Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12160850)

Being the best at your job means being healthy for the playoffs and HOLDING on to the ball.

90% of this board was convinced the season turned the night he fumbled away the donk game.

West and Ware salvaged the offense and just resigned for modest deals.

Love Charles, but it is what it is...time waits for no one.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12160853)

Really?



So the "best player" isn't important?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12160918)

Not when he's a RB.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12160618)

looser?

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12160926)

I remember the day with the RB WAS important.

Thank FF. Ruined the game.

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12160471)

The Kansas City Chiefs signed running backs Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware to contract extensions on Thursday, which could spell the end of Jamaal Charles tenure with the team.

In the wake of Charles being lost for the season to an ACL injury, West and Ware combined to rush for more than 1,000 yards in 2015. The 29-year-old veteran is expected to be fully healthy by the start of training camp, but Kansas City has reportedly entered into trade discussions with the Miami Dolphins regarding Charles. With LeGarrette Blount's days in New England numbered, could the Patriots pursue the Chiefs' all-time leading rusher?

The Patriots came into this offseason with needs at offensive line, wide receiver, and running back. To this point, the team has traded for OL Jonathan Cooper and signed wide receivers Chris Hogan and Nate Washington to replace Brandon LaFell. The team has also brought in UConn product and former San Diego Chargers running back Donald Brown on a one-year deal, but with big-name players like Arian Foster, Ronnie Hillman, and Charles on the roster, his roster spot is not guaranteed. With Dion Lewis recovering from his own ACL injury and no real "feature" back on the roster, Charles would be worth taking a flyer on at the right cost.

Talks between the Chiefs and Dolphins have resulted in Kansas City trying to move running back Knile Davis rather than Charles, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports. Salguero goes on to say that this is in part due to Davis requesting a trade after falling behind West and Ware on the depth chart last season, as well as Kansas City's hope that Charles can rebound from his reconstructive knee surgery. The Chiefs would need to be "blown away" with an offer for Charles, and Miami does not appear to have the resources to do so, according to Salguero.

Whether the Patriots have or would be willing to part with a significant package for Charles is unknown to this point, but it could happen. New England sent a second-round draft pick to the Cincinnati Bengals running back Corey Dillon back in 2004, who also happened to be 29 at the time of the deal. The Patriots already showed they were willing to deal impact players when they shipped Chandler Jones to the Arizona Cardinals, and they could use the second-round pick acquired in the trade to acquire a new running back. Since Dillon joined the Patriots, Bill Belichick has been hesitant to invest in other big-name running backs.

Charles signed a two-year extension to keep him in Kansas City through the 2017 season, but a laundry list of injuries could make the Chiefs opt to go with younger, cheaper legs. Given the remaining money owed to Charles, the Patriots may need to restructure his deal in order to make it work, but that is common in the NFL today. Not only could the Patriots strike gold if Charles returns to his old self, but as a traditional power runner, he is the prefect compliment to the pass-catching Dion Lewis.

Charles ran for 364 yards and four touchdowns on 71 attempts last season before his injury.

The entire article with some bolded stuff.
All OPs should include the entire article IMO.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12160838)

Not really. He led the entire league in TDs in 2013 and was, IIRC, second or third in total TDs in 2014 despite missing a couple games.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12160918)

Not when he's a RB.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12160434)

So now we're starting threads based on opinions from random fans of other teams?

If other sites follow suit, it will only be a matter of time before there are dozens of threads on dumb****.com based on the opinions of BEP.

Get this stupid shit out of here.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12160694)

I think to describe Charles as a slasher and cutting is off the mark.

His game is about speed and burst, though he does have a little more power than he's given credit for.

He doesn't make people miss.
He finds a seam and hits it.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12160975)

Yea 2013 was his last year of truly ELITE production

2016 - 2013 = 3

entering 3rd year since his last elite season.

2014 was hardly elite production, you don't get that season, Chris Ivory put up those stats this year for goodness sake. And by missed a couple games you mean he missed 1 lol

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12160946)

If New England gives them a 2nd rounder for Charles, I think you've got to take it.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161015)

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161038)

Who cares?

