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Sandy Vagina 10-28-2016 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12511287)
true - let's just be thankful we have him - it's a large reason I took him in and fathered him!
oh yeah? shit, I'm throwing hookers at you. We must think long term.

knock at your door? yeah.. answer it, and get busy!

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511102)
If he seriously re-damaged that knee, it most likely happened on the play where he dug in hard on it to carry multiple faders on that play off the right side in the redzone

I clearly remember thinking to myself... "OMG, he chose this play to truly test that knee because he's torquing the hell out of it right now", it might just be that he aggravated something right there

Either way, the apparent plan to rest him until it feels good again is the right one... if he is only here for 2016, lets make sure he is able to go out swinging
Good Lord, I've been saying all offseason that it's unlikely he ever returns to form. This is a major injury and surgery for a 29 year old that's already endured the same surgery on his other knee.

He'll never, ever be the guy he was in 2012. Not happening. He may never be the guy he was in 2015.

It's time to stop believing in fairy tales.

CoMoChief 10-28-2016 09:27 PM
They need trade him and get what they can for him.

RB's (good ones) are only in their prime for a handful of years. It's about that time for Charles.

Chiefs have been lucky...going from Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and now the Spencer Ware seems like to be the next big thing in KC. His time has come, let him take the rock and let Ware do his thing.

Chiefs will move on without Charles....sucks that his career ended in KC by injury but that can happen in this sport.

Deberg_1990 10-28-2016 09:33 PM
Football is brutal to RBs. I'm honestly amazed these guys can walk when they leave the game.

Let's hope Charles still has something left.....

Easy 6 10-28-2016 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511321)
Good Lord, I've been saying all offseason that it's unlikely he ever returns to form. This is a major injury and surgery for a 29 year old that's already endured the same surgery on his other knee.

He'll never, ever be the guy he was in 2012. Not happening. He may never be the guy he was in 2015.

It's time to stop believing in fairy tales.
You're creating a narrative I never implied, of course he has lost something, and no one is expecting 2012 all over again

Simply Red 10-28-2016 09:56 PM
what list is Charles on right now PUP, IR??? what?

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511463)
You're creating a narrative I never implied, of course he has lost something, and no one is expecting 2012 all over again
Claiming that Charles is the fastest guy on the team is an implication that doesn't need to me made, let alone, is even remotely true.

You're living in the past.

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12511466)
what list is Charles on right now PUP, IR??? what?
He's in the 53.

For now.

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 12511372)
They need trade him and get what they can for him.
LMAO

Simply Red 10-28-2016 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511476)
He's in the 53.

For now.
Oh okay

Shaid 10-28-2016 10:21 PM
Sit him for a month and get completely healthy. Once healthy, backup Ware and gain comfort. I want to see him playing again, but I don't want him injured or re-injuring himself.

Gadzooks 10-28-2016 10:21 PM
Ware is a boss. Even if Charles were available, if I was a DC, I'd be more concerned with containing Ware.

Shaid 10-28-2016 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12511507)
Ware is a boss. Even if Charles were available, if I was a DC, I'd be more concerned with containing Ware.
I agree, Ware is a beast. I don't think Charles is done yet though. You could see the vision is there, he's just not totally back yet. Even a 90% Charles is a hell of a threat. He's not ready yet so let's not push it.

Gadzooks 10-28-2016 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 12511510)
I agree, Ware is a beast. I don't think Charles is done yet though. You could see the vision is there, he's just not totally back yet. Even a 90% Charles is a hell of a threat. He's not ready yet so let's not push it.
Yep, Charles shouldn't be pushed until he's ready.:)

Same goes for Houston.

Easy 6 10-28-2016 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511470)
Claiming that Charles is the fastest guy on the team is an implication that doesn't need to me made, let alone, is even remotely true.

You're living in the past.
We'll come back to this when he breaks off a 60 yarder next month

It isn't living in the past, its just recognizing that he isn't washed up just yet

Get him back to 80% and I really don't care what Wests 40 was... Charles is still the better all around back

Simply Red 10-28-2016 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511525)
We'll come back to this when he breaks off a 60 yarder next month

It isn't living in the past, its just recognizing that he isn't washed up just yet

Get him back to 80% and I really don't care what Wests 40 was... Charles is still the better all around back
West needs space - he can't seem to find it - it's ALL he needs - he's a burner. He's fractions of a second slower that Tyreek Hill.

