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Rasputin 08-22-2017 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13030728)
Ticket revenue is minuscule compared to the $9 billion dollars in TV revenue.

Yeah I know that too but if the stadiums start looking half empty because of lost interest in going do to cost increase then I think it would have a trickle effect on TV because viewers will notice the crowds not into it and that will affect the mindset of watching games imo it will be a downward spiral. Image is everything.


Baseball the World Series is exciting because you see all those people in the stands even though the cost of a single ticket can be in the thousands it's not an average home game during the season. After saying that about WS tickets being so expensive I don't know if I have a point? People will pay out the ass for good product but if the product doesn't look appealing then they wont and I think that is my point with the empty seats for watching it on TV.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030739)
Yep.

And the PPV model won't recapture what the inevitable cable rights contraction bubble gives back as the bubble peters out. There just aren't enough viewers to make up for what the non-viewers are presently subsidizing. Player salaries, at least in relation to inflation, will be going down at some point and I don't think that point is too far off.

Within 10 years the owners won't have the license to print money they do now and as the television experience gets better and better, their ability to recover ANYTHING via gate sales will be diminished. Most teams can't sell out with any regularity now, even when they have quality squads.

The supply and demand curves are already not intersecting at the present price points - owners can't just keep jumping up the ticket prices infinitely.

Which may well be what causes the standoff - everyone involved in the game would be wise to make hay while the sun is shining. It won't be this bright for much longer no matter what any of them do.

And dopey gigantic stadiums, outside of Los Angeles and Las Vegas, will and should be a thing of the past.

With Los Angeles, the stadium build makes complete sense because we're hosting the 2028 Olympics. Finally, there will be a venue to support a Final Four, which has never been hosted by any city on the West Coast.

Vegas makes sense, too, as it's already a destination. But IMO, future stadiums should be limited to 50,000 seats or less, especially with the advent of UHD 4K TV's, not to mention, the emergence of Virtual Reality.

prhom 08-22-2017 05:44 PM

Figures, KC gets a franchise QBOTF only to squander his prime years on strike.

FlaChief58 08-22-2017 05:54 PM

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Marcellus 08-22-2017 05:56 PM

Millionaires fighting with Billionaires. Sorry I dont feel for either of them.

ptlyon 08-22-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13030710)
I hope Winston gets AIDS in less than 20 years

Not with a face like that. Well, maybe with a face like that.

Hoover 08-22-2017 06:10 PM

I liked that guy until I saw that narly mouth of his, not suprised at the stupid shit that comes out of it.

RobBlake 08-22-2017 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 13030378)
Love these forward thinking football players. Winston showing off that he is a neanderthal. These guys should be told the same thing as any other worker..if you don't like working here please feel free to find a different line of work.

They complain about hours and work conditions..tell that crap to coal miners who toiled away and got black lung for much less. No one forces these football guys to play..they could go look for other jobs but instead they will take their millions and whine and cry about it. Whatever job you take you go into it knowing the risks associated with it. Man up and do your job or find one you feel fits you better. Tired of the whining.

I don't fully believe and agree with you. There should be protection of the workers. Just because there's a difference of degrees to auburn doesn't mean there isn't pain associated with each one.

Valiant 08-22-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13030618)
It is a complicated situation because of the amount of players on an NFL roster compared to the other sports and because of all the injuries that happen in football.

Overall, all things considered, I think NFL players deserve more money. It's the most popular sport in America and generates the most money yet the players are vastly underpaid compared to other sports. Something isn't right here.

What do the players get revenue percentage wise compared to other sports?

Only thing they should try for is guaranteed contracts. And the league shouldn't pay out more than 50% revenue.

Valiant 08-22-2017 06:28 PM

Only ones that should be pissed are the fans and stadiums that get fleeced by them.

Hoopsdoc 08-22-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13030561)
Step 1: Fire DeMaurice Smith
Step 2: Hire a nasty shark
Step 3: Threaten a strike
Step 4: Publicly state that the quality of NFL games will decrease significantly if the Player's go on strike or are replaced.
Step 5: Watch as the TV networks scramble, become scared and put clauses into their new deals IF a strike or lockout occurs.


The result: The owners suddenly are more open to negotiations that give a little back to the players.

I agree with all, except wasn't DSmith supposed to be the shark when they hired him? Seems I remember something to that effect.

I don't fault the players for wanting a little back, I just don't like all the whining now when THEYRE the ones who caved last time. IOW, if you didn't like the idea of Goodell hearing disciplinary stuff, why did you agree to it?

Red Dawg 08-22-2017 06:51 PM

Work stoppage my ass. Players are dependent on their checks to support their life like it's an episode of ballers. Life span in the league is short for most of them so they have to get all they can as fast as they can.

Owners are the ranchers and players are the cattle. They already gave Goodell an extension just to send the message "We do whatever we want."

kcxiv 08-22-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13030702)
No matter what side anyone is on it's going be the fans that pay for it. I have no problem with players wanting a bigger piece of the pie they deserve it. However the owners will just increase the price of tickets and the fans will pay for it.

When people can't afford to go they wont and then there will be less revenue for the NFL.

im not paying for shit, it will save me money if anything! im totally fine with my baseball and basketball. Lakers will be pretty good by then, so im ok with it! lol

ILChief 08-22-2017 07:02 PM

he's still in the league?

Rasputin 08-22-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 13030932)
he's still in the league?

That surprised me too lol. He will probably get Andy Dalton killed and hear cheers then AJ McKlingon comes in.

GloryDayz 08-22-2017 07:12 PM

The dude just needs to shut the **** up. He's NOT a gladiator. But he might be a better gladiator that a football player. The dude is pure ass...

sedated 08-22-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 13030852)
Only thing they should try for is guaranteed contracts. And the league shouldn't pay out more than 50% revenue.

