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mdchiefsfan 08-13-2016 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12367436)
Was there an issue with how Sutton coached the playoffs? I thought the defense played pretty well for a team missing their star pass rusher. But I can't really remember.
I don't like how Sutton tends to go into his shell with high caliber QBs. He tries to rush 3 or 4 while dropping the rest and gets carved continuously. The Chiefs' strength is in their pass rush. If the opposition neutralizes it, so be it, but when your DC does it for them, it gets frustrating.

TLO 08-13-2016 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367245)
OFFENSE:

QB:
1. Alex Smith looked like Alex Smith. He made a great play, in which he scrambled, bought time and threw a bullet to Maclin on the 1/2 yardline. The offense was sharp and efficient. He made some great throws to Ross Travis and D. Harris.

2. Nick Foles did a decent enough job but his accuracy was an issue (which has been described by Paylor during TC). He's got a command of the huddle but he needs time to create some chemistry with the receivers.

3. Tyler Bray was Tyler Bray. 2 for 9 at one point. Terrible decision making, bad throws but one beautiful sideline throw to Rod Streater.

4. Aaron Murray was sharp and efficient. His arm looked much stronger this year and he had a few bullets to Da'Ron Brown that were right on the money.

5. Kevin Hogan was disappointing. For all of the positive reviews of OTA's and minicamp, he looked lost. He consistently threw behind his receivers and looks like a Practice Squad guy.

RB's
Spencer Ware picked up where he left off during the regular season. He looked strong, quick and powerful. Charcandrick West showed his typical burst and played well. Knile Davis was fairly ineffective and Darren Reaves clearly outplayed him.

WR's
Maclin was his usual impressive self. Streater had a great catch but missed on a long gainer. Hill was targeted 4 times but only came away with one catch, as they were pretty poor throws. DAT had three receptions and made the most of his opportunities. Da'Ron Brown and Mike Williams each had a nice grab with Murray but otherwise failed to impress. Chris Conley was invisible.

TE's
Harris made a couple of great grabs while dropping another. Ross Travis made a great catch and really looks like he'll be a weapon this season along with Kelce and Maclin

OL:
Best starting offensive line performance in more than a decade, IMO. Solid from left to right. The second team offensive line did pretty well, too. Fulton was solid and Sterup looks like a guy that could become a solid swing tackle. I'm not sure they slip him through waivers now. The 3rd teamers were pretty rank.

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The bottom line for me is that there's a HUGE dropoff between Smith to Foles and Murray and even steeper from Murray to Bray & Hogan. The second team line was good enough. The TE's look like a strength and there's depth at WR, although it's hard to rank them at this point because they haven't all played with Smith but at this point, Maclin and Streater look like the two best receivers.
Nice summary, Dane.

Frosty 08-13-2016 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12367428)
Forgot to mention, the Chiefs preseason broadcast sucks. The new guy is annoying and Trent Green doesn't know when to shut the **** up. I also don't like all their bullshit "filler" like the interview with Donovan and the BJ Kissel garbage while the 2nd string is playing. Save that shit for the 4th qtr.
I was forced to watch the Seahawks' broadcast and those guys were terrible too. Apparently, every third stringer on that team is destined for the HOF. Zzzz

Also, some pretty backhanded comments about Arrowhead. Said several times how it was the loudest stadium outside of Seattle. Also talked about how Seattle's stadium next Thursday night was guaranteed to not have all the empty seats they saw today at Arrowhead and they were surprised because they thought the Chiefs had better fans. Also laughed about how the Chiefs won their first postseason game in 22 years last season and Russell Wilson already had seven postseason wins (which is unfortunately true).

chiefzilla1501 08-13-2016 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12367464)
I don't like how Sutton tends to go into his shell with high caliber QBs. He tries to rush 3 or 4 while dropping the rest and gets carved continuously. The Chiefs' strength is in their pass rush. If the opposition neutralizes it, so be it, but when your DC does it for them, it gets frustrating.
Doesn't bother me too much. There's a reason teams don't blitz Peyton and Brady. I think blitzing is a bit overrated, just like the deep ball. There are times to use it and times not to. I don't think our D played terrible against NE given that Houston didn't play. Brady with a healthy Edelman and Gronk is going to carve up a lot of teams.

