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MIAdragon 11-07-2016 05:50 PM

We're the best team?! Some serious homer antifreeze going around this evening.

Rasputin 11-07-2016 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12537229)
This team doesn't need Charles at this point.

We need a healthy Maclin, Ware, and Houston. Just like last season, that all-pro crew healthy can beat anyone.

I think we can move away from Maclin as our younger receivers contribute and get playing time that gets them better so I'm not so worried about Maclin except for depth we need depth as it's always important. I want Wilson and Conley to get more opportunities thrown their way and #10 too.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12537223)

If we lost two OL at ANY time, this place would be flipping shit.

What? LDT and Morse were out with concussions for several games. Fulton played left guard and center. Stephenson played LT, LG and RT. Jah Reid played RG and RT. Fisher played RT and LT.

There was ZERO continuity on the offensive line last year, some of which bled into this year. There was a reason why the Chiefs offense was so anemic in Houston back in September and that's because Fulton started for Ehinger and Reid started for LDT.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 12537244)
We're the best team?! Some serious homer antifreeze going around this evening.

SI has the Chiefs ranked #3, behind the Pats and Cowboys.

Face it: The Chiefs are a good team.

oaklandhater 11-07-2016 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12537229)
This team doesn't need Charles at this point.

We need a healthy Maclin, Ware, and Houston. Just like last season, that all-pro crew healthy can beat anyone.

Well we were pretty healthly when we played the Texans and they rocked us.

oaklandhater 11-07-2016 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537269)
SI has the Chiefs ranked #3, behind the Pats and Cowboys.

Face it: The Chiefs are a good team.

our offense will let every team we play hang with us that's the issue I have with this team.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2016 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537269)
SI has the Chiefs ranked #3, behind the Pats and Cowboys.

Face it: The Chiefs are a good team.

No argument that we're a good team.

I guess we'll find out in 6-7 weeks if we're better than good.

MIAdragon 11-07-2016 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537269)
SI has the Chiefs ranked #3, behind the Pats and Cowboys.

Face it: The Chiefs are a good team.

The question wasn't "are the Chiefs good" that's proven, it asked if they were the best, can't see the argument for that. IMO it's a distant 3rd at best.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12537276)
Well we were pretty healthly when we played the Texans and they rocked us.

No, they were not. Both starting guards were out that game, hence poor pass protection and very few holes for Ware.

It's not surprising in the least that the holes weren't there yesterday with Ehinger out, who's definitely an upgrade over Fulton.

Hopefully, Mike Person can step in and take over the LG spot from Fulton soon and that he's an upgrade.

Fulton's a statue.

MIAdragon 11-07-2016 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12537286)
No argument that we're a good team.

I guess we'll find out in 6-7 weeks if we're better than good.

Smart man.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 12537288)
The question wasn't "are the Chiefs good" that's proven, it asked if they were the best, can't see the argument for that. IMO it's a distant 3rd at best.

I don't think I'd use the adjective "distant" when describing the Chiefs, Cowboys and Patriots.

The return of a healthy Houston puts this team firmly in the #2 spot for me and I think the Chiefs and Patriots would be a close game on a neutral spot.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537303)
I don't think I'd use the adjective "distant" when describing the Chiefs, Cowboys and Patriots.

The return of a healthy Houston puts this team firmly in the #2 spot for me and I think the Chiefs and Patriots would be a close game on a neutral spot.

I appreciate your Chiefs-colored glasses, M. I really do. No bullshit.

But Houston doesn't fix this run defense, and FFS - Elliott would go berserk against us right now. I have a hard time putting us ahead of any team with a solid run offense.

We're a good team, no doubt. I certainly hope you're right and I'm wrong come January.

Reerun_KC 11-07-2016 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537269)
SI has the Chiefs ranked #3, behind the Pats and Cowboys.

Face it: The Chiefs are a good team.

Yep. They have over all team depth, balance on offense, good defense,

Reid and Smith are the keys to our success. I don't see anything standing in the way once Smith comes back next week.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-07-2016 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12537223)
Easley got cut a year later = trash.

If we lost two OL at ANY time, this place would be flipping shit.