Simply Red 10-28-2016 11:10 PM
that same article DID mention West had a good tail-wind when he ran that 4.28 40. ROFL - that still cracks me up that they included that.

Simply Red 10-28-2016 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12511304)
oh yeah? shit, I'm throwing hookers at you. We must think long term.

knock at your door? yeah.. answer it, and get busy!
thanks that's nice of you.

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511525)
We'll come back to this when he breaks off a 60 yarder next month

It isn't living in the past, its just recognizing that he isn't washed up just yet

Get him back to 80% and I really don't care what Wests 40 was... Charles is still the better all around back
No words.

CP is fantasyland.

Mother****erJones 10-28-2016 11:26 PM
I wouldn't practice Charles till December. Make sure that knee will be ready, if it will be ever again who knows. Really bums me out man. But this is Ware's backfield. Feed the horse Sunday and utilize West's speed like they did against Denver last year. Get him in space and he can be explosive. No reason to not run the **** out of the ball the rest of the season. This is our identity and let Smith play off of it. You have to ride these backs because the wheels can fall off any moment. I want to see a lot of Ware, Maclin, Kelce and Hill Sunday.

Easy 6 10-28-2016 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511576)
No words.

CP is fantasyland.
Don't ****in condescend me man, I'll kill ya

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511583)
Don't ****in condescend me man, I'll kill ya
Okay?

Sandy Vagina 10-28-2016 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511525)
We'll come back to this when he breaks off a 60 yarder next month

It isn't living in the past, its just recognizing that he isn't washed up just yet

Get him back to 80% and I really don't care what Wests 40 was... Charles is still the better all around back
I doubt anyone could **** with this, or would try. It's just a matter of bang for your buck, at the end of the year.

Mother****erJones 10-28-2016 11:32 PM
I don't know man, Ware has become the every down back I hoped he'd develop into. He's an awesome back man and can absolutely do it all.

Sandy Vagina 10-28-2016 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511583)
Don't ****in condescend me man, I'll kill ya
I like where this is going, gif. KILL KILL KILL. REDRUM...

DaneMcCloud 10-28-2016 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12511592)
I doubt anyone could **** with this, or would try. It's just a matter of bang for your buck, at the end of the year.
Besides the fact that you're an Alex Smith ballwashing cockgoblin, Charles appears washed up.

Go away, ****tard.

Mother****erJones 10-28-2016 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511598)
Besides the fact that you're an Alex Smith ballwashing cockgoblin, Charles appears washed up.

Go away, ****tard.
I wouldn't say washed up. I can't call him that lol. It makes me too sad because Jamaal is my favorite chief. He didn't look washed up against a bad Raider D. I want to see how his knees respond in the next few weeks and see how the season finishes. But I think he could retire at the end of the year if it continues this path.

Simply Red 10-28-2016 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12511583)
Don't ****in condescend me man, I'll kill ya
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511591)
Okay?

I assume it was


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NJChiefsFan 10-28-2016 11:48 PM
In a limited roll I don't think West has looked as good as he did last year.

I'm not sure why it needs to be Charles is washed up or he is the same back he was. Seems like he will be something between that which makes him valuable and better than West, which isn't a shot.

Charles value with this injury isn't going to be there in a trade so probably more realistic that his help to this team will be down the stretch in some capacity, not in a trade.

With Ware we have the luxury of patience, we should exercise it. If he never heals so be it. I think he will enough to be a good service to this team. I don't think he will ever be the man again but that's ok.

Nickhead 10-29-2016 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 12511372)
They need trade him and get what they can for him.

RB's (good ones) are only in their prime for a handful of years. It's about that time for Charles.

Chiefs have been lucky...going from Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and now the Spencer Ware seems like to be the next big thing in KC. His time has come, let him take the rock and let Ware do his thing.

Chiefs will move on without Charles....sucks that his career ended in KC by injury but that can happen in this sport.
if hes not good enough for the chiefs at this salary, he wont be for any other team. he is not tradeable. only releaseable.

Nickhead 10-29-2016 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12511610)
In a limited roll I don't think West has looked as good as he did last year.

I'm not sure why it needs to be Charles is washed up or he is the same back he was. Seems like he will be something between that which makes him valuable and better than West, which isn't a shot.

