A 2019 4th for Ragland was an amazing trade.

Erving for a 5th was a nice trade that, sadly, provides an upgrade to Jah Reid and Jordan Devey.

The Chiefs have done a tremendous job coaching up late round offensive talent (LDT, Ehinger, Fulton) have done a very nice job with Fisher and Morse, not to mention Witzmann, a small school UDFA.

I think Erving will be fine as a backup.

Hopefully, Veech can trade away some guys that will be cut and get some of these draft picks back.

Yeah I just can't get too upset over losing late picks. Chances of them hitting on the pick is low anyway

Uggggg. https://twitter.com/nickwilson923/st...57560185139201


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Wouldn't be surprised IF Veach is trying to pull that off as well even though we probably can't afford him.:shrug:

That's my vote as well. This doesn't make make a lot of sense to me, but whatever

Veach, go get Matt Jones and call it a day

Our draft in 2018 as of right now?

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Another good trade by Veach

If he sucks? Oh ****ing well. We attempted to coach up someone that apparently was talented at one time and it only cost us a 5th round pick. Cut him and sign someone else to do the job. If it works out.....then we got a swing tackle that's young and talented.

Nothing lost here.

Where's our 4th? The Ragalnd trade was for a 2019 4th, so unless I'm missing something we should have one.

More proof that the LG position is a dumpster fire. Ehinger and Witzmann won't even be on this roster next year.

Excellent trade. Erving sucked at LT but I bet he can plug in at guard and be a big upgrade immediately.

:facepalm:

Holy shit you can't possibly be this stupid. Erving is clearly going to be our swing tackle you ****ing moron.

Who's upset? The question is if Fisher goes down are we still ****ed? The answer is yes.

Elway gave up a conditional 7th for a much better guard, in Allen Barbre.

Erving still needs work but his versatility makes him the perfect 6th olineman, hes better than any of the depth the Chiefs have, not sure if hes everyday starter material yet. This makes Jah Reid expendable and that alone is a net gain

Barber also sucks and he's 33 years old with no upside. Huge difference you ****ing idiot.

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I disagree.

Schwartz and Morse can play LT and I wouldn't be surprised if the Doc could play at LT, either.

While it wouldn't be ideal, they have enough versatility in the offensive line room to keep them afloat.

Elway is starting a QB who couldn't win a job at Northwestern over practice squad wide receiver Kain Coulter.

I've heard Fulton would be the backup LT. I don't see how that's possible.

https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/sta...56763061858314

He practiced at RT and LT this preseason but he's not the backup RT & LT.

The coaches were just taking a look.

He's not. That's your new starter at LG. Watch.

Dane, this was one day ago buddy...

Yesterday. YESTERDAY you'd give up no more than a 7th for him. Today a 5th is 'a great value'. C'mon man, you're sucking dick for the sake of sucking it here. This is fine - there's no reason to castigate Veach and in fact some credit is due for recognizing a need and attempting to upgrade it. But folks are going HAM for no real reason right now.

Want to make another stupid bet?

Loser has to go away for the rest of the season?

I hope this guy can play. Browns owe us some payback for Dwayne Bowe...

You're right, I have the Ragland trade listed for next year instead of 2019.

That helps.

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If we can trade Alex Smith at some point that will be a huge boost for next year's draft. I hope Mahomes proves he's ready in time for a Smith trade.

BV is one intense, passionate and competitive guy based on his words and body language from his limited time in video interviews that I have seen. That is the first thing I look for are the type of words he uses, demeanor/tone in how he say's them and his body language. And you are seeing his intense, passionate competitiveness on display these past few days as we speak.:thumb:

DJ just came.

your missing the 4th rounder. And right now, I'm happy with all those trades. The 1st rounder is the only one that really matters anyway and what the hell are those for if not to draft a QBOTF?

LMAO

You got me. Of course, it was massive hyperbole but I said it, nonetheless.

The reality is that I doubt they could have drafted an offensive lineman in the 5th round of the 2018 draft that has as much upside as Erving.

Kevin Hogan
Tyreek Hill
DJ Alexander
James O'Shags
Aaron Murray
Sanders Commings

1 great starter and 1 good ST drafted with our 5th round picks in this regime.

I am all for this with the roster being as set as it is. Get rid of Jah Reid and save money with this kid as a reserve. Fulton, Witzmann and Erving make me feel very comfortable at backup.

Zach Fulton is most likely gone after this season, so Erving being here for a year to learn our scheme and bulk up as a cheap 2018 backup G/C is great. We can draft another guy next spring to develop for 2019.

Chiefs acquire OT/C Cameron Erving from Browns for 5th-round pick

The Chiefs weren't one of the teams I highlighted that could trade for Cameron Erving, as they didn't have a need at center or right tackle. However, Erving was acquired to serve as a versatile backup. He can play four of the five positions up front. He can't play those positions well, but he can at least be penciled into the lineup at four spots.

Erving has been a complete failure thus far as a former first-round pick, routinely whiffing on blocks and getting called for penalties. However, he does have talent, so motivation has been an issue. Perhaps being with a winning organization will help him make something out of his career. We've seen it with Greg Robinson, who has improved in Detroit after floundering with the Rams. For a fifth-round pick, why not take a chance on him?

As for the Browns, it's nice that they got at least something for Erving. I get the sense that they were going to dump Erving during final cuts, so it's great that they received a fifth-round pick for him.

Grade for Chiefs - B+
Grade for Browns - A-
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If insert team loses their LT they'll be in trouble.

