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Travis Kelce is like a female version of Gronk
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He's just frustrating. You love his emotions and fire and talent, then he goes and just completely misses shit that, at this stage, he shouldn't be whiffing on. That's what makes Whitten and Gronk the best. They don't whiff. Kelce needs to start making that happen. |
When Kelce gains more maturity he will be the best TE in the league.
Mark my words. Gronk will probably be broken by then or I revise that statement to 2nd best TE in the league. |
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This is CP. Any pass that touches you, even if it's only a finger while a CB is draped over your back with the MLB waiting to lay a hit on you, should be caught. |
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I'll bet he hates embarrassing himself, and his need for attention will eventually be out weighed by fear of embarrassment/negative attention. And I'm surprised Houston hasn't gotten all up in his ass yet. That's one of the things I love about Houston. Dude called Berry out after coming back from cancer for not making play he thought he could have made. Don't know how much longer he will let Kelce slide before making him his bitch. Probably has refrained thus far because he plays offense. |
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He misses way to many easy things. Catches, blocks, etc. He loses focus. And that might be due to the fact that he is wanting/trying to make the big thing happen, but the first step is making sure you can actually do the big thing before trying to make the big thing happen. I think he's got all the potential to be one of the best, if not the best. I like the guy a ton. He just needs to pull his head out of his ass, focus on the now and then let the talent take over. |
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Probably didn't want to re-sign Houston either. |
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Pay pass rushing OLBs, lockdown corners, WRs, defensive linemen like Bailey and Howard, and be forced to overpay for OTs because that's the market. Tight ends are a luxury item. We saw full well how paying to keep a top 3 tight end around worked out the last time. |
Travis Kelce is like a female version of Gronk
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Our lack of playoff success over the past 23 years has little to do with Tony Gonzalez. Don't be ridiculous. |
dude needs to stop looking in the mirror and start looking the ball into his freaking hands.
cost us 10 points yesterday which would kill us in any playoff game. Dropped a super easy catch at what the 15 yard line on 3rd down, so we try a FG from way further out than would/should have been the case and then we miss it. Now, we may even score a td on that drive if he catchs that ball. Then on the very next drive, he's blocking in the back while our rb is streaking down the sidelines for a td? He could be all world but to defend his play this year is beyond homer boner. Dude has dropped too many balls, fumbled too much and to many penalties to be a top 5 te! |
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Defensive guys you pay to keep around are pass rushers, corners, and interior DL or LBs depending on alignment in that order. |
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Those positions are certainly weighted more heavily but you draft who you want and make the determination as to what they're worth when the time comes. We don't have any tackles worth a hefty contract, nor do we have any receivers commanding top dollar besides Maclin. We do have a TE now who, depending on how much he's asking for, could be worth a nice-sized contract in a year or two. |
You shouldn't underrate the TE position so much anyway. A great all around TE can be invaluable to an offense.
Is there any more valuable non-QB offensive player than Gronk? Maybe Adrian Peterson. I'd take Greg Olsen, Tyler Eifert or Travis Kelce over a lot of 3rd tier WRs. |
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You're insane if you value WR over TE. Seriously. WRs are the ultimate shiny hood ornament. |
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People been Chiefs fans so long they think wide receiver is an obsolete position. . haha |
He catches 3/4 of his targets and has amazing YAC. Blocking effort is awesome. He either cleans up his mistakes or he moves his contract down to lower end tier 1 level. It's that simple.
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Contracts tell you everything you need to know about the value of certain positions. WR>TE.
Of course a New England fan would argue for the merits of having a TE over a WR.. Good question for Asterix: would you take 2015 Gronk or 2005 Randy Moss? |
Who is the idiot that says he is like Gronk? The only thing that is like Gronk is the position he plays, uni number and skin color.
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Have the last Super Bowl winners had an elite WR? Pats, Seahawks, Ravens, Giants ? |
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So let's start with this -- assuming he is healthy (which isn't always the case of course), there is NO WR in the NFL I would take right now over Gronk for a single "must have it" game. Not Antonio Brown, or Megatron, or LBJ, or anyone else. The reason is simple -- Gronk is not only a dominant receiver, he is also a dominant blocker when at his best. He's also the greatest receiving red zone threat in NFL history. And i have simple proof for that one -- he has the highest TDs per games played of any receiver since WWII. Quote:
2005 Moss versus 2015 Gronk? Perhaps the most dominant WR ever versus the most dominant TE ever? Hell, give me either one, I'll be happy. |
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Gronk has played his entire career with a HOF QB. That's not exactly a fair comparison.. What kind of numbers would Moss have put up had he not wasted so much of his prime years in Oakland? |
It's extremely hard to judge a WR/TEs true ability when he's playing with a HOF QB.
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Antonio Brown put up average numbers when Roethlisberger was out for a few games.
Look at Demaryius now without Peyton. |
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:shrug: Jerry Rice had HOF QBs. Moss had excellent QBs by and large, including the exact same QB GRonk has, for a portion of his career. He only had two years in Oakland, but yes, obviously, take those away and his TD ratio is likely higher. I'll say it again, give me either one and I'm happy. |
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:shrug: That goes both ways. Brady without any WR threats wasn't that nifty in 2005, or after Gronk was hurt all the times he ended the season hurt. Man I'd love to have that 2011 Giants SB game to try with Gronk healthy. Argh. Oh well. |
Moss had two full seasons with Brady at QB and scored 36 TDs. That's averaging more than a TD per game.
Imagine a rookie Randy Moss with prime Tom Brady.. He certainly would have put up better numbers than Gronk and never dealt with injury issues like he does. I'll take Moss over Gronk all day everyday. I recognize the fact that Gronk can block well but I'd rather have the defense focus attention away from the center of the field. I think it'd open up a lot more opportunities for my offense. Prime Moss/Rice/Calvin Johnson > prime Gronk/Gonzalez/Gates IMO. |
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And seriously though these aren't you fathers TEs. They put up WR #s now and should be valued close to the same. |
So do you take Gronk or Beckham if you're a GM?
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and as a pats fan he should realize how important someone like eldeman is or maybe a better example would be David Tyree ;) |
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I think that's a fair question. Beckham just set the record for most receiving catches, yards and TDs (IIRC) of any WR in his first 25 games. He's pretty incredible. Gronk probably has a bit more sway on the outcome of a game but he's also got injury concerns and the aforementioned HOF QB issue. I'd really like to see how he does without Brady. |
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Never said WRs are useless. I think they are something of an unnecessary luxury. |
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WRs are definitely not an "unnecessary luxury," as you see top QB numbers/stats dip all the time when they don't have great receiving talent whether it's by injury or the lack of offensive weapons. |
Brady looks like dogshit without Edelman and Gronk
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Gronk (64) already has 5 more TDs than Witten (59)in their careers. Witten is considered by many to be a future H.O.Fer.
If both retired today, which one deserves it more? Witten is top 10 all-time in catches, but doesn't have any postseason success. |
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Witten's comparison is Heath Miller. Gronk's current comp is Jimmy Graham? Maybe? |
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That penalty on the FG kick could have cost us the game.
Bench his ass on the FG team!! Posted via Mobile Device |
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It was a nice play, nice catch. But .... he went down to make the catch and then roll over. He immediately flip the ball into the air and started celebrating. He's lucking the refs didn't say that it was incomplete because he didn't maintain possession through the ground. He just can't seem to help himself, he's an idiot. An athletic,physical,talented ..... idiot. |
He was at the table next to us at Q39...but he was leaving as we got here.
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It was a ticky tack call
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