Damned if you do damned if you don't. If he has a great year people would complain that we should have signed him earlier. Just like with Berry and Houston.
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I posted the wrong link, it's fixed now.

CP continually jerks about how important fatties are and why they need to be drafted with premium picks.

Can't have it both ways, folks.

:facepalm:

Chiefs don't give a **** about that position.

So its 20 million guaranteed for 7 years since it's an extension right? That's not bad.
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What the ****?

He's a guy that if we cut tomorrow...I dont think anyone would really care.

I HOPE it's an extremely team friendly deal. Should be focusing 100% on keeping Berry at the moment and not giving JAG's big contracts.

No but when your team's MVP is in need of a major contract extension, a move like this is probably #15-20 on the priority list.

For a G to make that much, he better be a borderline pro bowler at worst.

Yeah, I wanna see more details before I freak out - but on the surface this looks ugly.

Not sure what they see in the kid to warrant Top 5 money, or why they felt the need to do it now.

Someday folks will learn that nothing matters until the structure is released.

Maybe.

Yeah, on it's face this does look ****ing nutty, but Dorsey's not an idiot - I suspect, like the Parker deal before it, that the structure will tell the tale on this one. Probably more like a 4 year deal with an AAV in the neighborhood of $6 million/season over the 4 years.

Still more than I'd have paid, though. Guard's the kind of position you should churn through in the draft and look to save money for the impact players on your roster.

Or hey - look at it from this perspective: that money has to come from somewhere (as I expect the extension won't kick in until the 2018 season), so that would seem to suggest that Smith isn't going to be on the roster in 2018.

Its a finesse offensive line really. Schwartz, LDT, Morse-- they all stand out in pass pro. Which would be fine if we were a team that had a QB who could sit back there and throw 35-40 times a game, even with a lead.

No it's not. It's not confusing at all.

Zach Fulton, Mike McGlynn, Ben Grubbs, Jeff Allen. Every single one of these guys either sucked or was a brokedick. Even Parker Ehinger is currently in "broke dick" status.

It's not surprising at all that they invested in the only good G we've had in this regime that is A. really good at pass blocking (have you heard that Andy likes to throw the ball?) and B. Not a brokedick

It kicks in for the 2017 season. In hindsight, Parker has been worth every penny and then some. Hard to believe how many flipped out about that deal.

LDT likely would have taken 5-6 million per year if it was offered. The extension isn't confusing, the $$$ is.

He's not a top 5 guard right now. Until he becomes good in the run game, he can't be put in that group.

I knew healthcare costs were out of control, but wow when are we gonna get the ACA repealed and replaced?

Gearing up for the future?

That's about all I can give you.

Also, calling Ehinger a brokedick is awfully premature. The guy had a Justin Houston type of freak injury where a player whipped into his leg 20 yards downfield on a screen pass.

Dorsey's been brilliant at finding scrap players.

Gotta give him credit for this... so far, he's been very smart about cutting good players at the right time. Can't think of a player cut who went on and did well. So that's reassuring because he obviously sees something in LDT.

But in terms of salary negotiation, I don't know how great he's been. He's overpaid for several players.

LDT was going to be a free agent after this year.

Good time for an extention. We either had to commit to him now, or draft a OG in one of the the first three rounds. Now we don't.

on a positive note, It is highly probable that we are not drafting OL in the first round this year.

Entire starting OL (if you include Ehinger) is under contract the next two seasons. That's quite a luxury.

Well if it does kick in for 2017, that's a pretty serious problem.

Because it's effectively a 4-year, $40 million extension that point. The 'new money' in the contract would be WAY over the top and frankly, if there's $20 million in guaranteed money (in 4 years), it gives Dorsey that much less room to wiggle and build in 'fake' money at the back.

If this is a 4 year extension on top of the 5th year at virtually nothing, that's a pretty bad start.

Where did you see that it kicks in this year?

My bad on that guys, had one of those moments where I forgot what year it was.

It kicks in during 2018.

So his cap hit will go up when guys like Smith and Hali are off the team. Sounds fine to me.

They haven't released the $$$ figures yet. People freak out over shit like this and no information is given.

Wait until the yearly cap hits are revealed

No worries, that actually makes it a pretty decent deal. Especially after we see what TJ Lang and Levitre will get.