19 guys on IR. That's only 35% of the active roster. 35% of next man up.

This place bitches and moans when a guy or two are out.

Let me just put it this way. Last year, we had no Houston or Maclin for the playoff game.

Deal Denver that same hand. They don't have Miller or Emmanuel Sanders for the playoffs. Do they win the Super Bowl?

:hmmm:

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12537312)
I appreciate your Chiefs-colored glasses, M. I really do. No bullshit.

But Houston doesn't fix this run defense, and FFS - Elliott would go berserk against us right now. I have a hard time putting us ahead of any team with a solid run offense.

We're a good team, no doubt. I certainly hope you're right and I'm wrong come January.

I'm not concerned about the run defense as long as the pass defense is holding teams to 14 points or less.

Atlanta will be a big test. On the road, an offense that's playing lights out and maybe the best WR in the football.

I have that down as a loss but if they win, look out.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-07-2016 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537354)
I'm not concerned about the run defense as long as the pass defense is holding teams to 14 points or less.

Atlanta will be a big test. On the road, an offense that's playing lights out and maybe the best WR in the football.

I have that down as a loss but if they win, look out.

Houston and Ford will be getting after Ryan's ass by then. He won't have time for deep shots to Jones like he often does.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12537358)
Houston and Ford will be getting after Ryan's ass by then. He won't have time for deep shots to Jones like he often does.

I hope you're right but I see this as the biggest challenge of the season.

I'm less concerned about Denver at home or away, the Raiders at home, etc.

They need to play lights out in Atlanta.

MahiMike 11-07-2016 06:51 PM

Overall teamwise, I had to go with the Raiders. New England and Dallas are top 3.

jjchieffan 11-07-2016 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12537378)
Overall teamwise, I had to go with the Raiders. New England and Dallas are top 3.

Put down the crack pipe man. Faiders best team overall??? Have you seen that defense? Did you see what we did to them? The Fade are a much improved team, and a likely playoff team, but they are not the best overall team in the league. They may be in the conversation for top 5. Maybe. I put them behind NE, Dallas, KC then a huge drop off to 4th. You have a cluster there of Seattle, San Diego, Atlanta, and the Fade. Mix and match those 4 however you like. So Faiders 4-7.

DaneMcCloud 11-07-2016 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12537378)
Overall teamwise, I had to go with the Raiders. New England and Dallas are top 3.

The same Raiders that lost to the Chiefs at home?

The same Raiders that went to OT against Tampa Bay, a 2-5 team?

Rain Man 11-07-2016 08:26 PM

I think NFL Network just screwed up. They announced a poll on whether we think it'll be Dallas or New England winning the Super Bowl. No other choices, no hypotheticals. It was just, "So, which will it be? Dallas or New England?"

I'm going to make a note of this post.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-07-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12535947)
Someone is still drunk.

Narcotics.

Amnorix 11-08-2016 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12537168)
Can you name a single one of them for NE? I won't even count Charles, but did they hurt as bad as losing Houston, Maclin, Morse, or LDT?

No...


Last year? Oh, **** yes. Our two best RBs, our starting FB, our starting left tackle, one of our starting guards, our starting middle linebacker, and key depth at a number of positions, including CB and LB, which affected special teams. Sure, none of those guys individually is as good as Houston, but collectively, it had a HUGE impact. There's a reason we went from 10-0 to start the year to wheezing through the final six games and then losing in the playoffs!

DaneMcCloud 11-08-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12538274)
Last year? Oh, **** yes. Our two best RBs, our starting FB, our starting left tackle, one of our starting guards, our starting middle linebacker, and key depth at a number of positions, including CB and LB, which affected special teams. Sure, none of those guys individually is as good as Houston, but collectively, it had a HUGE impact. There's a reason we went from 10-0 to start the year to wheezing through the final six games and then losing in the playoffs!

BB is the reason the Patriots lost in Denver. He kept going for it on 4th down when a FG would have sufficed. He made the most confounding decisions I'd ever seen him make.

It was like Bizarro BB.

