Someone ban Clay already. For the love of God. Ban this douche.

Sorry, I thought this was a Derek Carr thread.

Then OTHER PEOPLE started talking about Alex Smith.

I chimed in.

Sue me.

They Never learn.

They are just as bad as him IMO.

So you admit that you are operating off a mult account after being banned from here. Trespass much?

Gotta go with this. And **** the Faiders!

You're a mult

A ****ing niner fan/Smith stalker calling for a ban? Despite Clay's multiple sins he's added more content tho this place than you ever could.

I'd take Carr over Smith you all are homers

Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.

This pretty much sums it up.

The Mods need to ban your stupid, trolling ass.

AGAIN.

how can you be overrated when you are barely entering your third year as a starting qb for one of the worst teams of the nfl for nearly a decade? He still has a lot of room and time to grow. Teams give up on players after two years is ridiculous and unrealistic. He has a top 10 arm, and a great leader - i'm biased as he's a hometown guy but I see him making a jump within the next two years. IF he doesn't, then I can understand.

You're a such a ****ing tool.

You predicted the Raiders with Carr would win a playoff game before the Chiefs.

**** off, Claynus. Just go the **** away.

Good luck.

He's a spineless twerp.

Same way Andrew Luck was proclaimed to be Top 5 after his sophomore season playing a bunch of scrub teams. So much hype.

probably throw 40 TDs this year

it's his time now

Well you are part of the tiny minority willing to defend Clay. Congrats. ROFL
Join him in his next ban and spare us from your miserableness

I've never been on the Luck hype train, even though he's obviously highly skilled.. he still has room to grow and he plays for a crappy franchise

**** fantasy football. That's the root cause of this.

haven't played it in years

Been saying this awhile. If he were a chief the lounge would be named after him. He has had a solid start to his career so far.

We've talked about this before... but Carr has a shot because who else is going to be good? In the next 5 years, who are the good QBs going to be? We're still waiting for a wave of young guys to take over from the Rivers, Brees and Romos of the world. Those guys are all at the end of their run. Carr's had a decent start to his career, and he has talent.

So it has long-term brain dead causes then

Andrew Luck set rookie records, led his team to the playoffs three times and one AFC title game.

More importantly, Luck had way more control of the offense than most rookies. He gets to run the offense. Most QBs don't get that kind of power. Bruce Arians said Luck was farther along in his first season than Manning was.

Fantasy football is not the root of this

his ADP is like 106. Round 8/9 or later. The guy isn't even good by fantasy football standards lol.

Good luck with that. The guy is the Trump of the football forum. He's been here 15 years throwing out all kinds of obviously disingenuous arguments, badly misused statistics and inflammatory comments just to get attention, then if they turn out to be wrong he just pretends it never happened and creates a different argument to distract you. It's never, ever going to change. He's not here to have a legitimate discussion. He's here to bring attention to himself. You have a better shot of beating Usain Bolt while riding a sloth.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Shut the ****ing **** up

LMAO

Carr is 6/9 for 23 yards 1 INT

let me be the first to say it before anyone else uses it as an excuse for the Chiefs

IT'S PRESEASON

You need flushed.

What happened to the sweet, little ode, "who me?, "clay who" charade???

Mods, what good is a perm ban if you let them come back?

86 this user.

Thank you!

And you'll always be a ****y troll.

Ban him

I disagree.

and you'll always be the ****iest mother****er around here, period

i love you

Park the Carr. Truth is though KC would love to have a young QB like him.

Carr reminds of Fitzpatrick. Pretty passes but deadly turnovers.

9/13 for 38 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT

You, as always, suck at watching football.

He won't make it through the season. He's a douche and Bob Dole doesn't tolerate douches for long.

as long as Dane is around here, CP will be swimming in douchewater

Please keep it up. The sooner you are gone the better. It was nice to have you gone and it will be better the next time.

I'm not the problem. As clearly evidenced in the thread, others started talking about Alex Smith. I countered with opinions of my own, making no personal attacks, and others responded by acting immaturely.

Way to **** up the thread, guys. Your own faults.

You are the epitome of immature. Always have been, always will. A tiger can't change his stripes. I'm guessing you are gone by week 4. Please provide me with a pleasant surprise and exceed expectations. Oh, and please stay gone this time. It's a much more pleasant place without you and your 24 some odd user names.

Why?

We don't have an elite defense without Houston. We may not even have an elite d with him. If Smith doesn't have an elite d KC won't do much damage.

It was never a perm ban in the first place.