CapsLockKey 08-13-2016 11:26 PM
Finally just watched it on DVR. 1st team offense looked good. I like our starting oline. Don't recall the last time I saw Smith have that clean of a pocket for that amount of time on the pass to Maclin.

Dee Ford looked like his previous lost self. Dadi Nicolas looks like a potential gem. Moses also looked good.

Bray looks like the exact same guy we saw two years ago. Has no touch on short passes, might as well cut bait. Smith, Foles, Murray (who had a nice game) with Hogan on the PS at this point.

Knile still the best KR but Hill may push him. Also thought Hill showed some promise as a receiver.

Didn't notice if Robinson was even on the field other than for a KR but was overall impressed with the draft class. The depth on this team showed well, particularly dline. Other than the fluke hail mary drive at the end the Chiefs pretty much controlled the game in my opinion.

Also Santos was outstanding.

ThaVirus 08-13-2016 11:37 PM
The first-string OL looked great. They were opening up huge holes and getting a lot of push in the running game. Jamaal Charles behind this line could be something special. They were also giving Alex a lot of time. I was most impressed with that unit.

The younger players in the secondary were concerning. Cooper was his usual self, just a day late and a dollar short. Nelson seemed to be the most targeted and they had a lot of success against him.

Run defense also looked weak but we're missing 3 All-Pros/Pro Bowlers so I'll wait to start pulling my hair out.

BlackOp 08-13-2016 11:43 PM
Let's not forget...Seahawks will likely be one of the top NFC teams. Potentially in the SB...

It's not like they were playing the Bears...preseason or not.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12367569)
The first-string OL looked great. They were opening up huge holes and getting a lot of push in the running game. Jamaal Charles behind this line could be something special. They were also giving Alex a lot of time. I was most impressed with that unit.

The younger players in the secondary were concerning. Cooper was his usual self, just a day late and a dollar short. Nelson seemed to be the most targeted and they had a lot of success against him.

Run defense also looked weak but we're missing 3 All-Pros/Pro Bowlers so I'll wait to start pulling my hair out.

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ThaVirus 08-14-2016 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367578)

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staylor26 08-14-2016 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12367589)
LMAO

You bought that just for this season, didn't you? :D

DaneMcCloud 08-14-2016 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12367589)
LMAO

jaa1025 08-14-2016 01:28 AM
Bray wasn't as bad as people made him out to be. His line sucked but his receivers were worse. Dropped two big passes for big yards.

He looked awkward throwing a swing pass though.

DaneMcCloud 08-14-2016 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 12367622)
Bray wasn't as bad as people made him out to be. His line sucked but his receivers were worse. Dropped two big passes for big yards.

He looked awkward throwing a swing pass though.
LMAO

He was 3 for 9

milkman 08-14-2016 06:20 AM
I am rewatching the game now, and will be making some observations as I go.

First, the right side of the line with Swartz and LDT were dominating in both run blocking and pass pro, and on Ware's second carry behind those two, if Kelsey could have gotten his man blocked, Ware would have busted for a huge gain.

LDT looks like he has again made huge strides.

Parker Ehinger has looked solid, but he did whiff on his block that forced Smith into a scramble and his only incompletion, which was a good, and Smart play by Smith.

On the third down pass, the line gave Smith time in the pocket, and he did have Maclin open early, but he would have been short of the sticks,

Smith, IMO, showed good pocket awareness and began to move at just the right time.

Wilson did come open in the EZ as Smith is running to his left, but there is no way he should ever attempt to make that pass.
That's not even a pass Rodgers should be attempting to throw.

