Chargers Pull Best Contract Offer For Joey Bosa, Who Should Sign ASAP
by Nicholas Goss on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:32PM4,588

Joey Bosa needs to fire his agent and then immediately sign with the San Diego Chargers. The third overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft out of Ohio State is the only first-round pick to be unsigned as of Wednesday, and it appears as if that won’t change anytime soon.

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere. — Michael Gehlken (@sdutGehlken) August 24, 2016

The contract scale for rookies under the current collective bargaining agreement gives both sides a fairly good idea of what the final figure will look like. The Chargers were even going to give him the most first-year money of any 2016 rookie except the No. 2 overall pick. #Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 24, 2016

The Chargers released a statement Wednesday explaining this in more detail. Statement from the San Diego Chargers on defensive end Joey Bosa. pic.twitter.com/BayBGeN22x — San Diego Chargers (@Chargers) August 24, 2016

What happens if Bosa refuses to sign? Well, the Chargers cannot trade him right now because the deadline to trade his rights before the regular season has passed (it was Aug. 9). That means if there’s no deal, he just doesn’t play, and that’s an awful way to begin your career.

Missing games would be a bad look for Bosa on so many levels.

He’d be disrespecting his teammates (which he’s pretty much already doing right now), he’d be hurting his reputation around the league, the fans could begin to turn on him, and he’ll be behind when it comes to proving himself for a wealthy second contract.

By the way, Bosa has missed tons of valuable time with his coaches and in the film room during camp and the preseason. He’s not going to be prepared whenever he makes his debut, and it’s going to hurt his on-field performance.

This likely is a battle Bosa’s not going to win. He has no NFL pedigree, no Pro Bowl seasons or monster sack numbers to bolster his case. He’s just a defensive end who had a nice college career. Bosa must sign and do it soon. His entitled attitude is pathetic.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/08/chargers-pul...uld-sign-asap/

Probably because you're not explaining it very well. What aspect of his contract is different from other players in his draft slot since 2012? (which consists of all of 3 players by the way)

Wrong. I get it. I also get that I busted my ass to get to where I am. I get that I had to work my way up in life. He's a ****ing rookie and hasn't done piss. I can't believe all the other teams DON"T do what the chargers are doing. FFS, give me 17 million guaranteed when I'm 22yo, and I'll be set for life, as will my children and grandchildren. When is enough enough?

This. Couldn't have stated the lst paragraph better. This is my feeling exactly.

Are you insinuating that you didnt bust your ass to even be in the position you are in now? Because basically you are saying that all the work Bosa has done PRIOR to being drafted is nothing. Which, in your example, means that working your ass of in school, college, getting internships, etc. mean "you havent done piss."

i think everyone understands that the chargers are assholes

the issue is why is Bosa deciding to be a martyr about it?


he can sign a flawed contract and still get his money...or not sign, and be a martyr for a cause that no one asked him to fight for

If anyone doesn't understand, please read this article, free from the long arm of the NFL propaganda machine.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ntract-dispute



At the root of this thread is another whole subconscious issue.

I don't get people siding with management over "spoiled rich" athletes. It's like you compare yourself and your own work ethic and your own salary with an athlete's and it makes you mad because he should be happy to get all that money for playing a game, right?

But what you really should be comparing yourself with is a billionaire owner who has screwed over countless people on his rise to the top penny pinching contracts and BS language to rob people magnitudes poorer than themselves in order to save a drop in the bucket of their fortunes.

That's not accurate. It appears that the Chargers have increased their up front money substantially.

No, they've been unwilling to come off their offset language demands but that's team policy that they're unwilling to break for a rookie (in no small part because of the problem it would create with present roster players or potential future FAs).

I've not seen any indications that Bosa's come off his initial demands.

Now if you want to argue that he shouldn't come off his demands, that's one thing. But to argue that he's been willing to negotiate and the Chargers haven't is not supported by what we presently know.

The Bosa camp is arguing that since the slotting system, which assigns the length, total value and bonus money in rookie deals based on where the player is drafted was instituted, the precedent has been repeatedly set for top five picks to receive either no offset or no deferment.

Since the slotting system went into effect in 2012 (five drafts), every third overall pick has signed a contract in which either the offset was removed or their signing bonus was paid in full by the end of their rookie season, as Bosa is requesting.

16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Three of the top five picks, and five of the top seven picks to have signed this year, either have no offset language or will receive their bonus before the end of the 2016 season.

Both Jared Goff and Jalen Ramsey signed deals which guaranteed them their signing bonus before the end of the 2016 season AND removed the offset language.

While it may not be the "Chargers way" to negotiate the offset language or the timing of the signing bonus, it is how the league conducts its business with its top five picks. This really makes how they go about their business irrelevant and makes them look petty. Joey's camp has reportedly been very upfront about their willingness to compromise on these points by settling for one or the other. And they have communicated this stance since May. They aren't holding out for both.

