Speaking of ****ing cucks...

You're back to pimp rotational JAGs like Bennie Logan.

The siren call of another Chiefs season is too much for you to resist.

I see were attempting to de-rail another thread here and turn it into more anti-Alex bullshit.

Yea.

This board definitely needs more of this . . . .

Sorry, I'm trolling. Hard.

I'll stop now.

Im not surprised by the Poe developments.

I had a very strong feeling that this would be Aubrayo Franklin part II.

Poe is a $5-6 million a year player.

Can he throw a td in the end zone?

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Bennie will be the best Defensive Lineman we have ever had from LSU.

Jeff Kerr @JeffKerr247
Eagles allowed just 90.7 rush yards in 12 full games Bennie Logan played in 2016. 141.0 in games he failed to finish/sat out with injury.
11:06 AM - 30 Jan 2017

See what happens when you cherry pick stats Clay?

So now we're back to looking at him as a 4-3 DT?

He played 14 run snaps per game last year.

Rotational player if this is the angle you're taking.

Otherwise, you have to admit signing the starting NT from 2015's worst run defense isn't a positive.

...in a 4 3 defense. PFF sucks.

Anything to get those turds Reyes and Roaches Nachos off the field

This is where the upgrade lies in my mind. Especially Roches, who got pushed around in the run game.

Not much difference in 34 and 43 these days anyway. Teams are in different front about 75 percent of the time.

He's actually a pretty nice complementary player for Nacho.

Because yeah, Nunez-Roches struggled like hell to anchor in the run game. Honestly, I just don't know that he has the 'want to' to be a plus run player. I can't say that I blame him, it's thankless as **** and he gets quite a bit of love for his splash plays in the passing game.

As long as he's taking up double teams for most of any given play, great signing.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...rprise-upside/

Better run stuffer than anyone on the roster. He's got a lot of value here.

There is in the context of the conversation we're having. We're talking about scheme fit for a 2 down NT that clearly had more success in the 3-4.

Its apparent that as a run stuffer, he certainly rises above the "jag" word being thrown around by some

Theres no good reason to poo-poo this signing, he very much fills a desperate need

There has been numerous players who had really poor PFF grades that came and played in this defensive regime and played really good football.

They've earned my trust on these types of deals, plain and simple. I think Logan, starter or not, is a nice addition in that DL room and presumably helps our biggest defensive weakness last year.

He's going to be a rotational depth guy with the potential for more. If he pans out and returns to form, great. If he doesn't, then we know the scheme wasn't the issue and he'll be released/not-resigned.

Low risk, high upside signing.

Lets not read into it anymore than what it really is. His contract pretty much dictates what he is.

At least you realize it now and stop before we have to tell you, thanks. Next time try to not start

Cheaper than Poe was. Better than Poe is (now). Sign me up.

Did you see our run defense last year?

I didn't either.

Some 2015 highlights:

https://youtu.be/4UpKJUS1asg

Somebody throw that damn troll a free taco bell coupon so he shuts the hell up

Cox with Logan 6.5 sacks. Cox 3 games without Logan 0 sacks.

Run defense W/Logan: 92 ypg
Run defense w/o Logan: 141 ypg

woah

JAG

Heh.

Not necessarily. I mean, the chiefs were in a traditional 34 set with a 0 tech this year, what, like 5 percent of the time?

Maybe it was because of personel and Logan helps that though

1 year, $8 million for Logan per ESPN

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-one-year-deal

Uhhh? That has to be an up to $8M. Wouldn't it be an $8M cap hit then?

We can't afford that right now.

Don't shoot the messenger. Details unclear at this point. ESPN report is all I've seen thus far.

Oh no nothing personal. Just very confused.

This means more moves have to be made. Restructures and/or cuts soon.

Oh I took nothing personal - that number is puzzling. I am sure the answers will manifest shortly.

I would guess it's half incentives but :shrug:

Under the radar signing. We'll see how it works out. Still wishing for Hightower although we won't.

Watching Seth Keysor's breakdown and Logan is doing a far better job against the Steelers once than Poe did either time we played them.

I think being a good NT comes from pad level and lower power. Logan is 6'2" and just gets under OL and bull rushes them into the QB like Justin Houston.

Man it's gonna be fun seeing this front 7.

what kind of incentives do you give a friggin NT.

You draw 67 double teams and you get 1 mil ?

Gates approves of this signing.

You can give incentives for starts, accolades, stats, all kinds of sh*t.

Holy ****.

$8 million? That better be BS.

Because if not, this team is showing a startling tendency towards paying market prices for the easiest positions on the field to fill in the draft.

Guard, box safety and 0 tech. Those are not high-skilled, high degree of difficulty positions. Those are positions you fill in the draft and surround with premier talent at higher priority positions to ensure they don't cripple you.

The positional value of where they've chosen to spend money this off-season is incredibly puzzling.

Arthur Bryant is busting a move out of jubilation

Unfortunately...

What all do you consider to be the premiere positions? I think it's scheme dependent, but in KC's case.

I would say obviously QB, edge rusher, and CB seem to be the positions that every team needs to be good at in terms of talent.