Figured that had to be the case.

Probably still need to pump the brakes before going too far off the rails. It's not unreasonable to think that a deal that's 5 years long could have a salary approaching $15 million at the end (inflation's a bitch). So if this thing is actually a 4 year, $26 million extension with $10 million in bonus and years 1 and 2 guaranteed with year 3 partially guaranteed to reach $20 million in guaranteed 'new' money, then you end up with an ascending guard at slightly below market for good interior lineman.

Let. The. Structure. Come. Out.

We have to re-teach this lesson every year.

On a bright note, the 2018 FA list for the Chiefs seems very bare in terms of big time talent.

The only major names on it are Dee Ford (who won't be when his 5th-year option is picked up), Jamaal Charles (may not even be there in '17), and Jaye Howard. The rest are JAGs, unless someone steps up big time.

Yeah, if LDT continues his upward trend its entirely possible that he winds up as a Pro Bowl guard who is making the same % of the cap as each year progresses.

Top overall grade: C Mitch Morse, 82.5 (No. 14)

Top pass-blocking grade: G Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, 83.9 (No. 26)

Top run-blocking grade: LT Eric Fisher, 82.8 (No. 11)

They clearly view LDT as their TJ Lang. Both elite in pass pro, average in run blocking

Gross.

Larry the turd is turrble...

You guys just want something to bitch about. He's been a decent guard. Contracts go up every year

NO dlphg9....LTD is harder to watch than you when you've accidentally lubed your tampon with icy hot.

We aren't paying him like a decent guard. We are playing like a top-3 guard in the NFL. Yes, contracts go up but not that much.

Hopefully, it's dramatically backloaded

You swore you wouldn't tell anyone about that

I fear if I stay online I will be unleashing A LOT of unknown truths upon undeserving people.

They fired the team doctor. The Big Tard is giving us a 2 for 1 special.

Maybe it's Canadian Dollars.

Morse is our only lineman that didn't give up a sack in 2016

You can't overpay for guards and safeties because you have to overpay for pass rushers, quarterbacks, cornerbacks and OTs.

I'll ruin you if you do

Shut up

But why wait and see when it's so fun to shit your pants and then eat it when the deal turns out to be a good one?

Listen here you silly lipped sonnabitch....You couldn't play guard on a bag of carrots at a Jenny Craig convention. Don't **** with me, I will SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK

That's sort of misleading since the center is often left uncovered by defenses while OT's always have a pass rusher in their face.

Centers often help the guards or deals with 2nd-level guys

Morse was one of only three NFL centers not to give up a sack in 2016

Please. It's all I've ever wanted from you

**** off

But... you can't get any better than zero. am I right ?

:clap:

Now or later?

THE OFFS AREN'T GOING TO **** THEMSELVES, dumbass!

Star?

I will make a bet with any poster here that this is wrong and LDT's cap hit in his first 2 years (likely 2018/2019) are very reasonable while the rest is backloaded.

Tardif means trim your pits and bush in French

I agree

This was a big surprise for me

ROFL

mentioned that already

Clay calls him average at best. That's good enough for me to think it was a good deal.

Is Morse being shown the door? Hard time believing that this organization can pay for 4 veterans on the O-line. Too much $$.

Look for the Berry deal to be done within the next few hours

He's under contract through 2018, there's plenty of time to figure that out.

ROFL where is this coming from?

Both we and the Patriots have hit paydirt on sixth-round picks, apparently.

Good for Tardif, but that seems like pretty good money for a right guard.

If we had had Tardif on concussion protocol, Jamaal would have played that playoff game against Indianapolis a couple of years ago.

My ass.

But seriously, it's going to happen.

If he repairs Charles and Houston's ACLS it's a steal.

I just don't understand why they felt that right now was the time to do this.

When would have been a better time?
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Anytime after this season. They had avenues to lock him down for 3 additional years beyond 17, so I don't understand the pressing need to make this happen.

That's when this deal kicks in.

His cap hit is still 660k this year?

Report says Eric Berry, Chiefs working on deal to make him highest paid safety in NFL

link? source?

Not disputing, just eager to hear where the report came from.

Yeah. It's an extension.

That's what it sounded like.