Bosa's camp has said that they are willing to compromise for one or the other. The Chargers want to give neither.

Loving this. Hope Bosa becomes a cautionary tale.

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

Exactly and now the Chargers are doubling down on their ridiculous stance and saying his contract is only going to get smaller because they're going to pro-rate it based on him missing games because of his holdout while simultaneously running a smear campaign.

Fellow Gentlemen of Chiefs Planet. Follow your hearts, deep down you know that the true enemy is the San Diego Chargers.

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Okay I'm done trying to explain this to people.

Greedy agents! :old:

Uh... People don't realize this is the Chargers fault?

There was no negotiation even needed. All they had to do was give him the same deal all other top 5 picks have gotten since the new CBA.

They're the ones refusing to follow the standard. Not Bosa.
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No they dont. Its crazy.

NFL owners have it set. Theyre billionaires who can do anything and people will always claim the players are the greedy ones.
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That'd doesn't jive at all with his comments. This purely a contract thing.

His daddy was a bust.

His uncle was a bust.

He will be a bust and he's trying to get paid before everyone figures it out.

He wasn't an explosive player to begin with, on top of the fact that he'll now be playing 5-tech. His impact will be minimal. He won't put up big numbers.

How is it team policy when they've literally never been in tbis position before? They made that up this year, and now they're acting like they gave some long history of doing it.
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Whether Bosa will be a bust or not is kind of beside the point.

The true point is that the Chargers are the most poorly run organization in the NFL. They're refusing to adhere to the norm with their top pick and they have a history of doing this. They ran Weddle off for no reason. They fire coaches who go 14-2. They tried to MOVE THEIR TEAM AWAY and managed to fail and now they're trying to convince the people of San Diego to vote yes on giving them a bunch of free money to build a stadium downtown like two months after they tried to ditch them on the curb for a hotter girl up north.

It's not his fault that he's trying to get wheat other top 5 picks got. Blame the Chargers for being so shitty that they ended up picking in the top 5. Blame them for drafting him. Blame them for not doing any research at all on if his CAA would require they upheld what has been standard on top 5 contracts.

If you want to get over on a player, maybe you should make sure that their agent doesn't know how contracts work before drafting him.
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No they haven't. That's been speculated. I follow this story every damn day, since it's what i hear on my local Sports radio. There's nothing you can teach me on the subject. I've heard it all ad nauseam.

As far your "every player in the top 5 since 2012 has negotiated for either or" is also not true, and it's also slightly skewed since both the Jags and Rams don't give a shit about deferred payments, unlike pretty much every other NFL team.

Also you're not getting shit over on CAA, they're easily the biggest, best and most powerful agency in Los Angeles. Their building looks like the goddam Death Star.



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"Fewer teams omit offset language, but some still do. The Rams, per a source with knowledge of the deal, removed offset language from the contract given to Jared Goff (pictured) at No. 1. Then again, the Rams annually have removed offset language for guaranteed money in rookie contracts, regardless of the spot in round one where the player was taken.

At No. 5, the Jaguars also removed offset language for cornerback Jalen Ramsey, consistent with the team’s habit when consistently picking in the top five (but not for much longer).

The only unsigned top-10 pick, Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa, is believed to be seeking no offset language as part of a standoff that caused him to skip mandatory minicamp. But while the fact that the No. 1 and No. 5 picks avoided it, the guys taken at No. 2 and No. 4 have it."

Fair enough & thanks for the detailed explanation. It sounds like while the vast majority of top picks have had one or the other removed, but 16/20 isn't every one. So it doesn't seem to me like the Chargers are doing something unheard of.

Also the fact that every #3 pick has gotten that deal doesn't mean a lot to me. Maybe if every top 3 pick got it I could see that as somewhat of a precedent, but the fact that 4 players drafted exactly at #3 ended up with that deal doesn't mean that everyone going forward drafted at #3 is entitled to get it.

The way that's worded it sounds like players drafted 1 or 2 didn't get that deal but because he was drafted #3 & the 4 guys before him at that exact position got it he's entitled to it, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. But admittedly I haven't really been following this situation so I may be misunderstanding something.

With that being said even if the Chargers are bucking a precedent, what's the end game for Bosa? Wait out the Chargers all season re-enter the draft, hope he is drafted as highly after not playing for a year & then try to get a non deferred deal next year. Instead of just taking 40% of his money next year he won't get any until then & even then it may be less overall.

So there you have it, teh Chargers are offering the #3 overall a contract similar to what was given to those slotted around him at #2 & #4.

The only caveats being #1 and #5, which traditionally don't do that anyway regardless of where they pick, which again, is rare for NFL teams.

