Any chance you can break down some of these passing concepts in more detail, ie what the QB should be reading pre and post snap?

Thats where I'm at

The pieces are there for a genuine quick strike offense, if we had a QB capable of, and willing to make it so... Smith keeps the interceptions to a minimum, the only problem is the same holds true for big plays and touchdowns

I'm glad Aspen was able to provide this for you. I saw your comment in the other thread but forgot to respond that I didn't have access to the All-22 myself, was just basing my comment off of the live action.

Not a problem. I'm wasn't knocking ya, it's just tough to talk about it in nebulous generalities, and threads like this are, IMO, examples of what CP can offer that makes it a draw to frequent.

I'd love if it was a weekly regular of highlighting the 20 or so plays from all 3 phases from the previous game to better illustrate what's really going on and drive the discussion.
Of course, that's a rather time intensive ask for someone to review it all and pull them, and I know people have lives to attend to.

Maybe if more people had access to them and could post how Aspen was able to a "Tale of the Tape Repository" thread that would allow whomever to post a few or even 1 play in particular that caught their eye for discussion, would be a worthwhile addition to CP.

Totally feasible, but dependent really upon who & how many have access to A22. It's nice that you easily embed plays from their site if you do have access. I would have thought the NFL would have made linking or sharing any of their stuff a chore to have to work around.

Either way, I'm grateful for what is shared and threads like this!

Off topic, but is Maclin really a number 1 WR? He'd obviously be better under a QB that can get him the ball more but he wasn't a number 1 with Philly was he? I thought that was Jackson.

Just did, rough estimate but kinda close lol. definitely not blown out of the water like you make it seem.

63.4 completion 17,835 yards 107 touchdowns 46 ints

58.9 completion 16,328 yards 96 touchdowns 71 ints

They were almost identical prior to Alex coming here

He had 1300 yards and 10 TDs in his last year in philly.

That was coming off a torn acl and with journeymen at QB.

He provides the total of cj age at WR...Alex just isn't trusting him, because unfortunately...Alex doesn't trust himself and if he still doesn't trust himself in the fourth year in the same system...he probably never will.

He's gonna have to play the best gal of his career the next 12 weeks for us to make the playoffs.

Freudian slip

Thanks man. I hope he does but I'm not counting on it. Nevermind the 4 years in the system, he's 32 and has been the same QB more or less throughout his career. People waiting on a 32 year old QB to all the sudden get beyond an average state is asking too much. The excuses for Smith are old and tiring. He is who he is. The play is not gonna change until a different one is brought on...or dare I say...drafted? Perhaps? Lol.

He isn't trusting the OL, either.

I think he got hit hard against SD, got hurt and it ****ed him up. Not physically, but mentally.

He's scared of getting hit again.

that 1300 yard 10 td season was with Nick Foles/Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball too lol

I always thought he was; and Desean always seemed like their deep threat. Jackson probably had more highlight "big" plays, but Maclin wasn't a slouch and way more consistent week to week.

Ive tried to be optimistic and patient with Alex...but this is a very important year for this team and he's getting paid to play at a high level and is t providing a return on investment.

If I'm Andy Reid, Alex gets 3 games to turn the offense around after the bye before getting benched.

He's playing like a guy scared to lose his job again and with his nature of conservativeness, that might end up costing him the job.

God bless you

I could probably get all the plays into separate A22 offensive and defensive threads. I would just comment the down/distance/result and put a spoiler tag if you want to view the clip. Id love to do that and let you guys break them down collectively as a group. If there is enough interest let me know.

IMO, if Denver and Oakland win this weekend, Smith needs to be on a short leash at Oakland. We can't afford to fall way back in our own division.

I agree. After seeing that Foles highlight video where he is running literally the same plays as now, one would think he can be as productive given the current personnel.

Even making them available like that would spur good discussion. Just number them for easy reference so if someone, for example, references O16 (offense) D31 (defense) S4 (Special teams), people can easily pick it out in the original post.

You can decide how to number or reference it, but that way everyone responding doesn't need to quote the original post and sift through it and try to edit it to repost only the play(s) they are talking about specifically.

This could be awesome!

Reservation is that Foles looked like ass in the PS.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I think you're shit, but you actually may be right about this. His decisions, mechanics, and general lack of comfort at this point is odd.

Something's wrong with his legs/mobility. And that's pretty much his bread and butter.

For a QB.

For.

A.

QB.

My thought as well.

We are never going to have impeccable protection and number 1 receivers across the board. If you look at the film he doesn't take advantage of what is there often. A QB that makes a quick decision helps the Oline. I always believed Chase Daniel could do better. I'm not sure Foles or Bray can but if the offense keeps this up its worth a shot.