And, FTR, Maclin's left foot was touching the turf as he caught the pass, so the left foot OOBs was his third foot touching, so it was a legitimate completion.

milkman 08-14-2016 06:33 AM
Another couple quick notes.

On Ware's third carry, a 3rd and short that he converts for a first down, LDT pancakes his man.

On the TD, the OL gets a great push, and Zach Fulton was lined up at TE next to Fisher.

milkman 08-14-2016 06:46 AM
On defense, the DL is just getting pushed off the line, and Steve Nelson is giving all kinds of cushion.

Marcus Cooper should be moved to safety full time.

Chris Jones makes an impact from the very first snap after he subs in.

Mav 08-14-2016 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367412)
https://mobile.twitter.com/RMarshall...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Late breaking injury report:

Alex Smith Jr. may be concussed.

Not on Twitter - don't know how to embed - don't bitch.
Worth a view.
Spoiler: brief appearance by Alex Smith's hot wife.


That was awesome [emoji23]


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milkman 08-14-2016 06:57 AM
After two possessions, this OL looks as good as it has in years.

Seahawk DBs were giving Tyreek Hill ten yards of cushion.

Demetrius Harris looks to be a better route runner than in the past, but he did have the drop on a bullet from Foles.

Kman34 08-14-2016 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367650)
I am rewatching the game now, and will be making some observations as I go.

First, the right side of the line with Swartz and LDT were dominating in both run blocking and pass pro, and on Ware's second carry behind those two, if Kelsey could have gotten his man blocked, Ware would have busted for a huge gain.

LDT looks like he has again made huge strides.

Parker Ehinger has looked solid, but he did whiff on his block that forced Smith into a scramble and his only incompletion, which was a good, and Smart play by Smith.

On the third down pass, the line gave Smith time in the pocket, and he did have Maclin open early, but he would have been short of the sticks,

Smith, IMO, showed good pocket awareness and began to move at just the right time.

Wilson did come open in the EZ as Smith is running to his left, but there is no way he should ever attempt to make that pass.
That's not even a pass Rodgers should be attempting to throw.

And, FTR, Maclin's left foot was touching the turf as he caught the pass, so the left foot OOBs was his third foot touching, so it was a legitimate completion.
Hopefully this oline group stays healthy .... Could be the strength of the team ...Can't believe I'm saying that...

milkman 08-14-2016 07:18 AM
Everyone is expressing concern about Dee Ford, with good reason.
We need him to show up, and hasn't in this game.

But I also want to know where the hell is Ramik Wilson.
That guy wearing #53 out there disappears after the ball is snapped.

Frank Zombo is still a solid backup.

Kman34 08-14-2016 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367674)
Everyone is expressing concern about Dee Ford, with good reason.
We need him to show up, and hasn't in this game.

But I also want to know where the hell is Ramik Wilson.
That guy wearing #53 out there disappears after the ball is snapped.

Frank Zombo is still a solid backup.
I'm out of town and DVRed the game but it sounds like Chris Jones had a big impact... Maybe putting him next to Dee would more sack options....

Coach 08-14-2016 07:26 AM
Looks like everyone got out of this game with no injuries, which you can really ask for at this point as well.

mcaj22 08-14-2016 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367674)
Everyone is expressing concern about Dee Ford, with good reason.
We need him to show up, and hasn't in this game.

But I also want to know where the hell is Ramik Wilson.
That guy wearing #53 out there disappears after the ball is snapped.

Frank Zombo is still a solid backup.
Wilson does not look good. Missing tackles, stutter stepping, getting flushed out of the run. I'm not sure if that's on the d-line or he's completely lost.

The guys that came in after him looked a little better. I'd like to see March or Alexander run with the 1st instead and see how they fare.

milkman 08-14-2016 07:34 AM
Nick Foles is nice addition to back up Smith, but please, don't ever run a read option with him ever again.