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" league and Charles never led his team to a playoff victory, let alone, a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs won 11 games and a playoff game without him.

Chill.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161015)

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161015)

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season
Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12161046)

I already said you get his 3 elite years: 2010, 2012, 2013.

No other year was ELITE 2nd MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON THIS TEAM TYPE PRODUCTION

you don't get 2014. I'm sorry but 206 carries 1033 yards and 9 touchdowns is not 'elite.' Handful of RBs do that every season, and yes, Chris Ivory just did that exact season in 2015 (he had 247 carries 1070 yards and 7 touchdowns) Which proves it's a dime a dozen RB production, not elite. You want to add in Charles's receiving touchdowns which gives him 14 total that's fine, but you're really arguing because he finds the endzone he's elite. I don't really buy that, touchdowns are flukey.

But here's where you lose since you add his total touchdowns to his "elite production" argument.

2015: 232 carries 1037 yards 12 touchdowns

THAT'S SPENCER WARE AND CHARCANDRICK WEST PRODUCTION IN WAY LESS THAN GAMES. So if you're arguing that 2014 was elite production for Charles well then West and Ware just did that exactly in 2015, so really there is zero drop off in elite production, which further proves why Charles is not that important.

You're "ELITE" Charles production is LITERALLY +2 touchdowns from what West and Ware can do. That's not what I consider most important at all. When I think most important I think of going from 15-20 sack Justin Houston to less than 10 sack Dee Ford+Tamba Hali or 1000 yards Jeremy Maclin to whatever the hell Rod Streater, Albert Wilson and Chris Conley can scrum up together.

or Travis Kelce's 900 yards from the TE spot to who the hell knows what's behind him.

or Marcus Peters 8 ints to what in the world would be our LCB if he went down?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161050)

LMAO

Priest has double the TD's. Charles best year was 12, Holmes 27.

Priest had a 21 TD season, too.

Stop with the fanboy nonsense.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161050)

LMAO

Priest has double the TD's. Charles best year was 12, Holmes 27.

Priest had a 21 TD season, too.

Stop with the fanboy nonsense.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161053)

Of course I'm going to add in his receiving totals. The ****? Do receiving TDs count for less than rushing TDs?

Ivory's 2015 season isn't nearly as comparable to Jamaal's 2014 as you're making it seem. It took him 40 more carries to get 40 more yards and he still ended up with like 7 less TDs on the year.

Oh, and you're doing the exact same shit Dane is by the way. I never argued that JC was the most important player on our team. I just said he's the best, meaning no one performs their position's duties as well as he does, except maybe Houston.

Ware and West contributed similar production when Charles went down but it generally took them a lot more carries to do so while also facing inferior competition. Neither Ware nor West give you nearly the bang for the buck that Charles does.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161056)

And Priest was ****ing incredible during that 3-year stretch. You're being disingenuous anyway. Charles' best season was 19 TDs (in only 15 games, by the way).

But it doesn't matter once again. You're arguing a totally separate point.

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 12161054)

Would have love to seen Charles with that offense!

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161074)

Why? He still would have torn both ACL's.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12161065)

I literally just proved to you that Ware and West did Charles "elite" 2014 production in less games and youre counter was they take more carries to do it? What?

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161080)

Lolwut?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161157)

Your username should be changed to ThaBias

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12161004)

Hey at least it's a football thread. We could have more gems like "hands free orgasms, one of my balls is bigger than the other" and shit like that.

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12161211)

Behind that '03 OL Jamaal rushes for 2,500 yards easily.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161171)

You can't say that he would have torn his ACLs had he been with a different organization LMAO Come the **** on..

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161218)

Oh good ****ing god

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12161244)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ed-like-to-see


Reading some comments on NFL.com saying Charles is not a top 50 RB or Top 20

Amy wrote
Anthony W Hinds Right now today Marshawn Lynch,Le'Veon Bell, DeMarco Murray,Eddie Lacy,Jeremy Hill & AP . All time.... thats way to long of a list he would not be in the top 50 all time .If he retired today he would not even have the numbers to go into the HOF .

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12161383)

Was there anything to this rumor?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161219)

It's his BODY, you dumb****

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12161383)

Was there anything to this rumor?

