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DL is probably a push. LB is probably a push. Secondary definitely took a hit with losing Smith, Branch and Abdullah, but we did draft several potential replacements; plus Gaines returns. Special teams could be improved with the addition of Hill. Gosh, I don't see how this team isn't better than our 2015 roster. |
I'd think working out with Maclin this off season we'd see some improvement from both him and Wilson.
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March will start next to DJ week 1, bank it
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Instead of killing megathreads, how about people just aren't ****rags when someone posts a piece of news that was buried in the megathread.
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Conley will probably be #2.
I honestly don't see Streater even making the team. I don't see why he would. There's been no evidence in the past two seasons to make one think he's worth a couple squirrel farts more than the garbage we've been trotting out there at WR spots #2-5 since the Vermeil era. Mike Williams is also on alert, but I think he stands a better chance of being able to contribute than Streater does. |
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Williams hasn't participated at all with the Chiefs due to injury. |
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I think it's pretty optimistic to assume the loss of Smith, Branch, and Abdullah will be offset by rookies and unproven players. Sure some young guys are likely to step up. Conversely some vets are likely to age/regress. I see the addition of Schwartz and return of Charles and Houston as upgrades, the loss of Smith, Abdullah, and Branch as downgrades. Pretty much everything else is an unknown. Significant growth from guys like Gaines and Conley can tip the scales. |
If Dee Ford doesn't step up and get heat on the QB then the defense will take a step back from last year.
He's the most important player on the team right now with Houston out. |
I've always said build your defense through the draft and plug and play solid vets on offense. I think Dorsey got my message. This keeps your defense with young fresh legs. Replacing smith Abdullah and Branch with draftees is good .
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Maybe a weekly thread? Or how about this... Whoever starts the thread updates it every day with a quote in the OP. The quote can automatically take you to the discussion that began on that day. |
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Morris was a bust because of injury, not because of talent or work ethic. Bowe was most certainly not a bust but he decided to eat himself out of the league 10 years after above average career. |
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I heard the Conley stuff, too, but I'm not sure how much of that was just the reporter's own conjecture or if it came from the team.
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I don't think he'll miss any time but I'd be worried about him being game-ready and building rapport with the new guys here. |
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That's harsh. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/plhXgz-52pQ/hqdefault.jpg "It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Homer." |
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No, that doesn't make him an idiot, and it's not what I said. Being TJ Carpenter and his recent history makes him an idiot. |
Stay put marshmallow homer. Rico, you're original AF.
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http://www.aux.tv/wp-content/uploads.../Lisa-Loeb.jpg "You say, I only hear what I want to." On the realz, though... So the guy is an idiot because he was born TJ Carpenter? Or is it because he has a "recent history," which comes off kind of like an oxymoron, in which you think morons are idiots (which you are correct, for the words "moron" and "idiot" are synonymous with each other). Either way, pretty harsh. You are pretty harsh about things... |
Rico, there are 3 kinds of people in this world. Dics, pussies and assholes. Dicks **** puss is and assholes shit on everyone.
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Well not much from him has changed so I'm not worried about that. If anything he's probably better conditioned now than he was a year ago. But he is 1 of 11. More specifically he's 1 of 4, sometimes 5 or 6. He needs to know how o work with the other DBs in order for this defense to reach its full potential. |
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People work under pressure every single day in this country, for high wages I might add, and kill it. Berry should be no different, especially given it's his choice to stay away, despite the the contract. |
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At least all of the other safeties will get plenty of work and we can see what we have there for this year and going forward. We have some young guys, a couple corner converts, and a guy that was a solid starter not to long ago in Brown all battling it out for a few spots. Going to be interesting to see how that shakes out. |
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That was in reference to him not getting the contact in. If he misses camp and preseason he may not be contact-ready and it could lead to injury or a slow start. I'm really kind of confused as to what you're arguing, though, which is why I asked why you'd think he wouldn't be. |
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That just won't work with Smith. |
Eric Berry is going to ****ing BALL this season.
Dudes got a massive ego and not getting paid is going drive him nuts. |
Kinda disappointing to hear Houston won't be doing any team work at camp.
For Reid to come out this early and say definitively that Justin will be in St Joe but won't be working is concerning. He basically said Houston is definitely gonna miss regular season games and that they don't know how many. I've said all along I think the most reasonable expectation is him returning after the bye and I still think that. I'll be in St Joe next Saturday and am excited to see the team work. |
Ehinger is the most technically sound G on the team and that's going to win him the job. He moves well and knows how to pull, which Andy does a lot with screens.