Ross Travis is a lumberjack with good hands, but Demetrius Harris is such a good blocker, he needs t be the second TE in two TE sets.

There are a couple of O-Linemen that will get cut who might end up as starters for another team.

Given where this line was just two years ago, that is an amazing thing to think about.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 08-14-2016 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367650)
I am rewatching the game now, and will be making some observations as I go.



Wilson did come open in the EZ as Smith is running to his left, but there is no way he should ever attempt to make that pass.
That's not even a pass Rodgers should be attempting to throw.
I thought the same too. With the pressure that was closing in on him there's no way he could have turned his body and set his feet. Plus at the point he and Maclin were on the same page when he saw Maclin change his route and moved north leaving his defender behind him

milkman 08-14-2016 07:49 AM
Initial impression is that Tyreek Hill and Rod Streater are the best receivers on this roster not named Jeremy Maclin.

Bray hasn't looked good, but to be fair, there were a couple of passes that his receivers should have caught, most notably the swing pass to West.

Cairo Santos is going to win a couple of games with his leg.

milkman 08-14-2016 07:56 AM
Chris Jones just keep getting penetration and pushing the pocket.

Desmond Moses flashes from one play to the next.

RunKC 08-14-2016 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367650)
Parker Ehinger has looked solid, but he did whiff on his block that forced Smith into a scramble and his only incompletion, which was a good, and Smart play by Smith.
Ehinger had a nice pull on Ware's first run. Took Bobby Wagner out of the play and created the hole.

milkman 08-14-2016 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12367699)
Ehinger had a nice pull on Ware's first run. Took Bobby Wagner out of the play and created the hole.
Oh yeah, that was a thing of beauty to watch.

I was dubious abut Ehinger as a starter out of the gate, but he looks like he's ready.

That whiff was just a rookie that got juked by a smart vet.

I only pointed that out, though, because I thought Alex Smith looked sharp, and the decision he made to just get rid of the ball was smart, which is an undervalued aspect of his game.

With this line, Smith could have a big year, relative to his previous seasons.

threebag 08-14-2016 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper (Post 12367478)
Nice summary, Dane.
You'll have to wait Billay gets to suck the stunt cock first.

Dunerdr 08-14-2016 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 12367459)
I miss Rachel Santschi...
This

milkman 08-14-2016 08:34 AM
Justin March picks up where he left off last preseason.

Nice 4th down stop by the Chiefs, made possible by Jones' penetration and Desmond Moses discipline, with March making the solid tackle.

Jones is not only big, strong, fast, and athletic, but smart too.

Great awareness on a screen play.

threebag 08-14-2016 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367591)
LMAO

You bought that just for this season, didn't you? :D
19" of viewing pleasure.

Mr_Tomahawk 08-14-2016 08:44 AM
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milkman 08-14-2016 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 12367733)
No, the best pass was easily the third down throw from Smith to Maclin.

threebag 08-14-2016 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367736)
No, the best pass was easily the third down throw from Smith to Maclin.
This

the Talking Can 08-14-2016 08:57 AM
caveat: i was smoking durban poison during the game

rando observations

Foles: Immediately obvious why he was signed, he knows - literally - how to be an nfl QB and no one else on our roster does. I don't know how much Reid can fix him, but I'm sure he can turn him into a perfect backup.

Bray: Yeah, enough.

Murray: looked better but I still don't see upside beyond backup. He's the #3.

Hogan: practice squad (like right now..go!)

Dee Ford: a faker...looks like a football player but isn't one

Ramik Wilson: had a rep at uga for being soft, his talents don't add up some how...no killer instinct, but fine as a last lb/special teams guy for now

Hill: human excrement...and also probably going to be very good, already looks shifty

Peters: A gigantic cock is his spirit animal

Spencer Ware: going to be a td (poaching) machine, and if charles falters ware will have a monster year behind this line

OL: pretty stellar for first look...pray for health

Offense: what else do you want? scored on first drive

Chris Jones: Agile, large man who flashed immediately. A rare thing. He and Poe came out of the skull of the same god

Hard to judge defense with so many pieces missing...worried about pass rush and run defense without houston...a healthy houston makes the front 7 absurdly talented, lets hope we see it before years end.