Not a big deal . They'll have another shot at a top 5 pick next year.

They should draft him again and offer even less.

WOW! People fighting over who's right.
Billionaire fighting with a future millionaire over money. Which, after is all said and done will leave both parties with more wealth than the vast majority on here could ever dream of having.
Who the **** cares !!!

He's still getting millions. He's going to get it either way. Take what they are giving now and get to work!. It's that simple. I don't care whether other teams remove the offset language or not. He was selected by the Chargers. The Chargers want the offset language. Accept it or lose millions. It's really that simple. I have no sympathy for the player at all in this situation. He can piss off. You can facepalm me all you want. If I was offered a lucrative contract to work for someone and they were willing to give me a huge signing bonus, but spread it out over a couple of years, I would be insane to refuse it. If I walked away from that, I would have no one to blame but myself. Same with Bosa. I really hope that he loses out big time over this. He should.

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ROFL

The Chargers fired Schottenheimer after a 13-3 season, what do you expect from this clown organization.

That would be funny as shit ! ROFL

I think it was 14-2. But yes, I agree. Stupidest organization ever. Who fires a coach that just took your team to the best record in football?

Hell, Schwartz is gonna have an easy day.

Nvm got Damion Square mixed up with Darius Philon. That DL is still looking thin though.

Look I'm sorry about the facepalm but please try to understand this isn't about greed. This is about an organization who does stupid stuff to their employees all the time and are poorly run. It's why Eli left. They're terrible. Bosa just happens to already be wealthy so that he doesn't have to give in to the shitty contract. It sets a precedent going forward. That's why I used the (admittedly hyperbole) term heroic. Most of us would take the bad contract because whatever, give me that money I desperately need.

But the truth of the situation, money aside, is that it's a bad contract. The Chargers should get ****ed over for trying to pull it. Bosa will undoubtedly lose money on this but for me man I'm happy he's doing it because he's calling Spanos' insane bluff. The balls that takes (and the independent wealth) are impressive.

It's a football discussion board.....it's a football topic...so we're discussing it.

Eli left?

Anyone with an understanding of the situation knows the Chargers are the ones who screwed this whole thing up.

Here is a post someone made that goes over every detail

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...n_explanation/

TLDR version:
"Basically, Bosa wants what everyone else in his position has received since the new CBA was put in place. He either wants his bonus money up front OR he wants no offset language. He's not asking for both, he just wants one or the other. Meanwhile the Chargers want to defer his bonus AND they want him to have offset language. They don't want to give in on either issue."

Every 3rd overall pick under the new CBA has included either no offset language, or no deferral. The Chargers are demanding both. This is literally the worse contract offered for a top 3 pick since the CBA was changed. The Chargers are using "team precedent" as an excuse for their below market offer. The problem is the market is set by 32 teams, not just the Chargers.

The Chargers tried to strong arm him into signing a below market contract, and it blew up in their face. People forget that they have had issues with hold outs before. Tomlinson, Rivers, Merriman all held out as well.

And btw in case anyone suggest it, no the Chargers cannot draft him again
If he re-enters the draft they will be barred from selecting him

In short the Chargers should have traded out of the top 3 if they were unwilling to pay the price required for a top 3 pick. They didn't and now they are stuck.

Hyperbole.

It's comparable to what's been given to most players since the new CBA took affect, and comparable to the contracts given to those slotted around him.

This is a standard contract that the Chargers have been doing for years.

Hell, even the new contract Rivers signed last season had a deferred payment. Apparently it's good enough for a Pro-Bowl QB, but not good enough for a rookie DE.

Only STANDARD FOR THE CHARGERS

Rivers might have had a deferred payment but did it also have offset language?

Also that doesn't really apply because the problem with this is because he's a rookie.

Am I the only one that roots for guys that do this shit to slip their legs under a train when they pull this crap?

When you're being so greedy you just deserve bad karma to send you to a job at Home Depot.

According to a source familiar with the negotiation, the Chargers offered to pay Bosa 85 percent of his $17 million signing bonus at the time of signing, and the rest in the new league calendar year in March. Bosa's camp remained steadfast in receiving the entire signing bonus by the end of this year.

This, but the exact opposite of this.


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What kind of Mexican drug cartel shit does a guy have going on that he can't wait a few months for guaranteed money? 85% of the guaranteed bonus isn't exactly chump change and it doesn't appear that this is an unheard of practice.

at this point bosa has thrown in the towel on #3 pick money and all of 2016. he's goin back in 2017 draft, and probably high 2nd round pick, imo. no team will touch him in the 1st round, but might still roll the dice once they get out of the 1st. lmao if its san diego that takes him #1 in the 2nd round, haha.