Ever body is getting big money. It's all relative.

8 million is more than Bailey, Jones or Howard will make this season lol

Bet it's incentive loaded

I thought quality zero techs in the 3-4 were super important and tough to find? I thought that's why Poe was so important when he was playing well?

Good ones are. We just play soool much of that lameass 2-3-6 that teams exploit it and gash us with the run.

Bennie Logan is a better run stuffer than Poe. We would all probably be okay with brining Poe back on this deal. It's a one year deal. Who gives a shit?

Players take pay cuts to play for teams that may actually get them a ring. We don't have a QB that media and players believe can do that. Why do you think the Donkeys are now having FA trouble and the Pats aren't. One of them lost their HOF QB.

All three positions in the 3-4 are important and critical. Especially with all the dime we play.

Tuck, my man. Do you have to find a way to bitch about Smith in every thread?

Makes sense. It was just odd to hear DJ down play the position.

Realities of new salary cap.

Low end paid like mid-tier.

Mid-tier paid like superstar.

Superstar paid like HOF.

He did take a nice shot at Horsey though too...

Impact, 3-down zeros are exceptionally valuable and hard to find.

Big bodied run-stuffers that will play maybe 50% of our defensive snaps? Not so much.

We aren't looking at using Logan as a gap-splitting presence. He's going to be told to just stand there and occupy space. No, that's not tough to find.

It's like peak DJ vs. Joe Mays. DJ makes is position valuable because how well he's able to play it. But if you don't have an elite guy there, it doesn't make sense to spend a bunch of money on a limited player at a less critical position.

IIRC, we didn't use a 0 tech very often this year. They were in that goofy 2 DL, 15 DB stuff a lot.

Seemed to make an indisputably huge impact in Philly...

Which poe are we talking about? 8 million is a lot for a guy when we are in a tight position. I like the signing but that price is a bit steep. The "cap is a myth" comments are in themselves becoming a myth.

This isn't directed at you but for a team wanting to stay flexible and not pay for positions we kind of are. I'm a big Dorsey guy but not over the moon about these contacts. I understand why he made them but not sure they will hold value. Berry was a tough one though. Intangibles can be overblown but his are legit. Especially with she maybe not being around.

Of course we aren't even sure about the actual numbers yet on this one. I guess Dorsey believes it won't constrain us against the cap this year.

I'm gonna puke if they give Alex Smith an extension.

There's gotta be something to this...KC doesn't have the $ to make this deal.

The kid is a perfect fit for us and will definetly help the defense in its weakest part...but 8m for 1 year?

Where's that money coming from?

I'm getting to the point where I hope they give him a 5+ year extension just to see the shit lords of this forum squeal in anger. It would be amazing.

I am going to be so mad if they add on another 2 years just to move some money around for the present

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32 years young!

Good signing. Still hope we sign Poe.

Good signing. Add some speed/youth to the LB corp and secondary via the draft and the defense is looking pretty good.

Chiefs gotta be flat broke now. Can't afford nothing else.

Dorsey used to make a killing on deals. His Jamaal Charles extension, Sean Smith deal, Hussain Abdullah 2-year contract + extension, Tyvon Branch's piddle shit deal, Mike DeVito had a pretty decent contract for us... we're probably not paying Travis Kelce as much as we could for being a top 3 TE in the NFL. Those are all awesome deals. But not we've put out some extensions and offers that really aren't what we should be getting.

It's kind of jaw-dropping how Dorsey has gotten kinda fleeced recently.

Gross, man.

Also, not surprised that you have topless photos of Alex Smith on your computer.

Alex Smith is a fat ****ing pig. He needs to lose some weight.

He probably downs a tube of cookie dough to make himself feel better every time he comes up short of expectations.

Wouldn't surprise me if the 8M number has some decent portion as incentives.

http://overthecap.com/2017-contract-...-bennie-logan/

Interesting read.

Prior to last season, OTC predicted that Bennie Logan would get a 4 year, 27m deal this offseason.

The article shows a bunch of data showing what Bennie brings to the table.

This could be a pretty underrated signing

:Lin: tell him to keep his gay porn in the pictures thread

It's the market dude. You're overpaying no matter who it is. At least Dorsey doesn't get cheap with good players, and end up overpaying for guys like Stephenson and Watson (ala Elway).

I don't think Dorsey has gotten fleeced at all. The Hali deal was terrible, but he signed Schwartz last year to an incredible deal. Many thought Jaye Howard was a great value signing. Locked up West/Ware for peanuts. Even Sorensen's deal is a good one.

Incognito mode on my Chrome, bro.

Does Alex have a restraining order against Tiger?

didn't brady refuse a certain raise to ensure he had good weapons around him? not talking about incentives if they win the super bowl, but flat out gave money back to spread elsewhere? :D

they got Ealy, Dwayne Allen, Cooks and Gilmore for what the Jets are paying 1 Mo Wilkerson in salary this year

Gilmore is the only one of those four that New England signed to a new contract so I'm not sure how this fits into the discussion about players taking less money to play with Brady.