The overall roster talent is amazing and I hope we can move some guys for 5/6th round picks. DAT and Kniles can help teams.

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Coogs 08-14-2016 09:01 AM
I'd go with Murray's pass to Travis that was incomplete, and would have came back by the penalty if it was complete, that would have capped off a TD drive that also included 2 very impressive slant passes. Murray knew he was going to get planted, yet threw the pass on the mark to a player who was just in the process of coming open. Good read under pressure.

Edit: IMO, that was the best looking drive of the game. Would of been a TD if Travis would have hung on. Yes, penalty would have brought it back, but it is pre-season, and that would have been/was the best drive by any QB.

Again, JMO.

Beef Supreme 08-14-2016 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12367428)
Forgot to mention, the Chiefs preseason broadcast sucks. The new guy is annoying and Trent Green doesn't know when to shut the **** up. I also don't like all their bullshit "filler" like the interview with Donovan and the BJ Kissel garbage while the 2nd string is playing. Save that shit for the 4th qtr.
I hate the preseason bullshit in the booth. I'm still trying to put names with numbers and Mark Donovan is trying to justify $40 parking when they should be talking about what is happening on the field.

milkman 08-14-2016 09:27 AM
This team is going to cut some damn good players on the D-Line.

Williams, Nunez-Rochez, and David King all flashing.

DJ Alexander and Justin March are better than Ramik Wilson.

TEX 08-14-2016 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 12367288)
4th and 5th teams sucked. Hogan is a baddie.

1sts 2nd and 3rds looked decent to good.
IMO, not the run defense. The first team DL got pushed off the line and had real issues. As a result, LB's got eaten up in the trash. 2nd team looked solid. Lots of depth there so not really concerned.

Dee Ford looked lost. Ought to be real concerns there.

I know Gains didn't play, but he needs to be ready to play when it's time. Not sure we have another legit #2 CB candidate.

milkman 08-14-2016 10:20 AM
DJ White needs to get some first team reps ahead of Steve Nelson.

ThaVirus 08-14-2016 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12367730)
19" of viewing pleasure.

In my pants

BossChief 08-14-2016 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367838)
DJ White needs to get some first team reps ahead of Steve Nelson.
I was very impressed with him at camp.

Coogs 08-14-2016 10:59 AM
Another interesting play for me was a 3rd and 3 play from our own 33 yard line at the 13:30 mark of the 2nd quarter. Foles made a nice pass to Harris to pick up the 1st down on the play. That is not the interesting part of the play for me though. Check out the top of the screen. That is Hill lined up on the outside, with no help over the top. Hill is pulling even with the CB by the 37-38 yard line and going past him by the 40. The pass is just coming out at that point, but the CB does not know that and is still running with Hill with his back to the QB. By the 45, Hill had a full step on the CB. A pass over the top, and that is a TD.

Easy 6 08-14-2016 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 12367780)
IMO, not the run defense. The first team DL got pushed off the line and had real issues. As a result, LB's got eaten up in the trash.
That was spooky, but after a good nights sleep I'm honestly not too concerned

It was just a bad showing, theres no way Bailey, Poe and Howard consistently look like that... it'll get tightened up

Chief Northman 08-14-2016 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12367916)
That was spooky, but after a good nights sleep I'm honestly not too concerned

It was just a bad showing, theres no way Bailey, Poe and Howard consistently look like that... it'll get tightened up
Let's give the Seahawks credit too. They might have the best running back stable in the NFL, right up there with ours. Tom Cable also knows how to scheme the run game and gets the most out of his linemen. Good physical test for the Chiefs front and linebackers.

