Hey! He throws a hell of an interception to!

Franchise QBs aren't worth the money but let's sell the farm for a Safety/CP

He's the most over-rated QB in the league.

He's coming off his WORST season.

And KC better pay the little talent that want's to stay and play...

Flawed due to Brady taking less than market...

What QBs would you take over him? I'm curious to see that list.

Point remains... 8 QBs in a league with 32 teams have owned the SuperBowl for the last 15 years.

On what do you base that? Would you rather have Luck than Alex Smith?

Being in the same division, I can confirm that the Dolphins, with few exceptions, are dramatically below average in talent across their entire team.

Tannehill has been significantly handicapped by this fact.

Agreed. I'd put him top half, probably in the 12-16 range.

You're missing the point. NO NFL team ever won the SB with the QB taking up more than 11.7% of the cap, except Young in the first year of free agency, so you can pretty much ignore that.

So if your QB is at, near and definitely ABOVE that number, you are really reducing your chances of winning a SB.

**WHY** do you think Brady has taken less than market?

If they both made the same amount of money then yes but with Luck's current contract I'd rather have Alex.

:spock:

Because he has a wife that is worth hundreds of millions in her own right? :shrug:

Actually, given how important winning it all is and given how much you can get in endorsements, I don't understand why elite QB's don't go the Brady route. (The salary, not just winning a championship with an elite spouse.)

What is the difference.. 5 or 6 million a year? Cap is what.. 150 mil?
You get about 3 percent more to spend with ASS11 as opposed to Luck.

I think I would disagree with you on this one.

Eric Berry

That makes it easier, certainly, but I'm pretty sure he'd do the same even without her. He craves winning more than $$.


Exactly right.

What about him?

I'd just like to chime in and say that Tom Brady is a cheating scumbag, and every one of his SB wins is tainted.

I suspect because there is no guarantee that taking less money gets you a championship. Not every team is the Patriots, who have a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl every year. Let's say you are Brock Osweiler (or if you want an "elite QB" put in Luck). You could take less money from Houston to make your team better. That's a fairly straight forward idea -- more money to spend on other players likely leads to a more competitive team. How much better does that make the Texans? How much more likely are they to win a Super Bowl? Even if he took half of what they offered him, I don't think they have any serious chance at winning a championship.

So now you made less money and still didn't win. You may also be looking at other players on your team making max money, because they don't care. That can't be fun.

Brady's reasons for taking less money are his own, and I don't know what they are. But if we're being honest, it's pretty easy for him to take less money. There are a laundry list of reasons. He's already made a lot. His wife makes a lot. He already makes a lot in endorsements. (And he's a handsome fellow, so that gets him a lot of endorsements other guys might not get.) He is on a perennial winner with an all-time great head coach. The Patriots will find other ways to compensate him. Et cetera.

I'm sure that will come up in his first ballot HOF induction.

If it doesn't, I'll be sure to chime in again. Patriots fans need to be reminded, apparently.

Sure, but also took a perfect storm of injuries and bounces.


I'd take Luck without batting an eye. Just shame he's got a drunk for an owner and an idiot for GM. Worse than Pioli. That's hard to do.

Good enough to have a lost a home playoff game to a team that had lost it's top 2 RBs, top CB, best defensive player and only deep threat if Dwayne Bowe would've learned to drag his ****ing foot.

Luck's a remarkably talented player that may prove to be the best QB in the league as early as next year. He's also never going to win shit with Grigson as his GM.

So what do I care how much money they spend on him? The Chiefs will be a better football team than the Colts for at least the next 3 years. The only thing that could save Indy is that shitshow of a division they reside in.

They still didn't get by Houston who went through many shit QBs. The team built in Indy sucks and that's on the GM

So anyone care to point out how Luck/Wilson comparison.... One is improving one isn't... Both of their offensive lines are horrible....

Sweet Jesus what is Andy Dalton going to get?!?!

Going to get?

:facepalm:

Dalton signed a 6 year $115 million dollar extension in 2014.

You're a ****ing drooling Mongo.

God your a prissy little ****, he's two years into his deal and has improved each year. FFS pull up your panties inbred

**** off, Moron.

He signed a SIX YEAR DEAL, ****ball.

Get lost in a forest and die in a campfire full of AIDS.

Hey Pussy.

:facepalm:

When will the mods ban your trolling ass?

You're a worthless **** rag.