Unless he turns it around this better be the last year of Alex.

Reid needs to give up play calling duties as well

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Daniel would have turned the ball over too much because of how short he was.

Ffs, Daniel was never going to be the solution.

MNChiefsfan on Arrowhead Pride did an article and reached the same conclusions about Alex missing reads if anyone's interested.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...is-running-out

Are you saying lifted?

EDIT: Nevermind. I read it, and a couple of nice illustrations on other examples.

We simply cannot afford a down year from Smith, we need his very best to ensure a successful playoff push and right now, we're getting his worst

Its time to go with Foles

Unfortunately, I expect the team to put a pretty good whipping on Oakland next week and that will keep Smiths spot safe for now

Then Andy simply has to force the issue. Make him throw downfield, and if he keeps getting picked or missing guys he's got all the justification with a built-in excuse. In the opposite, if Alex is successful, then problem remedied.

We shouldn't need to still be talking about patience with Smith. Vet player, in his 4th year, same team, same coach, etc. If anything, it's time to grow impatient.


And I agree on the "playing to not lose his job" description. I've been saying this about Smith since he got here.

He does breakdowns of games like this every week, so...no. He's like a much better version of gif'd up.

(Though I realize that you found that when you looked into it.)

If I can find the time, definitely.

Just off a quick eye, does this all look any different than the last four full years of play by #11.

Not really.

Similar to the GB game last year.

Aspen, I haven't re-watched the Steelers game yet but did it seem like it took us a painfully long time to call outside zone?

I'm sticking with my initial prediction:

Chiefs go back to the playoffs, pass round one, get completely fisted by Pittsburgh again in round 2.

Not a bad projection. It would be sweet if they went back and ended up punching Pittsburgh in the nuts on their home turf. It's so far from now lots of potential for both teams to look very different.

So I was out all last week, didn't get to see much around herr but this is awful.

Kind of puts all the "play calling sucks" stuff in perspective. No wonder they have to throw so many screens, their qb can't do much else

I tend to agree. To his defense he hasn't had an O line to protect him and after facing the D lines of the Texans Jets and Steelers he's still not getting comfortable. Hopefully the line gels and he has more time. Those wide open receivers need to be found. I'm about ready to move on from him no matter how many gigabytes he has.

The problem is that his gigabytes are stored on these:

http://timedoctor.org/wp/wp-content/...oppy_pile2.jpg

The Steelers have a shit pass rush.

They had 1 sack in three games before they played us.

Alex always has and likely always will run himself into unnecessary sacks.

And then the Steelers had what , 3 sacks on us . Still ,yeah , smith needs to let loose and find receivers.

Maybe so

Alex missing reads
 

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Alex has always taken unnecessary sacks. That's why his offensive lines always run block well but mysteriously appear to be horrible in pass protection.

He doesn't anticipate guys breaking open, doesn't look down field with any regularity, isn't willing to pull the trigger on down field or tight throws on a consistent basis, and stares down the pass rush.

He's been shitty, but that's not really true. For the average 2 sacks per game he is responsible for, his athleticism manages to avoid another 2 per game where many would have be sacked.

So if Alex wasn't so athletic, he would be sacked 5 times a game over the last six years. WOW!!!

I partially agree, Smith has had a LOT of pressure. The line has had holes ever since he's been here. But yes , the rest of your statement I can agree with. I really miss Willie Roaf !

I don't buy that. Guy has no feel for an NFL pocket. He only moves well outside of it and by that I mean he's kind of fast.

He leaves the pocket all the time when he doesn't have to, which causes him to miss open wrs and big plays.

Would you say Smith is "deceptively" fast?

Duh. How do you think he scores all those hidden touchdowns?

Smith is fast. Credit where it's due.

Physically speaking, he's got everything you need to excel in this league. He has a weak-ish arm but you don't need a cannon to make it work.

His issues are 100% mental.

he throws to invisible receivers

Is it fair to call him a real "lunchpail" kind of guy?

LOL

He's a good athlete.

I don't give a shit if he's white or not.

He plays the position scared. At times, it's worked here, but this year, it seems to have regressed.

He's the 4th best qb in the afc west. It's pathetic

He may be the 5th.

Hell, it's possible he's the 6th.

you can easily tell its mental walls that prevent alex from succeeding consistently at a high rate.

We're not doing shit unless our defense returns to what it was last year. Alex and the offense ain't gonna make up the difference

He avoids phantom pressure, so he either leaves the pocket and makes plays with his legs when it really isn't necessary for him to do so, or he runs himself into sacks.