The Franchise 08-14-2016 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367926)
Let's give the Seahawks credit too. They might have the best running back stable in the NFL, right up there with ours. Tom Cable also knows how to scheme the run game and gets the most out of his linemen. Good physical test for the Chiefs front and linebackers.
Rawls and Michaels are the best RB stable in the NFL? :spock:

Mav 08-14-2016 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367926)
Let's give the Seahawks credit too. They might have the best running back stable in the NFL, right up there with ours. Tom Cable also knows how to scheme the run game and gets the most out of his linemen. Good physical test for the Chiefs front and linebackers.


Let's not go crazy. Seattle has a decent backfield, but no one is close to Charles, Ware, and West.


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Easy 6 08-14-2016 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367926)
Let's give the Seahawks credit too. They might have the best running back stable in the NFL, right up there with ours. Tom Cable also knows how to scheme the run game and gets the most out of his linemen. Good physical test for the Chiefs front and linebackers.
Yeah, Cable is no joke as an O line coach, he always seems to have 5 maulers

Not sure about the statement regarding their backfield, though :)

staylor26 08-14-2016 11:33 AM
I think what Chief Northman was trying to say, or should've said, is that they have the ability to plug and play like us. They get production from whoever is back there.

mcaj22 08-14-2016 11:35 AM
that's because they still use a fullback and 47 TEs just like us to flush soft LBers completely out of the picture.

Easy 6 08-14-2016 11:37 AM
I will of course join the chorus of huzzahs for the O line, I knew they were going to be outstanding

The tiny screen I had to watch made it difficult to evaluate individual linemen consistently, but one thing did stand out... every single time I looked down the line with the first team, the right side was a Stone Wall, nary an inch of movement off the LOS

On the big pass to Maclin, Smith had all. damn. day. back there, I remarked in the game thread that he had time to drink a cup of coffee... just wait until they've had 4-5 games together :thumb:

Coogs 08-14-2016 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12367944)
I will of course join the chorus of huzzahs for the O line, I knew they were going to be outstanding

The tiny screen I had to watch made it difficult to evaluate individual linemen consistently, but one thing did stand out... every single time I looked down the line with the first team, the right side was a Stone Wall, nary an inch of movement off the LOS

On the big pass to Maclin, Smith had all. damn. day. back there, I remarked in the game thread that he had time to drink a cup of coffee... just wait until they've had 4-5 games together :thumb:
He had so long that the play we could have been flagged for linemen down field at the end. Looked like the right half of the line thought Smith was going to take off instead of bounce it out to the left.

RunKC 08-14-2016 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12367838)
Justin March needs to get some first team reps ahead of Ramik Wilson.
Fixed.

This is what really stood out. Wilson was finesse and March was aggressive and nasty.

Chief Northman 08-14-2016 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367941)
I think what Chief Northman was trying to say, or should've said, is that they have the ability to plug and play like us. They get production from whoever is back there.
Thank you sir.

I am referencing their ability to produce, and their depth at the position. Michael will be the main cog, but they have others that will contribute. Probably a top 5/6 running attack especially if you account for Wilson too.

Easy 6 08-14-2016 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12367951)
He had so long that the play we could have been flagged for linemen down field at the end. Looked like the right half of the line thought Smith was going to take off instead of bounce it out to the left.
And if they can do that to Seattle, they can do it to anyone

Coogs 08-14-2016 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12367975)
And if they can do that to Seattle, they can do it to anyone
It was impressive. The 3 linemen down field that wasn't flagged would be on Smith, not the linemen. Can't blame them. In the past, Smith would have taken off.

staylor26 08-14-2016 12:05 PM
If this OL is legit, Smith will finally be confident back there.

Remember how confident he was in the playoff game with out 2013 OL?

TigeRRUppeRRcut 08-14-2016 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367979)
If this OL is legit, Smith will finally be confident back there.