So I'm guessing this is how you pull your panties up? You seem easy to piss off, is that because you are insecure?

You know it just dawned on me, Dane reminds me of the average Broncos fan

The **** are you taking about?

Hey ****tard, Dalton's contract doesn't expire until 2020.

You're seriously questioning what Dalton will receive in 2021?

Congratulations.

You're officially the dumbest mother****er on Chiefsplanet.

And you "remind me" of some of the dumbest ****ing people that have EVER posted on CP.

Keep up, Mother****er.

Dane has squirrels juggling knives in his brain.

As much as I love Russell Wilson, Luck would've been just as good on those teams. Luck would have won a super bowl as well.

You can't say that, I understand your thinking defense and all. But, Luck throws picks, Russel Doesn't

Aww..... You're just a angry little rascal aren't you. What are you going to do if I "Keep It Up", speaking of which is that what your wife begs you to do?

If you could have Cam, Luck, Rodgers or Wilson for the next 5 years, who are you taking?

I'm sticking with Wilson.

I'm taking Wilson, Rodgers, Cam, Luck

For the next 5 years? Rodgers or Cam. Probably Cam.

For me it depends on if Cam really turned the corner

He pretty much carried that offense all year to a SB. I don't know what corner he needs to turn.

Do it for more than one year?

I don't get why LeBron would push for a huge contact at this point either. Take a decent but not criminal paycut and fill in a team around him and win more rings.

4500 yards and 45 total TD's this year, 4000 and 30 last year.

I'd say he's done it pretty well for a few years, no?

Well, as we just saw this year, he can do both?

In 2014 He had 18 TD's Passing and 5 Rushing.. And adding rushing yards and passing yards isnt how it works.

If it was, then its Russel Wilson by a country mile. He is hovering around 59-60% completion his whole career

So, those total yards don't count?

Cam could be more accurate, but he's also been throwing to crap and trash so I'd probably give him a break there.

Wilson had a much better year throwing the football last year than any previous year he's had, so if anyone needs to show it another year from the pocket, I'd say it's Wilson.

The facts don't follow your argument tho,

https://s32.postimg.org/yr6eep3n9/Wilson.png
https://s31.postimg.org/bv6dxshzv/Cam.png

Give me Wilson

Wilson had his best year from the pocket last year, the facts support that.

Dammit Black Bob!

How many did Russell throw against GB in the NFC title game 2 years ago? Like 4?

Luck didn't play in 9 games and they still about the made the playoffs.

Everyone has a bad game..... Or I could retort How many did Cam throw in the superbowl?

I'm just saying, Wilson takes care of the ball. Luck didn't "DESERVE" this contract but I under why they had to do it.

I think Luck can be great, I just think hes way closer to a Bret Farve then he is to a Tom Brady.

Wilson has never missed a game after being hit a lot, he is the best mobile QB who makes plays on the run, he went on a 24 TD to 1 INT run in the 2nd half of the season with one of the 3 worst OL's in the NFL and no Jimmy Graham or Beastmode.

He also brought his team back from a 16 point deficit in the playoffs against Aaron Rodgers.

I'm taking him all day over the other choices.

Yes, but if you put luck in KC they wouldn't be able to keep Houston etc.

Denver wouldn't be able to keep Von Miller

etc,etc

You pay one player too much and it hurts the team.

We don't know how Luck's contract is structure yet but you can just say move him around and he'll be great. Just doesn't work that way.

THank you

Stated this before but will bring it up again: John Dorsey declined an offer to interview with the Colts in 2012.

Imagine if he took that job with Andrew Luck to start his tenure? Colts would be very different today.

I'm not so sure about that.

The Chiefs would be able to pay Houston but they probably wouldn't be able to pay Berry (which would be fine, as I think $11 million for a safety is crazy money). They may not have been able to give DJ and Hali each $21 million dollar contracts but they'd have been able to sign Schwartz and re-sign Howard.

The Seahawks paid Wilson an average of $21.5 million per year yet Seattle's lost no one of consequence.

Paying a QB $24.6 million a year would require smart drafting and scouting but I don't think it would "destroy" a team like the Chiefs.

Indy? Likely.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapo...s/andrew-luck/

$18.4 in 2016, $19.4 in 2017, $24.4 in 2018, $27.8 in 2019.

