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ct 08-29-2016 09:48 AM

kruger definitely worth bringing in for a look

O.city 08-29-2016 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12393101)
At this point, Kruger's a Vet Minimum type player. If Dezmon Moses is unable to play Week 1 or is put on the PUP, Kruger's a guy to take a look at for sure.

If Moses is ready, I'd pass on Kruger.

He had quite a few pressures last year on a shit team, and is only 30. I wouldn't give him alot, but he's probably getting more than the min.

Kruger would arguably be our 2nd best rusher at this point

NJChiefsFan 08-29-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12393092)

I specifically remember many people calling him a bust after a string of games where he was getting torched by TE's.

When you say many, what number are you thinking about? Seeing a few people saying it over and over again doesn't mean that a lot of people were saying it.

BossChief 08-29-2016 09:57 AM

Plus, signing Kruger doesn't change the comp picks...would help Hali heal properly, send a message to Dee Ford...help the run defense and pass rush in the early part of the season.

I wonder why Hue cut him.

BossChief 08-29-2016 09:59 AM

Haha remember when Carl was the GM....a guy like Paul Kruger would be a major signing.

jspchief 08-29-2016 10:00 AM

Kruger was making about $8m from what I saw. Money move, Browns are setting up next year. Not sure he'll be a vet min guy, teams will want him.

On another note, Geoff Schwartz was released.

DJ's left nut 08-29-2016 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12393154)
Kruger was making about $8m from what I saw. Money move, Browns are setting up next year. Not sure he'll be a vet min guy, teams will want him.

On another note, Geoff Schwartz was released.

Yeah; I figure some team will throw a couple million his way.

What did Flowers get with San Diego? About $3 million? Kruger wasn't as good as peak Flowers and Flowers had more in the tank when released than Kruger does, IMO. But Kruger will get in that general neighborhood, IMO.

The Franchise 08-29-2016 10:10 AM

Offer Kruger vet minimum with some bonuses in there. Number of games started.....number of sacks.

Put him in Houston's spot. Hali and Ford can split reps 50/50.

R Clark 08-29-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12393154)
Kruger was making about $8m from what I saw. Money move, Browns are setting up next year. Not sure he'll be a vet min guy, teams will want him.

On another note, Geoff Schwartz was released.

Damn wasn't Schwartz pretty decent when he was here?

DJ's left nut 08-29-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12393174)
Offer Kruger vet minimum with some bonuses in there. Number of games started.....number of sacks.

Put him in Houston's spot. Hali and Ford can split reps 50/50.

Just FYI - Kruger started 15 games last year so if you give him incentives based on games started, they'll hit the cap immediately as they'll be considered likely to be earned. That will do nothing to help fit him in our cap.

And if you base it on sacks when you have a guy in Ford you desperately want to see succeed plus Hali and a possible Houston return, he probably won't be eager to come on board. Especially not if you put him at the SOLB slot where his pass rush opportunities are likely to be substantially reduced over what he could manage on the weak side in this scheme.

Kruger's probably not happening unless he really wants to come here and sees an opportunity for a below-market 'make good' deal that could propel him into next season's FA market. He has to know that the strong side isn't the best shot at that.

O.city 08-29-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12393184)
Just FYI - Kruger started 15 games last year so if you give him incentives based on games started, they'll hit the cap immediately as they'll be considered likely to be earned. That will do nothing to help fit him in our cap.

And if you base it on sacks when you have a guy in Ford you desperately want to see succeed plus Hali and a possible Houston return, he probably won't be eager to come on board. Especially not if you put him at the SOLB slot where his pass rush opportunities are likely to be substantially reduced over what he could manage on the weak side in this scheme.

Kruger's probably not happening unless he really wants to come here and sees an opportunity for a below-market 'make good' deal that could propel him into next season's FA market. He has to know that the strong side isn't the best shot at that.

If Houston is gonna be out for a while, possibly all year, they need help at olb. It's not a championship elite level d without houston.

It won't be with Kruger either, but it can be alot better in that he'd allow them to rotate ford and hali on the weak side and consistently pressure the qb.

After this article (I'm probably reading to much into it) but I don't think Ford ever really turns into a difference maker. He may end up a good solid rusher, but I don't know about a truly elite player. That's fine, but we need more oars on board if that's the case in order to keep the boat moving.