Remember how confident he was in the playoff game with out 2013 OL?
And that's considering he was throwing to a bunch of 3rd string talent WRs and Mcgrath at the time. With our tight ends, running backs, and Maclin it's a defensive coordinators nightmare.

I expect that our defense will get a lot of rest this season as our offense will dominate the time of possession.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 08-14-2016 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12367929)
Rawls and Michaels are the best RB stable in the NFL? :spock:
I promise you that Rawls + Michaels + Russell Wilson is just as good as our unit when both teams are healthy. Their 3 best vs our 3 best at the end of the day is a push. The only advantage we have is a more experienced OL, but even then the seahawks have had a bottom 5 OL for 4 years and they have dominated the run game.

Consider Lynch averaged 4.5 yards during his time with the Seahawks whereas Rawls came on to the scene > 5.5 ypc. Good luck to everyone else in the NFC west.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 08-14-2016 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12367930)
Let's not go crazy. Seattle has a decent backfield, but no one is close to Charles, Ware, and West.


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As much as I love Ware, there isn't anyone on our roster that can run like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZE1d_scQvg

ClevelandBronco 08-14-2016 03:02 PM
17 was good, 16 was bad.

Chiefshrink 08-14-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 12367168)
1st string seemed good

cut bray now

foles hasnt learned our offense yet

ware is a beast

um
You forgot to mention Ford will be carrying "Big Dadi's pads" in training camp from here on out.:D

Chiefshrink 08-14-2016 03:09 PM
Oh that Bob Sutton thing happened where he was impersonating Reid the last 2 minutes of the game "not being prepared". You know Reid can't manage the clock and Sutton can't manage the roster thinking he can still play with 12 guys on the field.:rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud 08-14-2016 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12368229)
Oh that Bob Sutton thing happened where he was impersonating Reid the last 2 minutes of the game "not being prepared". You know Reid can't manage the clock and Sutton can't manage the roster thinking he can still play with 12 guys on the field.:rolleyes:
Keep in mind that nearly every person on the field on the final play won't be on the opening day roster.

The players are responsible for making sure there are 11 men on the field. You can't expect the D coordinator to be held accountable when those dipshits can't count.

Chiefshrink 08-14-2016 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12368239)
The players are responsible for making sure there are 11 men on the field. You can't expect the D coordinator to be held accountable when those dipshits can't count.
I get your point BUT if this were an actual season game would you still give Sutton a pass ?

Otter 08-14-2016 03:43 PM
QB Depth Chart will be Smith, Foles, Murray</br></br>Dee Ford still looks like a dog chasing a car. He can get there but seems to have no idea what to do once he catches up to it.</br></br>Chris Conley disappointingly was invisible but I'm not getting too worried about it just yet.

ThaVirus 08-14-2016 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12368011)
As much as I love Ware, there isn't anyone on our roster that can run like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZE1d_scQvg

You must be talking about his specific running style because Charles has already proven himself to be more effective and Ware was actually even more productive than Rawls last season.

Chiefshrink 08-14-2016 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12368011)
As much as I love Ware, there isn't anyone on our roster that can run like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZE1d_scQvg
You are correct that he runs with a lot of "Piss and Vinegar" and strength which I like when we need that extra yard for sure.:clap:

Chiefshrink 08-14-2016 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12368407)
You must be talking about his specific running style because Charles has already proven himself to be more effective and Ware was actually even more productive than Rawls last season.
Charles best ability besides his speed and quickness to take it to the house is to get small when the o-line is having a difficult time opening up holes. West can bounce it outside very quickly and hit 5th gear almost immediately and is stronger than you think. Ware is deceptively fast and very strong and really enjoys the contact of running over people when he has to which is that "Piss and Vinegar" attitude I was talking about earlier.;)

DaneMcCloud 08-14-2016 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12368259)
I get your point BUT if this were an actual season game would you still give Sutton a pass ?
It wasn't a regular season game and to my knowledge, it wasn't happened in a Red Zone situation in three seasons.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-14-2016 07:34 PM
This team is llllloaded. Sucks about Dee though. We need TamHous to take the ship, but we have enough to firmly dispose od Denver.