His contract doesn't really get nutty until 2019 and they could cut him with only $12 million in Dead Money. Considering the Salary Cap will be $30 million dollars higher, $12 million is negligible. His Dead Money would drop to $6 million in 2020.

I'd take Luck over Berry any day of the week, as I'm sure most people would.

Why were they down 16?

I don't think I would put Brock in that category. But let's stay with Luck. I'm sure he already gets some endorsements. If he takes less money, its not like it is Super Bowl or bust. Having a playoff team would still up his exposure for endorsements. He would have still been the first overall pick if he came out after his junior year. So money doesn't appear to be everything in his life. Also, doesn't Brady have some clause in his contract that if someone else on the team gets paid more, he could open his contract back up? Luck could do something similar.

Luck has been on bad to decent teams. I love Wilson he's my favorite non-Chiefs player.

No way in ****'s name would I take a bargain deal for a chance to win a Super Bowl

So I did a quick search on Luck endorsements.

davemanuel.com/net-worth/andrew-luck/

Given the blue chip companies that Luck has associated himself with, and given his rising stature in the NFL, don't be surprised if Luck's annual earnings from endorsement deals end up matching or even passing the size of his forthcoming contract extension.

If he only took 60~70% of his market value for his contract and his team went from 0.500 (or less) to playoff contender (and maybe some shot at the Super Bowl), wouldn't he be able to make up all that money with higher endorsements.

What am I missing? :hmmm:

Bragging rights about being the highest paid QB (on a sucky team)???

Versus bragging rights for having legitimate playoff/Super Bowl dreams???

Hell. If I was Luck, I would take a 10~20% pay cut just to go from a bottom third Offensive Line to top third just to cut down on hits and extend my career.

Wilson is a great QB but those Seattle teams were loaded with talent too. Luck never had a Lynch or a Baldwin or a defense to shut the other team down.

He wouldn't need to take a cut to get an oline if his gm knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

Ah, the 2012 draft....

(fart noises)

Andrew Luck - last 61 games

1,371 comp -- 2,366 att -- 57.9 % -- 16,667 yards -- 104 TD -- 67 INT -- 59.4 QBR -- 73.2 rating -- 25 fumbles

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Alex Smith --- last 61 games

1,183 comp -- 1,846 att -- 64.0 % -- 13,110 yards -- 85 TDs -- 26 INTs -- 58.9 QBR -- 99.3 rating -- 15 fumbles


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Yep. One is a young stud and the other is..."serviceable"!

Mmm....stability!

Surprised that Luck signed an extension. With Grigson somehow keeping his job, if I was Luck I would be counting the days till I could GTFO.

It would have been foolish to refuse that money.

Luck could suffer a career ending injury in 2016 and never have an opportunity like that again.

Exactly

When you look at it objectively, you have to understand that to be a real contender year after year, you need a franchise QB.

But you also need to have talent surrounding that QB on both sides of the ball.

The Pats are serious contenders, and find themselves in SBs so often because Brady take less than market value which allows Bellichick to build around him.

Drew Brees took a huge chunk of the cap, and the Saints have been mediocre or worse since.

Aaron Rodgers is the best in the league, but the Pack have not been able to advance since Rodgers got paid because they simply don't have the cap to keep enough talent surrounding him.

Pretty much, but what's the alternative? Let your qb (luck in this situation) walk? That would be tough to swallow.

In the end, it's all about acquiring cheap talent in whichever way possible

The Packers have done a poor job of drafting since 2010, when John Schneider left, which became even weaker after John Dorsey left.

Brian Bulaga, Derrick Sherrod and Nick Perry were their first rounders from 2010-2012, followed by Datone Jones and Ha Ha Clinton Dix. That's not exactly a bounty.

They've hit on some Day 3 guys, mostly in 2010 (Mike Neal, Morgan Burnett, Marshall Newhouse, CJ Wilson and James Starks) using Schneider's scouting reports but not very many since.

Ted Thompson is overrated.

Not every team is allowed to pay their QB under the table.

We'll never know as Hoodie will never coach Luck. But I think he could win some games with him!!

You build a team around him by drafting well and making good football decisions (which the Colts haven't done) They had him on his rookie contract, they should have brought in guys to try and "win now" while they where getting a break on the pay he was receiving. But instead they sqandered their opportunities, traded a first round pick for a guy who was a bust already. They've got a long road ahead of them, and it won't even start until they fire their GM. Maybe in a few years they'll clean house and bring Harbaugh in to coach.