That's my thought. Eric Fisher isn't a top 5 OT but he isn't horrible. If Fisher had been moved around every position on the line he would have probably been pretty shitty as well. Let the guy focus on tackle. He certainly wouldn't be the first player to struggle early on but turn it around.

FYI you don't want Erving playing tackle. He was a complete dumpster fire this preseason.

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He's played guard before and he's vastly more talented than anyone we have at LG currently. He's gonna start. Watch.

They get an A- for trading a 1st round pick for scraps.


LOL

Nah I'm not that confident. But this smells like a LG fix to me.

Cutting Reid saves you 3 million right?

After dumping Dorsey, who would have ever thought the Chiefs could dramatically improve their roster with just 8 days before the season. These are termendous moves that provide depth and protection in areas this year but huge opportunity next season.

Mother****er, I'm crushing hard for Brett Veach.

Didn't see that coming. Damn!

I wouldn't wet yourself just yet. These guys need to actually develop a little

Yeah both Irving and Ragland are on cheap ass rookie deals, so we can actually find cap room. Shit we are addressing the cap and getting better at the same time.

****!

2.7 i think

$2M in cap savings. $1.5M in dead money.

The perfect amount of risk/reward if you ask me. 4/5 round picks are whatever.

Barney Fife (wannabe posers) have this problem for sure.

It's just more talented depth that what was on the roster before.

The Chiefs value versatility more than most teams and Erving has played multiple positions, as has Ehinger, Fulton, Morse and Schwartz.

Let's wait and see if these guys can play first.

BV has already crunched the numbers. Trust in the VEACH !!

People getting hung up on draft picks. Meanwhile we have the 6th youngest roster in the NFL and are only going to get younger once Tamba and Alex are out next year. Plus these guys have multiple years of control on cheap rookie contracts. Key is going to be whether they fit our scheme and coaching. Good news is we get to see whether Veach can actually evaluate players or not ASAP...

These guys are like Mahommes dude. Best if they don't have to start this year. 10x the talent of any backup we have at the position.

$2 million. $3.5 figure, $1.5 in dead cap. Truly a stupid signing.

With Erving's money added in, you'll end up saving a tick shy of $1 million but you'll also actually clear Reid outright (as opposed to having to eat the remaining $750k next season) so ultimately it's a win.

Erving really does look like a baby giraffe trying to play tackle sometimes, though. He's feet are just so damn bad - no kick step at all, no instincts and his balance is shit.

I still can't believe the Browns (and Direkshun) thought that guy was a 1st rounder.

It's Post June 1 so it's $775k in Dead Money and $2,787,500 in Cap Savings

I think Ragland is going to play this year. You're right though, we are building long term.

No worse than $5 million in Dead Money for Jaye Howard or $2.4 million for Jeremy Maclin.

Even dumber is $750k for Mauga, $609k for KeiVarae Russle and $250k for Ramik Wilson.

Barbre is actually a solid starter. Erving on the other hand...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF">@PFF</a>, Cam Erving was <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> worst off. player vs. NYJ. Also worst center in NFL (39.5). Equally bad in pass pro (45.4) &amp; run (45.6).</p>&mdash; Dawgs By Nature (@DawgsByNature) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsByNature/status/793084582933454848">October 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Erving shouldn&#39;t be in an NFL uniform right now. At this point, FG is too much to ask for. It&#39;s just mental right now... It&#39;s too much.</p>&mdash; LeCharles Bentley (@OLineWorld65) <a href="https://twitter.com/OLineWorld65/status/676113228984782848">December 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Meh.

Folks around here thought the Colts swindled the Browns for Richardson.

Ian Rapoport
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Chiefs have found talent thru the scrap heap. They were the lone team to claim LG Bryan Witzmann last year. Now starter. Same with Erving?
1:00 PM · Aug 30, 2017

Trust the coaching staff people. Witzmann has been a surprisingly solid G this preseason.

Why is there Bronco discussion in here again?

Because Chiefs

Maybe in Raglands case since he missed his rookie year on IR with his knee but Erving is in what his 3rd year? His rookie deal will be over before he is ready to play at a starting level.

There's a 5th year option on Erving, dummy

ROFL

Get kicked inside to guard and save your career, buddy.

Also, and I could be wrong here, but my understanding is that Cleveland moved to a more power blocking scheme in recent years, while we are more of a west coast zone blocking team. So different skillsets. It's part of why they let Schwartz walk last year. But Schwartz fits us. We'll see how Erving develops in this system...

Solid starting offensive linemen don't get cut (or traded for 7th rounders), which is what would've happened to him if you didn't trade for him.

You're truly a ****ing clueless homer.

Because they know KC is better. Knowmo is trying to pimp a 33 year old G who will likely start for them by saying he's better than the backup G we just acquired. LMAO

I don't see how it hurts to to check him out. We have shit for OL depth as it and a better staff to coach him.

That's a cop out.

It's the truth

Browns Trade Cam Erving To Chiefs
 

He can't play anywhere. He's absolutely awful. He was playing left guard when he let the defender cross his face to give Kessler a concussion. They've tried him everywhere.


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Lol wut?

We are doing more than checking him out. A 6th or 7th round pick would be checking him out. A 5th round pick means we expect him to contribute at some point, could be next year though.

Yoikes.

Dude would start at every OL position in Pile High.

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all still make the playoffs because their QB's are that good. You can't have Cam Erving and expect Smith to be effective.

Since 1996, the Chiefs have hit on four players, two of which did nothing in a KC uniform.

2016: Tyreek Hill
2008: Brandon Carr
2002: Scott Fujita
1996: Joe Horn

Stop obsessing over a 5th round pick.

Post June means that money cant be spent till next year right?