I'm rooting for several things:

1) for this to work out as badly for the Chargers as possible because they are a division rival

2) for this guy to get a deal that is within the normal guidelines of rookie deals

3) for this guy to be traded to a different team if he's an impact player

This is skewed data. I've stated this already.

2013 was the first draft under the new CBA.

2013 #3 Overall: Dolphins

2014 #3 Overall: Jaguars

2015: #3 Overall: Jaguars


As i have stated, the Jaguars are ONE of TWO teams, out of 32, that does not do deferred payments regardless of where they pick. So when your redit poster is babbling on and on, he fails to realize this fact.

So your example is useless. 2 out of the 3 #3 overalls were made by the Jags. No precedent has been set.

The point im making is that it's standard practice for the Chargers, not some wild hair they got because Bosa.

It's how they've always done business. It has nothing to do with Bosa or where he was drafted.

You just know he'll be drafted by the Browns.

What they're REALLY arguing over is interest. Interest that could be recouped by the team by deferring the signing bonus, or interest made by Bosa by having that money up front.

That's what they're REALLY arguing over.

Christ. They showed his picture from the draft on ESPN. The dude seethes douche.

Here's the right answer **** the Dolts, **** Bosa.

Chargers wouldn't be able to draft him.

This.

This is the correct answer for this situation.

No what they're REALLY arguing over is deferring his money in case he gets injured or busts because they're trying to protect themselves over a matter of 3 million dollars that he'll get anyway.

There's no way around that this is a bad contract. The number 2 and 4 guys also signed a bad contract. You're siding with the Chargers on this who are obviously in the wrong.

I don't get the big deal. He wants what, 17mil up front?

The Chargers offer 10 this year and 7 next?

How is that so bad? Are the wheels going to fall off after year one and he's not expecting to be back?

Sure, its not what the Jones's do across the street, but ****, he'll still get the money eventually. He just has to be a little better than a sack of shit to be brought back for year #2

Exactly

Just because Wentz and Elliot are fine with getting dicked around doesn't mean Bosa shouldn't demand what literally every top 5 pick from 2011-2015 got.

ROFL bullshit. The offer is fine. It's pointless haggling on BOTH sides though.

The offer is not fine. At all.

Bullshit. He's getting what his slot dictates he gets and if isn't a complete bum will get every damn penny.

Dicked around?

I'd take it.

Are you a union leader?

They sure didn't waste time signing. Guess they have confidence in their abilities.

That, and nobody else on earth that's willing to pay them anywhere near that amount to do anything else.

Even if you take out the Jags, you are still left with the fact that most other top 5 teams have included either up front signing bonus or no offset language

Offering a contract with offset language and a deferred signing bonus for a top 5 pick is the exception, and certainly has not been the "precedent" of the huge majority of other teams that have picked high recently

Again this is the Chargers going the cheap route that they have done many times before
Tomlinson, Rivers, Merriman, etc...

I'm sure those guys all regret signing their rookie contracts.

Dude will be worthless if he sits out a year

The money is guaranteed regardless. If i'm wrong about this, please post a link that says otherwise.

Other than that, this is about when he receives the money, not how much.

And why would someone care about WHEN they receive their guaranteed money?

A. Interest

B. They're a greedy douchebag.

I'm not siding with the Chargers. I couldn't give a flying ****. I hope he sits out the season. It'd make for some good drama.

I just want you to have your facts straight. If you're going to make such a strong opinion one way or the other, at least get the facts straight.

Link?

Because we already debunked your "3rd overalls get this" argument. I'd love to see some validity to this claim.

From what i understand, Elliot agreed to the same terms that the Chargers are offering Bosa.

And again, the Jags picking in the top 5 for the past 3 years skews that data. As well as the Rams this year...so when you say "Most" what does that even mean?

Sounds like both sides deserve some heat here

Bosa is an entitled dicksmack

The Chargers might be the worst run organization in the NFL, there isnt a lick of consistency in anything they do... without Rivers, they might even be worse than Cleveland

usually the case

Dude woulda been worthless even had he signed on time.

I've been telling every Charger fan that'll listen that he's gonna be bust. There's no ****ing way that he's going to live up to the hype.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ntract-dispute

This is why I don't care.
The 5 or 6 other options for the 3rd pick wouldn't have been much better either.

He still gets the $7 million, he just doesn't get the $7 million plus the signing bonus he'd get from the other team. That's the nature of an offset.

It essentially has Bosa's new team paying the Chargers back; a standard mitigation of damages kind of thing that's it virtually any other employment scenario.

That money's guaranteed - period.

Might as well be, or just an idiot.

It is beyond comprehension to side with billionaire owners of the San Diego Chargers of all people. I guess that makes me an idiot or a union leader. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless if CP dudes want a spoiled rich athlete to suck it up and accept whatever terms they think up that benefit them and not the player.

What kind of Mr. Potter old cronies do we have on this site?