Clay is great. Learn to love him. Life will be much sweeter.

Nick Foles.

May not ever start for us, but he's certainly Derek Carr-like.

Yup. Put Foles in that offense with that oline. Every QB would suck in LA with that offense

Your "he hasn't proven it yet" excuse to slow the hype on Carr is hilariously hypocritical considering your opinion on every unproven Chiefs player.

It's like talking football with a Jr high kid.

That's the "One Little Ship" episode of DS9, right?

For a terrible episode, it was pretty good

What the **** are you talking about?

First off, I said he hasn't arrived, as in he is not yet a top 10 QB, more or less a sure thing to be a top 5 QB down the line. He's proven he belongs as a starter, but that's about it.

Second, saying somebody like Ford can still develop into a solid player instead of declaring him a bust after just 7 starts is the same thing as saying Carr still has a ways to go before he can be considered a great QB? Context is everything you ****ing moron. I'm not even bashing Carr or saying he won't be a really good QB, just objectively pointing out that he regressed at the end of last season and hasn't yet arrived. I can say one young player that hasn't yet arrived is underrated while saying another is overrated. They don't contradict themselves when I'm acknowledging that both players can still develop into good or great players.

To be clear, I'm obviously not comparing Carr and Ford on the same level here. Carr has clearly already proven he belongs as a starter, while Ford has yet to do that.

Also, am I saying that Ford is already one of the best pass rushers? Or that Steven Nelson is one of the best corners? Conley one of the best WR's? Where's the ****ing contradiction here? When did I make definitive/bold statements on any of these guys?

The irony is, the only hypocrisy here is from dumb ****s like you. You'll pick apart every young Chiefs draft pick that hasn't proven themselves without giving them the propper time to develop, then turn around and crown somebody like Carr who objectively still has ways to go in their development.

What a dipshit you are.

I'd have to disagree with you and I think you've been here long enough to know his history. He started out as a nerdy troll. He spammed the board relentlessly on a holiday and got a short-term ban for it. He tried to reinvent himself as a football writer. When he failed miserably at that laughable venture, he returned to his pre-teen, millennial, hey please look at me, persona. It's become old. It's time to move on. The board is a better place without him. He's a monumental, attention whoring dick.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070619165229

Yeah **** Claynus. It's too late its over.

Some of us like having him here, n00b. WTF is wrong with his posts? How many user names have you had banned?

The number of people that can't resist taking Clay's bait is comical.

Again. This defense was NOT elite when Alex Smith got here. Go back and look. I was laughed at and mocked by suggesting Alex Smith helps the defense. Whether you like him or not, Alex's ability to control the game and not turn the ball over helps the Chiefs defense. Just facts.


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Barnwell on Derek Carr
 

Just gonna leave this here.


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Reminds me of when Herm had to break up the "circus offense" because they scored too quick and put pressure on the defense.

Admittedly I wasn't around for that


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Card is just lucky he's has that oline. He sucked under pressure in college.

Dude this guy named CLAY has been mentioned alot since I'v been here, and years before while I was a stalking these forums.

Who is this Myth, Legend?

Most of us don't like him. He's a douche.

I'm not taking bait. I'm telling it like it is based on years of watching his circus tricks.

People who don't believe that a good offense contributes to a better defense have never played sports. It takes significantly more energy to play defense cause you are guessing routes and then covering lots of ground chasing the ball carrier. An offense that can sustain a 5-10 minute drive does wonders in providing rest for the DB's and linebackers.

He has the worst under pressure rating in the NFL IIRC.

You are correct....
BUT an offense that can put up points quickly makes the other team 1 dimensional and lets pass rushers pin their ears back.

Talk shit, then avoid the argument. What a pillowbitergot.

but, but that was only like yesterday!:eek:

That is true as well, however..... A offense that puts up points too fast will really tire its defense out ala Chip Kelly.

Great example is the Dallas Cowboys in 2014. Everyone thought that defense was going to be WORST EVER. But because they could march 80 yards down field in 5-7 minute range their defense got time off.

Turns out the Defense looked alot better then. They are going to duplicate it this year with Zeke The Freak. (Or at least try)

I pretty much just take each poster for what they are and the ones I don't go on ignore. I still have almost the whole 49er bunch on iggy.

I find Clayton gives the board some burst and think he has matured a lot.

Good to see you back posting Jim.

this

Herm Edwards seal of approval.

Chip's teams didnt score too fast, they punted too fast.

Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith.

True, he did.

But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to.

So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had.

Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL.

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