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12161429)

The rumor had April 1st so maybe an April fools joke.

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12161556)

Yeah, and it took most 9 pages of a thread to realize it.

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12160396)

Could be, but considering the date of the article, I'm very, very skeptical.

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 12161568)

Post No. 5, bruh...

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12161612)

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12161682)

Agreed. Especially if it can bring a 3rd pick or maybe even a 2nd. What Dorsey has to weigh is does this draft talent warrant giving up Charles or are we better keeping him. My guess is IF Charles is ever traded it might be on draft day if a player is there that they really covet either in the 2nd or 3rd rds.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161690)

I'll say this one more time: Matt Forte has better numbers than Charles, has never missed a season (let alone, two) with an ACL tear and the Bears couldn't find a trade partner.

He was released and signed with the Jets for 3 years, $12 million.

As usual, most Chiefs fans overvalue certain players (and of course, undervalue others).

No team is giving up a pick for Jamaal Charles.

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12161714)

You make a good point and Forte is a great all purpose yd guy like Charles. But there is big difference between Charles and Forte. Charles is ELECTRIC running the ball and doesn't need big holes. Charles has proved after his 1st ACL he was still electric and he will still be electric IMHO. I think we can at least get a third for him IF the opportunity is right for both sides and your point is well taken.

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12160623)

I remember when I was new and called out someone for saying "your and idiot"

Total face plant on my part.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12161740)

It's doesn't matter if he's "Electric" or not. Forte has been a more dependable player and has better numbers, yet the Bears couldn't find a trade partner.

No one is trading for Charles.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161389)

Does anyone want to explain this concept to Dane? I can't do it anymore..

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12161846)

He could have torn his acl 5 times with the Pats offense or 0. Different set of circumstances in every single play, so no way to know. His ACL wasn't destined to tear after x amount of plays, so playing in different games, different players, etc means you can't translate his injuries over.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161854)

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12161879)

I'm not sure why you're thanking him. By the same logic, your claim to the number of yards he'd have had running behind a different OL is equally speculative and useless.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12161892)

Stupidity just flows from your finger tips.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12161879)

I'm not sure why you're thanking him. By the same logic, your claim to the number of yards he'd have had running behind a different OL is equally speculative and useless.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12161879)

I'm not sure why you're thanking him. By the same logic, your claim to the number of yards he'd have had running behind a different OL is equally speculative and useless.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161898)

You're also an idiot but help me understand what you're talking about. I don't remember saying anything about anyone running behind a different line.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161171)

You can't say that he would have torn his ACLs had he been with a different organization LMAO Come the **** on..

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12161896)

Different games, different players, could have popped his ACLs, etc...


It's not my fault you're too ****ing stupid to see that those apply in both cases.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 12161906)

It was a general comment.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161810)

Dane's an idiot. That's a scientific fact.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12161846)

He could have torn his acl 5 times with the Pats offense or 0. Different set of circumstances in every single play, so no way to know. His ACL wasn't destined to tear after x amount of plays, so playing in different games, different players, etc means you can't translate his injuries over.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12161892)

Stupidity just flows from your finger tips.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161899)

My logic is undeniable, by the way. Just because he tore his ACLs here doesn't mean he'd have done so somewhere else.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12161909)

No, you stupid ****.

Speculating that someone would suffer the same injuries in different circumstances because of their body is sheer ****ing stupidity.

Speculating how a player with Charles' talent might perform with the support of some actual talent in front of him, while still only speculation, is at least an interesting discussion.

I'm not sorry that you're stupid.
I'm sorry that your mother was too stupid to swallow your dumb ass.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12161914)

Milkman is right. Charles has performed at an elite level under a multitude of different offensive philosophies, blocking schemes, QBs, and about a million combinations of OL. Speculating on how he'd perform somewhere else is actually a pretty safe bet.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12162567)

WRONG

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12162623)

You are just a big useless dick that has no real ****ing clue about anything.

You think if you scream and kick that everyone will just step in line with whatever you say.

I'm here to tell you it ain't happening, because you are just a louder moron that the rest of the morons.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12162555)

Bullshit