You my friend are the very definition of miserable user :thumb:

We have been worse then 25+ 2 seasons in a row we have to be nearing some record in a ineptitude.

If you have any integrity at all you will eat these words when our offense melts down right when it matters.

I'm done I won't bring it up anymore till it happens again

:clap:

It's a losing battle man. You are surrounded by homers that are not here to have their mind changed by someone on the internet. The Chiefs are winning and the Sunday BBQ flows.

Besides, there is nothing anyone can do about the KC QB situation. Unless you want Foles or Bray to start, you are stuck with Smith whether you like it or not.
A lot of people here know change will not happen so they are just enjoying the ride and you come off like you are trying to shit on their good time.

Go enjoy life without the Chiefs, they really aren't worth all of your worry.

I got falsely labeled has a smith hater when I've been saying since week one it's more then smith I honestly blame Reid the most our playcalling is atrocious we are running an outdated system.

I hope even knowing it won't happened that Reid will hire a real oc after we collapse and the other shoe falls at some point this year.

When it does happen again I better not be dodgeing tomatoes when I say I was right

ROFLROFLROFL

Isn't that what it is all about?

The people that don't enjoy it because they hate the QB should maybe find a more enjoyable pastime. Why watch something that makes you miserable? The rest of us will enjoy the winning and the BBQ while it lasts.

You want to crown him? Then crown his ass!!!

I just find it odd that KC has had garbage offensive lines and receivers for four straight seasons.

What about the people who hate more then the qb on offense I honestly believe our offensive problems are more then Alex.

Our receivers aren't bad this year (except for a couple of tight ends that can't catch the ball). Smith has thrown to 9 or 10 receivers in a game several times this year. The OL has been hit with injuries but is still decent. "Garbage" is an exaggeration.

Some of us can enjoy the wins and hate the losses, while some of you can't enjoy the game even when we are winning. I would seriously stop watching if I couldn't enjoy a 7-2 season.

It just seems like last year to me but worse on offense so it's just more of the same this team doesn't look like it's grown at all on offense.

Offensive line is looking better

Ill take winning regular season then losing in the playoffs everyday over the shitshow we had the majority of time from 2007-2012. Every single time.

I do get the 'battered wife syndrome' alot of Chiefs fans have with the team though.

The 'Monster around every corner' has been true for the most part. That wont change until they win the big ones.

But i will never sit around and not enjoy winning. never.

Who are the Pac-12 football people around here? This is the first time I've seen Luke Falk for Washington St and he is throwing dimes all over the place.

Same here.

The last thing CP needs is another Alex thread, so I'm not going to start a new one, but this is a pretty fair assessment of Alex's performance last game.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...s-the-panthers

Overall summary:

With no growth on offense it won't last I wish people would just acknowledge that we have regressed on the offensive side of the ball

Smith isn't just playing bad the entire offense has regressed.

All fans should be sick of seeing shit like this from Smith. He sucks so freaking bad.

This the we just win argument or saying fantasy ball lolz adds nothing new

That is pretty fair. Alex looked rusty, and seemed to be afraid of getting hit when he ran, running out of bounds well before the defender was close to him. The rest of the O looked bad too. Dropped passes, stupid drive stopping penalties, etc. I'm hoping a lot of it is just getting back in sync with Smith after playing the week before with Foles. We'll see tomorrow if they are more in sync, I would expect it.

If we won the SB like Denver did last year people like you would be bitching that the offense didn't score even though we won.

Den had a top 15 offens last year we are at 28 it's abysmal stop bringing up den holy hell

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/t...otal/year/2015

They were 16 we were 27 it was bad last year and worse this year


And for people saying den sucks right now on offense they are 14 we are 28 any other offensive coordinator would be fired Reid will never let control go.

I believe this is true. They will only be happy when they get the style of O they want - a gunslinger at QB - and winning isn't even important to them. They would be happier losing with a gunslinger than winning with a game manager.

Den is balanced 15 and a top 10 defense we are in the running for dead last in offense.

Look at the math DEN is balanced we are not there a better football team than we are

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ilcRS5eUpwk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

You know what I said is true. Clay's minions drool after QBs with a lot of passing yards that are on teams that are losing. And aren't smart enough to know that they have a lot of passing yards because they are always playing from behind.

Seven - Nine,
feel-ing fine,
got to the tail-gate right on time,
with a check-down/screen pass,
here we go again
Until the 1st month comes scream,
"Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Heeeeeeeeeeeee-dooooooooooooooooooooooooes....
Isssssssssssssssssssssssss......
Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-19-2015/50YdB4.gif

I agree with this statement I'm not a clay minion.