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12393144)
I wonder why Hue cut him.

It's Money Ball in Cleveland.

Kruger was paid too much for such little production.

Yikes, Kruger's cap number was $7.7. They saved $6.5 by cutting him.

O.city 08-29-2016 10:36 AM

Kruger had alot of pressures last year so it's not like he's useless.

54 total pressures last year from what I've found online . No clue how he's been vs the run

Titty Meat 08-29-2016 10:39 AM

If it were just a money thing whyd they wait til now? Seems like he's not a productive player. We don't have much cap anyway roll with what you got.

DJ's left nut 08-29-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12393209)
If Houston is gonna be out for a while, possibly all year, they need help at olb. It's not a championship elite level d without houston.

It won't be with Kruger either, but it can be alot better in that he'd allow them to rotate ford and hali on the weak side and consistently pressure the qb.

After this article (I'm probably reading to much into it) but I don't think Ford ever really turns into a difference maker. He may end up a good solid rusher, but I don't know about a truly elite player. That's fine, but we need more oars on board if that's the case in order to keep the boat moving.

I agree that Kruger would help.

I just don't think they're going to be able to find the money to make it happen. They need to be very very careful in how they spend that 'found' Streater money, especially if they intend for him to be the #3 receiver. If he hits those incentives and we have to pay a cap tax for next season, if the money's been spent on Kruger, we make a precarious cap situation for next season that much worse.

O.city 08-29-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12393224)
I agree that Kruger would help.

I just don't think they're going to be able to find the money to make it happen. They need to be very very careful in how they spend that 'found' Streater money, especially if they intend for him to be the #3 receiver. If he hits those incentives and we have to pay a cap tax for next season, if the money's been spent on Kruger, we make a precarious cap situation for next season that much worse.

Pretty much.

I think they could find the money with some restructures, but thats not always smart.

Dave Lane 08-29-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391184)
That's fair. I've never thought much of Ford, and I don't think Paylor's feature paints a very rosy picture of his work ethic and potential, but two years is a little soon. Football players develop at extremely variable rates.

Yes or no if Ford was a 6th rounder would he still be on the team?

The Franchise 08-29-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12393224)
I agree that Kruger would help.

I just don't think they're going to be able to find the money to make it happen. They need to be very very careful in how they spend that 'found' Streater money, especially if they intend for him to be the #3 receiver. If he hits those incentives and we have to pay a cap tax for next season, if the money's been spent on Kruger, we make a precarious cap situation for next season that much worse.

The Broncos have asked Colquitt for a paycut. I'm pretty sure we should be doing the same thing with our Colquitt.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12393142)
When you say many, what number are you thinking about? Seeing a few people saying it over and over again doesn't mean that a lot of people were saying it.

Okay. For the sake of your aargument, take Berry off the list. The point still stands.

saphojunkie 08-29-2016 11:18 AM

Trade Ford to a 4-3 team and sign literally any other 3-4 rush backer.

RunKC 08-29-2016 11:44 AM

People already labeling this guy a bust? C'mon now. We need to see what this guy does this season before officially labeling him even though it's not looking good.

How many people were shitting on Eric Fisher this time last year? Let's see how this plays out.

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12393218)
If it were just a money thing whyd they wait til now? Seems like he's not a productive player. We don't have much cap anyway roll with what you got.

The Chiefs currently have $4.4 million, which is plenty to sign a guy like Kruger.

TEX 08-29-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12393370)
The Chiefs currently have $4.4 million, which is plenty to sign a guy like Kruger.

Yep. Plenty to sign Kruger period.

Coochie liquor 08-29-2016 01:48 PM

A process takes time...

LiL stumppy 10-30-2016 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12393102)
What ? You cut me deep son. Don't even trust your dad. :D





Just rep my post, use it as a bookmark.


Well that was quick

stumppy 10-30-2016 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12516444)
Well that was quick

Alright you little shit. I pay my bets.

Maybe you can buy yourself a new personality with the money.:D

stumppy 10-30-2016 03:25 PM

I'm gonna miss my "FREAK FLYPAPER" SIG LINE.


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