Amnorix 11-08-2016 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12538352)
BB is the reason the Patriots lost in Denver. He kept going for it on 4th down when a FG would have sufficed. He made the most confounding decisions I'd ever seen him make.

It was like Bizarro BB.


There were multiple reasons we lost in Denver, including BB, and Ghost missing his first point after attempt EVER.

I'm perfectly fine with blaming BB, however, the blame for him starts before we ever got to Denver, by losing two games that we should NEVER have lost (Philly and Miami), in VERY large part due to terrible coaching decisions.

If we win either of those games we have HFA and I don't believe we would have lost to Denver if it had been at Gillette.

It was, seriously, the worst year of BB coaching I can remember. Multiple strategic and tactical mistakes, a couple instances of weird/bad clock management at the end of the half or game, which NEVER happens with BB/Brady. Yeah....bizzarro BB. No sign of it so far this year however.

[conspiracy theorist]BB had to manufacture home field for Peyton so he had a plausible chance of beating the Patriots, so the NFL could crown his ass on the way out the door.[/conspiracy theorist]

NJChiefsFan 11-08-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12537303)
I don't think I'd use the adjective "distant" when describing the Chiefs, Cowboys and Patriots.

The return of a healthy Houston puts this team firmly in the #2 spot for me and I think the Chiefs and Patriots would be a close game on a neutral spot.

I don't really disagree here.

Problem for KC is that the game won't be played on a neutral site. It will be played in NE in all likelihood, and their stats their are well known. If we go to NE, we will need to play at our highest level, including game management, and not walk in playing not to lose.

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12538274)
Last year? Oh, **** yes. Our two best RBs, our starting FB, our starting left tackle, one of our starting guards, our starting middle linebacker, and key depth at a number of positions, including CB and LB, which affected special teams. Sure, none of those guys individually is as good as Houston, but collectively, it had a HUGE impact. There's a reason we went from 10-0 to start the year to wheezing through the final six games and then losing in the playoffs!

A reason why I don't think KC being healthy is all that we need to beat NE. We need a different attitude, and better execution from the players in the red zone so far this year. People talk about KC's injuries, and while NE did get key players back, the injury bug was working for them as well.

And odds are, somebody big will be missing for KC and/or NE should a rematch occur.

GoChargers 11-08-2016 10:09 AM

The Cheatriots - until their newest cheating tactic gets exposed and we have to put an asterisk on yet another season.

Amnorix 11-08-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12538470)
A reason why I don't think KC being healthy is all that we need to beat NE. We need a different attitude, and better execution from the players in the red zone so far this year. People talk about KC's injuries, and while NE did get key players back, the injury bug was working for them as well.

And odds are, somebody big will be missing for KC and/or NE should a rematch occur.


The Patriots have dominated the NFL to a large extent over the last 15 years, and seem to have a great team this year, but as always there are weaknesses. Sometimes they overcome them, and sometimes they don't. SB wins were well within reach in '06, '07, '11 and last year, but the Pats couldn't overcome the issues they had.

The pass-rush seems very weak so far this year (some players seem to be underperforming, and at other times it seems schematic), and the OLine as usual has some questions, though they've been ok so far. Third down/red area was a problem early in the year but has been corrected, seemingly.

But Brady, the skill position players and the DLine have been excellent. If we can get HFA, then I will take my chances against anyone. All teams have warts... And then, of course, there's random luck -- from the refs to the bounce of the ball. Chiefs with a good, balanced team and a good pass rush (assuming Houston is back and effective) will have as good a chance as anyone.

The more I see of Siemen the less I think of him. He's a noodle arm with decent accuracy but limited game management abilities.

Rausch 11-08-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12538470)
I don't really disagree here.

Problem for KC is that the game won't be played on a neutral site. It will be played in NE in all likelihood, and their stats their are well known. If we go to NE, we will need to play at our highest level, including game management, and not walk in playing not to lose.

On top of this we are a beat up team right now. And even when Houston returns it will be a while before he's in game shape.

Hell, last week by the end of the game the only real starters on offense playing were offensive lineman.

The impressive thing was winning last week with a combination of our 2nd and 3rd string offense...


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