Charles value with this injury isn't going to be there in a trade so probably more realistic that his help to this team will be down the stretch in some capacity, not in a trade.

With Ware we have the luxury of patience, we should exercise it. If he never heals so be it. I think he will enough to be a good service to this team. I don't think he will ever be the man again but that's ok.
provided things work out and charles plays more soon, he is wayyyy better an option than 9/10's of the RB's out there. but you put him in a different system he is worthless. he would be overworked and undervalued. at least in KC he is an asset. he just needs to work the kinks out.

now, he gets reps, and yards. after the season he is tradeable upon renegotiations in salary :D

ThaVirus 10-29-2016 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511598)
Charles appears washed up..
You're going too far.

PAChiefsGuy 10-29-2016 08:41 AM
I don't think this is as big of a deal as some people on here are making it out to be. Granted I am not a doctor but he is missing a week because his knee got swollen. Not a huge deal IMO. It happens.

Reid and Childress both didn't seem overly worried about it in their press conferences. They basically just said his knee was up and down this week so they are going to play and it safe. Ware is a beast so they probably are not pushing him to play and being cautious.

He could be fine and good to go next week. If they say he is out for multiple weeks and likely not going to play this season then I'll get concerned but until then I'm not going to worry about it too much. I think he'll be okay.

Coogs 10-29-2016 08:56 AM
My question is this. If we are being cautious, why the 2 plays against the Saints? He played well against the Faid, but had some flair ups as a result. The risk vs reward of those 2 snaps doesn't weigh out IMO.

RunKC 10-29-2016 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511598)
Besides the fact that you're an Alex Smith ballwashing cockgoblin, Charles appears washed up.

Go away, ****tard.
I really hope he's not washed up. I want him to get his chance for a ring this year.

PAChiefsGuy 10-29-2016 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12511867)
My question is this. If we are being cautious, why the 2 plays against the Saints? He played well against the Faid, but had some flair ups as a result. The risk vs reward of those 2 snaps doesn't weigh out IMO.
Pure speculation but it is probably Charles telling the coaches he wants to play some snaps. From what Reid has said Charles is constantly asking him to let him go out there and play.. He probably would play this week if the coaches would allow it.

He'll be back eventually and probably be fine. Gaines has had his knee flare up multiple times this season too and he is going to play this week,

BlackOp 10-29-2016 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12511851)
I don't think this is as big of a deal as some people on here are making it out to be.
I dont think so either...Chiefs have the luxury of not needing him for the next month or so. Schedule is pretty favorable...and Ware is playing great. If his knee has swelling...let it heal.

I'm optimistic...Chiefs would put him on IR if there was a serious issue.

I'm not buying the "he's washed up" BS...that's just internet babble.

DaneMcCloud 10-29-2016 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12511828)
You're going too far.
Maybe, maybe not.

Do I want Charles to return to form? Absolutely.

But as I've said all year long, I don't expect it. Age, second ACL surgery and overall wear and tear on his body would all be huge factors in his return and so far, he hasn't been able to perform like the Charles of even 2015, let alone, 2012 (which is the year many pointed to as proof that he'd return to greatness).

DaneMcCloud 10-29-2016 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12511886)
I dont think so either...Chiefs have the luxury of not needing him for the next month or so. Schedule is pretty favorable...and Ware is playing great. If his knee has swelling...let it heal.

I'm optimistic...Chiefs would put him on IR if there was a serious issue.

I'm not buying the "he's washed up" BS...that's just internet babble.
No coach in his right mind would subject a running back coming off of ACL surgery, whose knee continues to swell after very few snaps, to a full load.

That's silly.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12511598)
Besides the fact that you're an Alex Smith ballwashing cockgoblin, Charles appears washed up.

Go away, ****tard.
Slowly, Dane begins his metamorphosis into a homer beatdown artist.

Soon he will be shitting on Reid and Smith left and right! I give it six weeks until he's fully transformed to his old, glorious self.

Chief Northman 10-29-2016 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12511913)
Slowly, Dane begins his metamorphosis into a homer beatdown artist.

Soon he will be shitting on Reid and Smith left and right! I give it six weeks until he's fully transformed to his old, glorious self.
Did you buy a new crystal ball? Old one wasn't working?

