentioned is his defensive WAR was way down this year. I wouldn't say it's over yet. I'd love to see us keep him, but I am very afraid someone is going to step in and give him a huge contract that is more than we all expect.

I actually think Dayton will be the bigger obstacle than Glass. They can afford to pay him huge money, but Dayton would hate the idea of paying $18-20 million for a 35 year old guy who's lost a step.

No it isn't.
1 year at 15M/yr vs. 4 years at $20M/yr (conservative estimate)

Which would you pick?

4 years.

His dWar was way down because he missed 50 games.