The whole point I've been trying to make is the issues are bigger then Alex Reid needs a real oc are we will not be competitive.

If Reid had his offensive Bill Cowher( as Cower was the DC to Marty's HC ), KC's offense would be a minimum of 40% more effective, debate over.

As I see it, there IS no OC for the KC Chiefs; just a consultant and a salary.

If Kansas City had a baggage-free, home-grown QB capable of EXCEEDING Reid's system/playbook, the Chiefs would be shoe-ins for the AFCCG every season.

It's really up to hunt to tell reid he needs to fire him self has the OC until then fan's are stick with this shit.

Do you suffer from TFS? :grovel:



Never, ever happen. Clark cHunt's goof-ass face and Senator-hair( 'Consort' hair spray for men sold separate ) is the picture next to the phrase "hands-off" in all known dictionaries the world over.

Didn't hunt say he was taking a more hands on approach after the whole Pioli debacle ?

The Chiefs are a Hunt Family business, and it is Clark's job to make sure that business runs smooth, sets a good example within the guidelines of the NFL, and most important of all: makes the money.

His "passion" for football extends to the realm of keeping his father's legacy alive and respected.

He did, and I believe he has. But as long as he is getting successful results (7-2 is pretty damn successful) he isn't going to force any changes. No owner would.

So in you opinion this offense is good enough to take down the likes of new England at foxboro, or Dallas is the Superbowl?

No if the defense does this or this happens. Straight up the chiefs offense in the playoffs. Is it good enough to keep pace and score when needed?

How confident are you in the 2 minute offense?

And what are you basing your opinion on....

They just win seems to be the popular defense for these type of questions on here lately

That's not the question I asked. It's about the offense as a whole.

Alex Smith is who I thought he is. He is the ultimate mediocre quarterback that the Chiefs could find happened to be another 49er reject & or Joe Montana wanna be project.

What I can say is this team is 2/3 caliber for the Super Bowl defense and special teams but the offense is what is specially challenged and needs a boost. That isn't coming from Alex Smith but it does come from our special teams and defense because that's what sets us up for all them field goals and a touchdown once in a while. That's been the formula to winning this season and much of last season. I don't know if that will be good enough for the Super Bowl but we can take the division at least maybe another playoff win?.

And we're letting him off the hook.

complementary football. Offense + Defense + STs = TEAM

who is doing the heavy lifting? The offense? (22nd in dvoa) LOL hell no.

STs? (5th) and Defense? (9th) Yes, heavy lifting.

This still doesn't mean that the offense is not chipping in for these wins.. albeit, however pathetically they have.

WHO does the heavy lifting after a win? Think anyone should care? I don't.. and keep in mind.. not caring does not equal ignoring or overlooking the weak aspects. It just means that winning comes first.. and hope for strengthening the weak aspects follows along well behind winning.

Can KC win against the best in their house like this? probably not.

... but factor in that WITH Maclin and Houston back, they probably could stay close to where they are in the 3 phases of "lifting" and win it all against the best.

Again.. COMPLEMENTARY FOOTBALL. IN a perfect world, the O + D + STs would all be in the top 5.. but one of them not being top 5 does not mean they don't do SOME THINGS to help the team get those wins.

Andy is Andy, but I have never seen an owner with a record as good as ours tell a HC he can't call plays anymore in the middle of a season. It just isn't a reasonable expectation, which was my point.

Answer the question..... Can this offense do what playoff offenses need to do to win games.

Enough with the bullshit factors and team shit. Also injuries are part of the game.

So can it be counted on in the playoffs? Do you have faith in it to score and keep pace with playoof f teams?

No I get that when you ask Real questions about the chiefs offense the most likely answer you will get is they just win or go back to fantasy football.

in all likely hood we are gonna get bounced out in the 1st playoff game


at what point of finishing worse then 25 overall offense 2 years in a row is Andy gonna have to give up the reins ?

I don't remember kicking this many field goals in the 90's let alone when Herm was coach.

My point has gone completely over your head TWICE. Are you stupid?

Santos needs 12 more to tie Lowery's 1990 franchise-record for kicks made in a season.

Dude back off the hate and rude comments bullshit. I'm just discussing the feasibility of this offense in the playoffs.

How do you feel about our ability to score quickly and our two minute offense. Is it where it needs to be to compete deep in January...

You can cut the attorney nonsense of "direct the witness to answer simply yes or no, your honor" bullshit.

If you can not garner an answer from my post, then that's on you, good sir.

Jfc dude you threw every excuse in the book out there. It was painful to read. All these garbage scenarios to avoid the question.