He also holds the ball too long and often finds himself unable to escape as a result.

More than 50% of the sacks he takes are on him.

Run blocking and pass protection are 2 different animals.

If Pittsburgh's rush sucked so much that they had 2 sacks coming into the game, and sacked Alex 3 times, that's a good indication that the Chiefs line isn't and hasn't been very good.

Yes, Alex is on the hook for roughly 10% of the total sacks given his style of play.

Still, both guard positions have been a revolving door with guys filling in. Fisher is playing at a B grade at best in comparison to his play at the end of last season. Schwartz has been terrible and I can't figure it out. Least talked about, but it needs to be said is how much Morse has regressed. His size, pass protection, point of attack, and ability to seal and sustain were all questions before the draft.

There's no continuity along the line at every other spot, and I suspect that problem is exacerbating the 3 regular starters who are all lining up next to someone who they don't have familiarity with and possibly trying to do too much to help cover the backups butt!

That's the unique predicament of both guards being out in that it means there's no continuity across the entire line.

Alex needs to execute, but let's not pretend his protection has been really good like many expected, and actually a big disappointment to this juncture. The glimmer of hope is that the situation can improve quite a bit by fixing their mistakes and the return of the starters.

His style of play leads to that though. His offensive Linea have always struggled to pass block, because in part of alex.

He isn't decisive, leaves the pocket to phantom pressure and misses guys because of it.

Teams don't respect him to beat them from the pocket so they play super aggressive in a 15 yard box.

The line hasn't paved the way for huge Mack truck-sized holes like we all had hoped but they've been good enough to succeed.

The running game has been good despite Alex's usual rushing yardage added and yet the lass protection sucks? Again? For the 12th year in a row for this ****ing guy?

At some point you have to lay blame in the correct spot. He hasn't just been so unlucky to get crap offensive lines over his career. Truth is, he doesn't do his lines any favors.

Hence, I lay 10% of those sacks at Alex's feet. Let's not act like Alex is so fundamentally different back there to deflect from the lines culpability. Giving them a pass on 10% of the sacks is more than fair and the rest are a fair representation of the continuing up and down erratic protection issues.

It being erratic definitely leaves the lingering question in Smith's head of will I get decent protection this week? It's not an excuse, because he still has to step up and perform better, including watching the film and correcting his footwork and positioning when releasing the ball. But, it's not an imagined case of there being a chronic issue of protection breaking down on a reoccurring basis, and sporadically more than it should be in year 4.

Lack of consistency has definitely gotten in his head, and he or the staff need to do a better job of mentally preparing better. See a sports psychologist, I don't know? They're not paying me to so it's not my job.

I read this just after I farted and laughed for a bit

:cuss: Kelce wide open. Alex just has to stop and chuck it.

This reminds me of Alex early last season. He needs to pull his head out of his butt.

Maclin > than D Jax is debatable. I'd say about even. Kelce > than their TEs for sure.

Conley, I think can be better than Cooper. We just have had much chance to see as of yet because of mediocre to bad QB play. The one glaring difference is that out Oline is not playing very well. Alex has played poorly but some of that is due to the poor play at Oline. And no, I'm not an Alex apologist by any means. I just tell it like I see it.

Yeah, and not just the Pitt game. In almost every must run situation (2nd and 10 ex), he goes to the bubble right away if he gets a 3x2 look. They could have 6 in the box and he will still throw the bubble.

Where's the evidence that supports this claim?

The guy was a total beast in college. Last game Alex stiffed him out of about 60 yards and a TD because he misses reads.

Every single ****ing WR who has ever played with Alex had his potential neutered. It's documented fact.

Curious who others would prefer over Alex, he's definitely a limiting factor just not sure there are many better options?

Foles? Romo trade postseason? Kaep? Draft a rookie? Johnny Football? Tebow?

I agree that Alex limits WR production, I'm just not certain Conley's the real deal yet even if we had a better QB. Lots of guys were beasts in college.

Could have taken a flier on Dak. Can't give the Chiefs' kudos for passing on him because of off the field issues.

We can ask, but I doubt the Faiders will be amenable

oh, you're talking about in the future

well, we should definitely draft someone

you know, or we could let someone else draft the next Carr :rolleyes:

He's on pace for 60 catches even with Alex.

He'd be raping with a real QB.

The Chiefs and every other team in the league could say the same. There's lots of examples of QBs we could have taken that we should have, I'm curious as to who we can actually get now to replace Smith.

Are there any legit hot shot college QBs coming out? I don't watch college and always skeptical of rookies. Anyone worth a damn that we could actually target in a trade?