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12511948)
Did you buy a new crystal ball? Old one wasn't working?
My crystal ball is working just fine, though it was wrong about the Raiders game. Other than that, batting 1.0000.

planetdoc 10-29-2016 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512023)
batting .1000.
so, wrong 90% of the time.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 12512033)
so, wrong 90% of the time.
:facepalm:

I've picked 5 of the games correctly this year. Please step off.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-29-2016 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512037)
:facepalm:

I've picked 5 of the games correctly this year. Please step off.
Ive picked 6 :) Now listen...

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12512039)
Ive picked 6 :) Now listen...
You lie, homer. No way you picked the Texans.

bigbucks24 10-29-2016 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12509935)
One of the sportswriters I follow on Twitter recently said that the public has become numb to the fact that these guys have their bodies ripped open, have ligaments replaced or repaired and go through months, if not years, of recovery and rehab.

Yet the fans are at the point where they expect their favorite athlete to return quickly and play as if nothing happened. Sadly, this isn't always the case.

As I've mentioned several times, HGH testing has slowed recoveries to nearly a standstill. Charles is more than one year removed from his surgery yet he's clearly not 100% and at age 29, he most likely won't ever be the same player he was before this particular surgery. Fortunately, the Chiefs have players in Ware and West that take the sting out the loss of Charles.

Hopefully, Houston's recovery is without any speed bumps but considering that Phillip Gaines (age 25) is also having difficulty with his surgically repaired knee, it'll be surprising if he's able to step in and have the same kind of impact as he had in 2014 and 2015.
Maybe this puts to bed the arguments that "ACL repairs aren't what they used to be. Modern medicine and all" and "Adrian Peterson came back in 9 months. That is the new norm".

NJChiefsFan 10-29-2016 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512037)
:facepalm:

I've picked 5 of the games correctly this year. Please step off.
I think you are missing the math he was pointing out...

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12512058)
I think you are missing the math he was pointing out...
He's trying to be clever. And failing.

NJChiefsFan 10-29-2016 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512064)
He's trying to be clever. And failing.
He correctly pointed out that you said you were at .1000 correct, which is 10%. I think knowing simple decimals isnt clever as much as it is basic.

You meant to say that besides the one you got wrong, you have been entirely correct. Of course if you always discount things people got wrong, then everybody is always batting 1.000.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12512072)
He correctly pointed out that you said you were at .1000 correct, which is 10%. I think knowing simple decimals isnt clever as much as it is basic.

You meant to say that besides the one you got wrong, you have been entirely correct. Of course if you always discount things people got wrong, then everybody is always batting 1.000.
Yes, I'm sorry I misplaced a decimal. He really got me, boy!

R Clark 10-29-2016 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512075)
Yes, I'm sorry I misplaced a decimal. He really got me, boy!
Your such a waste of space

In58men 10-29-2016 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 12512336)
Your such a waste of space
You're*

Simply Red 10-29-2016 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12512376)
You're*
We'll be fine.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2016 03:03 PM
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Simply Red 10-29-2016 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512389)
& that how u grammor!!

Mr. Flopnuts 10-29-2016 03:53 PM
You still trolling the 4 chan board Clay? I haven't been there in years. Anyone able to link me to The Fappening? I'd like to go back in time for a minute and a half or so.

NJChiefsFan 10-29-2016 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12512075)
Yes, I'm sorry I misplaced a decimal. He really got me, boy!
That's a much better response than face palming his post.

KranzDictum 10-29-2016 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12509894)
Andy Reid might as well come out and say "we don't feel we need Jamaal for us to beat Indy. We don't think they will have an answer for Ware and West is a quality change of pace guy.

If this was thought of as a game that's gonna be close, Charles would be suiting up."
Or maybe they want the swelling in his knees to go down before putting him back out on the field.

They have the luxury of not needing him with Ware, West and Smith as your RB's but this is more about him fighting swelling in both of his knees than an issue of BPA.

I wonder if they aren't forced to put him on IR if he keeps having both knees swell up.

Coach Andy Reid announced the decision on Friday, capping a week that saw Charles slowed by soreness in both of his knees. The Pro Bowl runner played only two snaps in last Sunday's win over the Saints and has just 40 yards off 12 carries since making his return to the lineup in Week 4.
More here:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-versus-colts

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12511886)
I'm not buying the "he's washed up" BS...that's just internet babble.
Good call


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