He's not the strongest guy right now, but he makes up for some of that with his understanding of the game and how to use his hands. I think he can be an average G this year who has some struggles with bigger DL. |
Cbs sports can be pretty lazy.
"Eric Berry returned from his battle with leukemia to make the Pro Bowl and be named a first-team All-Pro. In other words, he was still Eric Berry. We expect that to continue, assuming he eventually reports despite the fact that he didn't get a long-term deal." |
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I'd have no problem if KC made him the highest paid safety on a LTD...but the guy is demanding 12m per and 35m guaranteed. No way in hell is he worth that much money and if the cancer returns, that much guaranteed money would burn the team. |
Not too worried about the Berry situation. This is his contract year where he is playing for a historic safety contract, he will be preparing and training on his own and will be ready to impress. With his contract situation, of course he's going to skip out on what he can, because practice sucks.
Let the Chiefs go through this and establish who is going to be the leaders of the locker room and defense going forward without Berry being there, because that's something they are going to have to get used to after this year. |
Really, really, really disappointed in Berry honestly. Been one of my favorite Chiefs since draft day (and fave players before). Chiefs drafted him 5 overall despite all the pundits talking about positional value etc. Made him the highest-paid player at his position in history before playing a snap. To my understanding paid him in full and supported him 110% throughout his situation, not something every franchise would automatically do. Tagged him making him yet again the highest-paid guy, and willing to pay all kinds of money long-term. Understandably want some protection for themselves. And not only is he seemingly trying to squeeze every single cent out of KC, now he's not even being the good soldier and at least showing up at camp? On one hand I get the injury fear but, man, if that's the case he's gonna play scared -- which equals bad -- all year.
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The problem is that Berry wants a raise. He could take a pay cut over his last deal and still be the highest paid safety.
I love Berry, but for what he is asking I am finally at the point of saying just tag and release next year when he is 28. Let someone else commit to paying him 12 million when he's 32-33. |
2016 highest paid safety vs production
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Yeah....let me know when Earl Thomas and Eric Berry have the same responsibilities.
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John Dorsey has been able to find terrific values at safety every offseason.
Branch, Coleman, Abdullah, Parker... All 4 of those COMBINED don't make 12m in a year. Let him walk after this year and get a third round comp pick and replace him with someone else. I'd even back DJs idea to just rescind the tag and let him go while getting a comp pick in the 2017 draft. We would probably get a third rounder and could roll over the 10.8 million to next year. |
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That's probably what Dorsey is thinking here. |
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Berry is a difference maker because he is so much more versatile than any safety in the league. Sutton is able to get more creative with his situational packages because of Berry's ability to line up in so many different spots. The defense was pretty good without Berry and DJ in 2014 because Houston was blowing things up, but it could be great with a healthy Houston, DJ, and Berry. |
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no reason to rush JC. Let him get back to 100%
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We wouldnt be having this argument if Berry wanted to be paid as the best S in football. We're having this discussion because he wants almost 20% more than the highest paid safety in football. I think the dropoff from Eric Berry to a quality replacement is t worth the cost. |
All in all, I can see the situation where Houston, Berry and Charles not practicing is gonna help the team long term.
Dee Ford knows he's gonna be starting the season as a full blown starter, hopefully that forces him to step his game up and to make that jump we all hope to see. Eric Berry not being there is gonna be more opportunities for Murray, Cooper and Fleming to help the transition. Charles not being able to practice right away is gonna help Ware, West and Reaves. |
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I prefer Jamaal not to participate in preseason but I am a bit worried about keystone players not getting accustomed to the contact prior to the start of the season. KnowMo's a little shit but he's not entirely wrong.
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Day 1 of camp, I see we're already ****ed. That didn't take long.
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I know it's early to jump off the cliff, but ****ing hell can we not just be all healthy and ready to go into the season?
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Other than Houston, everybody is on track to be out there week 1. Berry and Charles are the only other guys that wil be missing camp. If Gurley didn't need to participate in TC as a rookie, I'm sure Charles will be fine. Berry will be motivated and 100%, not to mention he's still better off than he was last year coming off of chemo. |
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http://m.chiefs.com/s/30852/322?item...85551145123142 Sounds like Gaines and Murray both had good days today. |
Tyreek Hill, Parker Ehinger and Eric Murray will play a lot this year.
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