TLO 08-14-2016 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12368573)
This team is llllloaded. Sucks about Dee though. We need TamHous to take the ship, but we have enough to firmly dispose od Denver.
:spock:

Pasta Little Brioni 08-14-2016 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper (Post 12368584)
:spock:
??? You don't think we are beating out Denver and that Tamba, Houston are essential if they want to make a SB run? Weirdo.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-14-2016 07:41 PM
Oh IMMEDIATELY fire the broadcast team...wow

Coach 08-14-2016 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12368259)
I get your point BUT if this were an actual season game would you still give Sutton a pass ?
If it was regular season, I would suspect the DC or HC would have called a time-out prior to the hail mary play and the 2 point conversion. I believe KC had 2 timeouts left at the time.

Rausch 08-15-2016 07:32 AM
All in all I was very impressed with game 1.

Once Hogan came in in the 4th I couldn't give a $#it and turned it off.

Both the 1st and 2nd team looked much better than I would have expected.

Ware is still a beast...

Rausch 08-15-2016 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 12368291)
QB Depth Chart will be Smith, Foles, Murray.
If we were still arguing no 2 or no 3 I'd say Murray then Bray.

Since this is likely for the 3rd (and last) QB spot I'd take Bray. Murray looked like a more "mature" and experienced QB, better suited for a no 2 role, but Bray's upside is much bigger.

Since we're talking about that 3rd spot I'd prefer that low risk/low cost/high reward situation...

Lzen 08-15-2016 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367245)
OFFENSE:

QB:
1. Alex Smith looked like Alex Smith. He made a great play, in which he scrambled, bought time and threw a bullet to Maclin on the 1/2 yardline. The offense was sharp and efficient. He made some great throws to Ross Travis and D. Harris.

2. Nick Foles did a decent enough job but his accuracy was an issue (which has been described by Paylor during TC). He's got a command of the huddle but he needs time to create some chemistry with the receivers.

3. Tyler Bray was Tyler Bray. 2 for 9 at one point. Terrible decision making, bad throws but one beautiful sideline throw to Rod Streater.

4. Aaron Murray was sharp and efficient. His arm looked much stronger this year and he had a few bullets to Da'Ron Brown that were right on the money.

5. Kevin Hogan was disappointing. For all of the positive reviews of OTA's and minicamp, he looked lost. He consistently threw behind his receivers and looks like a Practice Squad guy.

RB's
Spencer Ware picked up where he left off during the regular season. He looked strong, quick and powerful. Charcandrick West showed his typical burst and played well. Knile Davis was fairly ineffective and Darren Reaves clearly outplayed him.

WR's
Maclin was his usual impressive self. Streater had a great catch but missed on a long gainer. Hill was targeted 4 times but only came away with one catch, as they were pretty poor throws. DAT had three receptions and made the most of his opportunities. Da'Ron Brown and Mike Williams each had a nice grab with Murray but otherwise failed to impress. Chris Conley was invisible.

TE's
Harris made a couple of great grabs while dropping another. Ross Travis made a great catch and really looks like he'll be a weapon this season along with Kelce and Maclin

OL:
Best starting offensive line performance in more than a decade, IMO. Solid from left to right. The second team offensive line did pretty well, too. Fulton was solid and Sterup looks like a guy that could become a solid swing tackle. I'm not sure they slip him through waivers now. The 3rd teamers were pretty rank.

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The bottom line for me is that there's a HUGE dropoff between Smith to Foles and Murray and even steeper from Murray to Bray & Hogan. The second team line was good enough. The TE's look like a strength and there's depth at WR, although it's hard to rank them at this point because they haven't all played with Smith but at this point, Maclin and Streater look like the two best receivers.

This is the best evaluation I've seen so far.


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