Jfc, maybe if you learn to read, that would help.

If you are still struggling to determine an answer, then just give it up. Have another drink and stop trying to use your brain.. it's out for the evening.

That question has nothing to do with my post.

I think the people that are hoping a fully healthy team can be the only difference against a NE in NE this year need to realize that isn't going to happen. It would be amazing if this team suffers tons of injuries during the regular season and then in the playoffs, boom, healthy. Seems unlikely.

If we go into NE for a divisional round or AFCCG, odds are we will be less than full strength. To me that means Reid will have to be better, our redzone will have to be better, Alex will have to be at "his" best(haven't seen it much this year), and the defense will have to be on. Just seems like we will end up with a major guy on one side, if not both sides, of the ball missing.

Can't think that just being healthy is enough change from last years playoff loss to make the difference. Some actual differences will be needed from the players on the field and the coaches off it.

Not talking about a fully healthy team. I am thinking CERTAIN KEY players are perhaps the must have. KC can still compete deep in the playoffs, but we are likely to need JMac and Houston back out there.

Those two are in the top 4 of contract payouts for a reason. You take two of the top 4 contract players away from any playoff team, and yes.. they will struggle mightily to win out.

Starter.

Between Ware, Houston, Maclin, a tackle, and a CB, this season just screams us missing at least 2 in the playoffs. Obviously my only basis on that is last year's history and the flow of this season, so it's conjecture at it's finest. I hope I am wrong. Either way, this team has room for improvement which is encouraging. Whether they will do so, or whether Reid is even hell-bent on doing so, remains to be seen. If we expect to go on the road and play not to lose, a good team is going to slowly bleed us to death, which is what happened last year.

Someone get Chris616 back in here. He could fashion some flutes for the playoffs. Positivity.

Crickets.....

I can tell you the answer. We can't score quickly and the offense will never be where it needs to be as long as Smith is leading it. Smith has looked worse this year than ever and we have no reason to think it will get any better. At least in 2015 he ran for first downs numerous times. Now he doesn't and that is major
blow to our chances. He's missed wide open td's numerous times pointed out on film every week. Our hopes are completely tied to our defense that miraculously has made play after play to win games.

Has much as I don't like smith some of the blame needs to fall on the entire offense man there has been Drop's blow assignments all season this is bigger then Alex smith Andy is a terrible playcaller and a worse offensive coordinator.

Andy is the reason we are even talking about the playoffs instead of being 2-12 and flying banners over the stadium. People forget that.

Does not leave him blameless for the state of the offense he is a offensive mind coach who is failing in the area he is suppose to exceed in.


This is 0% Dorsey's fault Smith and Maclin are Reid's guys and both of them have underperformed at en almost embarrassing level this year.

Andy Reid is pretty much Brian Billick at this point a offensive mind coach that has failed spectacularly at the one thing he was brought in to fix.

but he gets to hang around cause the team is doing so well on the other side of the ball.

Well, you are an expert at being embarrassing.

Bass really I'm trying to have a football conversation with you don't be a tool.

You want to argue my points then go ahead be an adult about this and argue what Reid has done better than Billick

Andy is certainly not perfect but the all 22 films don't lie. Alex has missed many td's that would make Andy look better. The system is not the big issue most of the time. No offense will score when the QB can't see the field enough to throw it to open players.

Alex is Andy's guy he is the one Andy couldn't wait to trade for.

and I'm skeptical of how much of it is Alex and how much of it is Andy Foles and Smith look carbon copies during the jags game.

I say that Hating every fiber of Alex smith.

I gave you stats in the other thread and you ignored them.

and I dropped stats that you ignored for all the fans saying that den offense sucked too there leagues better then where we are right now in terms of offense.

This. Yeah, sometimes Andy has suspect play calling during specific situations. His passing concepts are on point though and the A22 does show quite a few big plays left on the field. All this was known when the picked Smith up. He is running the spread just like he did in Utah. Short, safe throws to force the defense to come down and protect short, outside the numbers, then they take shots deep and up the seams. With Hills big play ability, they should start running more RPO concepts.

KC had a talented roster sans( gee, which position could it be, I wonder? )prior to Reid's arrival. John Dorsey with a combination of Marvin Lewis or even that walking drool-bucket from Dallas could have accomplished a wild card win with the KC roster.

If you take away Reid's ability to communicate with individual players and groups of players, he's more useless than paper towel armor in a razor cage death-match.

Yeah I know; "all the winning"(!) etc. etc.... :rolleyes:

It's really a shame that under Reid, the Chiefs have had 4 straight losing seasons