Guaranteed contracts in a sport with this many injuries, and career threatening ones, might be a lesson in the law of unintended consequences.

It would probably take an even more drastic restructuring of finances, and we know the owners are just fine with things as they are.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 07:42 PM

I'm all for the NFL guaranteeing contracts but they'll need to make changes to the salary cap structure.

Maybe something like the Top 30 contracts are treated just as they are today, but the bottom 23 aren't counted against the cap as dead money.

I'm sure that some that some type of agreement can be made.

Dave Lane 08-22-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030483)
It's anchoring.

The problem Winston faces is that he doesn't have an infinitely long timeline to work with here. His constituency is comprised of people who have Bentley payments to make and 4th and 5th houses to pay for as well as extremely short careers in which to make the money that allows them to do it.

Worse still, for the guys on the fringes, a single year out of work now doubles the pool of new labor (effectively 2 years worth of draftees) and thus greatly increases the odds of them just being out on the street, $500K poorer and with no long-term NFL prospects now.

So for the super rich that are spending like sailors on shore leave, they'll want that money to cover exorbitant expenses because they live like idiots. For the young guys on rookie deals who are looking at 3-5 year careers, they can't afford to lose 20% of their career and earning potential in a Pyrrhic victory.

There isn't an easy 'negotiation tactic' for Winston here because he doesn't really have a hammer. At least not one that's easily wielded. So he has to throw some haymakers in the hopes they land. Sooner or later his own constituency will lack the political will to allow him to follow through on any long-term leverage.

I damn sure don't envy him.

I'm with you, put me in the who gives a shit what he says while negotiating camp.

kccrow 08-22-2017 10:05 PM

The NFL finds itself behind other sports in paying players, but they also pay more staffing. So, without financial reports of every single major sports' league team, it'd be difficult to judge just where they sit.

Superficially, this is how the major leagues stacked up in 2016 (did my best to get it to show up):

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SPORT        ROSTER        TEAMS        TOTAL PLAYERS*        TEAM CAP**        LEAGUE CAP***        AVE PLAYER SALARY        APPROX .REVENUES        APPROX. PLAYER SHARE
NFL        53        32        1,696          $155,270,000          $4,968,640,000          $2,929,623          $13,000,000,000        38.2%
MLB        40        30        1,200          N/A                  $3,633,530,244          $3,027,942          $9,500,000,000        38.2%
NBA        15        30        450          $94,140,000          $2,824,200,000          $6,276,000          $4,800,000,000        58.8%
NHL        23        31        713          $73,000,000          $2,263,000,000          $3,173,913          $3,700,000,000        61.2%
*Not all leagues must meet the Max Roster Size, so approximate to show comparison                                                               
**NFL and NHL have hard caps, NBA has soft cap w/ exclusions and special allowances so may be higher, MLB does not have a cap.                                                               
***MLB reported as total of Opening Day Salaries

Any way you slice it, there's an issue here.

For starters, the salary cap has not aligned with the supposed 48/47% of revenues agreement in the CBA, which means that it looks like NFL teams are receiving approximately 19% of revenues from Non-AR related activities (Reference page 62 of the CBA, I'm not explaining this here).

If I'm the NFLPA, I'm pushing for a hard 47% of prior year's total revenues rule for the next CBA and a doubling of the current Vet Minimum scale along with guaranteeing all contracts for injury.

This would have pushed last year's cap to about $176 million, an increase of $21 million.

I kind of used the Chiefs as a close approximation for changing the minimum wage scale, assuming an approximate 37 players tiered as 5 at 0 yrs, 5 at 1 yrs, 6 at 2 yrs, 6 at 3 yrs, 5 at 4-6 yrs, 5 at 7-9 yrs, and 5 at 10+ yrs. This is probably a bit rich, but better to be conservative. This would push vet minimum salaries in this situation from an estimated $27.9 million to $55.8 million. The approximate increase in salary cap based on the hard 47% would about cover the increase in veteran wage scale.

This ensures that all players make at least $1 million per year.

I don't expect the NFL to pay players more than other leagues on a per player basis, that'd be ridiculous. They should, however, be putting all athletes in a situation where they'd be financially stable within their first 3 years in the league as they'd otherwise be in other sports.

I also don't expect NFL owners to pay as much as the NBA and the NHL do to players. Staffing and Stadium operating costs are significantly higher and you cannot get around that. The NFL also have the 88 Benefit and other provisions that don't exist in other leagues. And this may be a contention point going forward, what to do about CTE and how much of the burden NFL owners should be responsible for.

My theory is that the owners should provide the safest possible environment for players, but they shouldn't be held completely responsible for CTE. Players know the risk and are paid handsomely to play a game. I think players should plan to insure themselves in that event and know that it's a likely outcome.

In any event, my 10 cents.

Frazod 08-22-2017 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 13030932)
he's still in the league?

That was my first thought as well.

ping2000 08-22-2017 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13030368)
Dethpicable

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jaa1025 08-22-2017 10:14 PM

This should embarrass the players and they should find a new spokesman. Jesus.

GloryDayz 08-22-2017 10:16 PM

Eric Winston is disgusting.

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loochy 08-23-2017 05:06 AM

Spoiler!

mdchiefsfan 08-23-2017 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13030433)
Winston strikes me as the kind of guy who wears velcro shoes.

ROFL That is VERY fitting!

GloryDayz 08-23-2017 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13031788)

That should be a ring tone.

dtrain 08-23-2017 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13030624)
Jesus, people. Quit comparing NFL players to Regular Joe jobs.

Your choice to be a ****ing coal miner.

Jealousy is a bitch.

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